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BIG HEADLINE posted:Apparently that's just one of eight pages/sections. Here are links to the whole thing: https://www.heritageconcorde.com/flightdeck-detail We visited the Museum of Flight in Seattle, and looking into the Concorde flight deck sent me into a fugue state. Just so much… stuff…
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I guess they own the IP or whatever but Airbus taking credit for the Concorde is a lol
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 16:39 |
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moparacker posted:More LEGO Concorde crossposting. Pilot Of Unknown Size for scale It's just a big white tube you guys
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 16:57 |
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How big would the Concorde model be if it was the same scale as the little lego dudes? e: rough math suggests that it would be about 1.2 - 1.5 meters, since the minifigures (the technical term apparently) are just above 4 cm tall. Syncopated fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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Syncopated posted:How big would the Concorde model be if it was the same scale as the little lego dudes? Using 5'6" (1.676m) for the human height, 1.47m or 4'10" vessbot fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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You can't scale minifigs to be the same as humans
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 17:40 |
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Standard minifig scale is 1:40 or so, so about five feet long
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Cojawfee posted:You can't scale minifigs to be the same as humans True, they have a very squat build. Using a Middle Earth Dwarf height of 4 feet, the Concorde should be 2m or 6'7" long.
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FuturePastNow posted:I guess they own the IP or whatever but Airbus taking credit for the Concorde is a lol Concorde was made as a partnership between Sud aviation and British Aerospace Corporation. Sud was merged into Aerospatiale in 1970 and merged into EADS in 2000. BAC was reorganized as BAe and then merged into EADS at the same time. EADS renamed themselves Airbus in 2014. So yes, “Airbus” created Concorde and more importantly would’ve maintained it from 2000 until its retirement.
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 18:49 |
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hobbesmaster posted:So yes, “Airbus” created Concorde and more importantly would’ve maintained it from 2000 until its retirement. And least forgivably, they were instrumental in grounding it. (They turned off the support faucet.)
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 18:55 |
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Could scale it to the more human proportioned Technic Figures. Would increase the length of the model just slightly. 3.3m
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 19:01 |
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hobbesmaster posted:Concorde was made as a partnership between Sud aviation and British Aerospace Corporation. Sud was merged into Aerospatiale in 1970 and merged into EADS in 2000. BAC was reorganized as BAe and then merged into EADS at the same time. EADS renamed themselves Airbus in 2014. Just like the Boeing DC-3
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FuturePastNow posted:Just like the Boeing DC-3
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 19:20 |
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Also Boeing XB-70 Valkyrie
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Boeing AH-64
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My favorite plane is the Boeing P-51D.
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 19:48 |
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I've seen many of these as jokes, but I'm pretty sure I've actually seen the Space Shuttle on a billboard for real? And the F-15. Don't quite remember
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Psion posted:yeah, most of the sites have rewind Finally remembered to check this out, and it was a Cessna Skymaster. Which is what I kind of figured based on it being general-aviation-shaped and Phy fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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Dr_Strangelove posted:Boeing AH-64 The pedals on a 64 say Hughes in big letters right on the front.
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Lord Stimperor posted:Okay here goes my ramble. Those seem super interesting and something I’d love to putter with given the impossibility of an excess of time and money. Would these require different certification to operate vs your traditional US GA fleet?
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 23:07 |
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Sagebrush posted:It's just a big white tube you guys It's a series of tubes
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Tubes within tubes withon tubes.
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vessbot posted:I've seen many of these as jokes, but I'm pretty sure I've actually seen the Space Shuttle on a billboard for real? And the F-15. Don't quite remember Certainly for Boeing claiming ownership of the F-15 and F/A-18.
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Sagebrush posted:It's just a big white tube you guys Don't sign your posts
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the Boeing Flyer
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Phy posted:Finally remembered to check this out, and it was a Cessna Skymaster. Which is what I kind of figured based on it being general-aviation-shaped and There was a long time news radio traffic reporter in Toronto that used a Cessna Skymaster. “And now to Darryl Dahmer in Skymaster One”. ”The Toronto Star” posted:Every weekday morning, starting at 6:30 a.m., Dahmer takes off from Buttonville airport in his Cessna Skymaster. Weather permitting; he’s in the sky for the morning and afternoon rush, usually for about five hours a day, but sometimes longer, depending on the traffic. E: I just remembered his mid air collision. While he was circling an incident on the highway a Cessna 172 being flown by a student pilot clipped his tail. Both planes landed safely. https://www.tsb-bst.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2000/a00o0057/a00o0057.html quote:Records indicate that the Cessna 337 was also certified, equipped, and maintained in accordance with existing regulations and approved procedures. It sustained substantial damage to the left vertical tail and rudder. The aft portion of the upper half of the vertical tail was torn off along with the upper half of the rudder. The forward portion of the upper half of the vertical tail was bent inwards and displayed an imprint of the Cessna 172 nosewheel tire. The lower portion of the vertical tail and rudder were slightly deformed. Fornax Disaster fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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Xenoborg posted:Certainly for Boeing claiming ownership of the F-15 and F/A-18. Boeing is actually producing F-15s and F-18s right now though. For those that don’t know the joke, the DC-3 type certificate is held by “The Boeing Company” https://registry.faa.gov/TypeRatings/ Concorde is actually listed under BAC, but I guess it’s moot if the certificate of a plane that isn’t flying is held by a defunct company. Airbus’s entries are a bit of mess with the FAA, possibly because of the way the company was created?
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Reject A-10, embrace OV-10
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shame on an IGA posted:Reject A-10, embrace OV-10 y e s The Bronco seems like it would be a fun and useful plane
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MrYenko posted:And least forgivably, they were instrumental in grounding it. That didn't sound right to me so I searched for some history. "Who killed the Concorde" doesn't seem to be as simple as that. It was a gas guzzler relative to subsonic jets, and even aside from fuel costs the tiny fleet (16 total ever in passenger service), low dispatch rate, and lack of any significant maintenance or training commonality with the rest of AF's and BA's fleets made them very expensive to operate. Air France supposedly always ate a loss, operating them basically for national prestige purposes. BA also did that for a long time, but claimed that eventually they turned it into a mildly profitable operation by jacking ticket prices to soak rich Americans who wanted to fly Concorde as a status symbol. But then the July 2000 Air France 4590 crash happened, followed by 9/11/01. The fleet was grounded for over a year, and passenger numbers didn't recover afterwards. AF and BA were already looking at a relatively short future - independent of the AF crash, BA had a big scare with finding and fixing cracks in wing spars, and both were on the edge of needing to go beyond the original airframe life estimates. It seems likely that all involved - AF, BA, and Airbus - reconsidered whether it made sense to continue, and decided that it did not, regardless of any public finger pointing to save face by saying "those other guys shut down Concorde, not us". It was its time. It was undeniably a very cool airplane, but it was also a dinosaur from a very different era.
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BobHoward posted:It was its time. It was undeniably a very cool airplane, but it was also a dinosaur from a very different era. This is largely my feelings on it as well. I never got to fly on Concorde (too young, family too poor) but it was a "one day perhaps I'll be able to treat myself to a trip" sort of dream (preferably one of those package deals where you went one way on Concorde and the other way on the QE2). We'd sometimes see Concorde fly overhead where we lived in southern England (presumably if the traffic and weather conditions sent it out an unusual way), I saw one a couple of times at airshows/fly pasts and saw them on the ground at Heathrow a few times. It was sad day when they retired them. It was "undeniably a very cool airplane". A fascinating piece of engineering and a remarkable all-round achievement - a plane that could fly faster than a rifle bullet and high enough to get in the way of SR-71s, all while its passengers wore lounge suits and drank champagne. And then it could land, turn around and do it again. I know there's been a few people, including some at NASA, who have rated Concorde as a greater technical enterprise than the Apollo programme on that basis. But some people really took Concorde's retirement to heart. I remember internet posts, and even some newspaper OpEds, saying that it was a watershed in human history and a sign of our decline as a species - that we used to be able to go across the Atlantic at Mach 2.0 and now we couldn't. Lots of purple prose about how this was the first time in the history of transport that a machine had been replaced by a slower successor (definitely not true!). Concorde was always intended for - and made whatever money it made by carrying- people for whom time was money. The business/media/entertainment jetset who needed to swing between London, Paris and New York with as little 'lost time' in transit as possible. But even in the 2000s they could do much of their business on the internet. Private jets offered the flexibility, prestige and personal service that Concorde sold on. And they could cross the Atlantic in a subsonic airliner with a more spacious and comfortable cabin, better entertainment and wifi so they could still work on the move. And that's without touching on the environment stuff - the high fuel consumption, the sonic booms, the spewing of exhaust gases into the high atmosphere etc. that very much speak of attitudes and awareness in the 1960s but are not really in step with the 21st century (either the economic practicalities or the social factors).
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What if they did a supersonic 9/11
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Is there a breakdown of directional demand for Concorde services? At least to my all significant travel happening in the 2000s sense, my naive thoughts are that there'd be a differential in eastbound v. westbound demand. I know that there weren't lie flat business seats back then, but an NYC-LON or NYC-PAR flight, even leaving at 9am, arrives too late to salvage the business day, so the choice is to still to travel the day before and spend the night in a hotel vs on a plane. However, the use case seems quite a bit clearer westbound, and so I'd expect higher demand. Am I just thinking about this in the wrong way for the 80s/90s context, or is there data to bear it out?
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Jean-Paul Shartre posted:Is there a breakdown of directional demand for Concorde services? At least to my all significant travel happening in the 2000s sense, my naive thoughts are that there'd be a differential in eastbound v. westbound demand. I know that there weren't lie flat business seats back then, but an NYC-LON or NYC-PAR flight, even leaving at 9am, arrives too late to salvage the business day, so the choice is to still to travel the day before and spend the night in a hotel vs on a plane. However, the use case seems quite a bit clearer westbound, and so I'd expect higher demand. Am I just thinking about this in the wrong way for the 80s/90s context, or is there data to bear it out? It's an interesting thought. A quick Google turned up lots of statements backing up what you say, but no actual numbers: https://www.matthewsattler.com/p/on-the-market-for-an-supersonic-airliner quote:Concorde's load factor was imbalanced between eastbound and westbound transatlantic trips. Westbound trips recorded a higher load factor because in local time, Concorde arrived before it departed. Thus Concorde actually lengthened the usable day when flying westbound.
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When did layflats first become a common thing? I could imagine taking Concorde to JFK and a roomy 747 and a layflat on the way back to Europe. Otherwise, I'd still want to take the concorde back to get home 2x as fast.
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slidebite posted:When did layflats first become a common thing? IIRC eastbound BA commonly oversold first/business and offered “free upgrades” to Concorde for that reason.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjiqdSwMxT8
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Xenoborg posted:Certainly for Boeing claiming ownership of the F-15 and F/A-18. Pretty sure Boeing has built more of them than McD did. Edit: This is meant as an observation, not a correction or something.
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One of my biggest regrets is that back when organized "travel hacking" just was getting started, there was a Starwood promo that would've made a BA Concorde round trip flight (from Dulles) ~$1300 (in late 90s money). It was risky, though - you had to buy points and then *pray* you could find a date range that wasn't blacked/sold out. I *begged* my mother (I was ~16-17 at the time so *I* didn't have the discretionary income to swing it even though I did still have a valid passport) to consider it but the window closed and I lost my chance.
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I had an orthodontist who told me that Concorde was going to be at Oshkosh around 2002-ish giving rides for $200. I was both an idiot teenager and obsessed enough to ask my parents but it was a hard no for several reasons. I still wonder if any of that was true but I have a feeling he wasn't giving me the whole story.
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