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Cream-of-Plenty posted:On PC my install currently, after all of the patches, is 11.4 GB total. Not sure if that helps answer the question but between the original install (whose size I can’t recall), the 6-7 GB patch this morning and the 5-6 GB patch this afternoon, it doesn’t look like the patches purely add to the overall file size. That's what I assumed. Thanks!
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Assepoester posted:Looks like Gamebillet is still selling the keys for the old $5 price https://www.gamebillet.com/quake-ii-z Was talking about Overkill :V
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TheScott2K posted:y'all talked all that poo poo about Quake 2 earlier this week Not me, I have always been vocal about how I like Quake 2. I am feeling a little vindicated because the remaster is making people look past IMO really minor things like the lack of muzzle flashes and the machine gun recoil and see that there was actually something good going on with the game.
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One day Nightdive will remaster Daikatana and after 25 years everyone will finally be Romero's bitch.
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Aug 11, 2023 23:03
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I think there's a lot to like about it and it was my first online/deathmatch game and I was very into that for a few years, so it'll always have a place in my heart. That said, civvie was right about it being kind of homogenous without any highs or lows. It's almost always good but doesn't have any real standout moments. edit I understand the inventory system and why that was considered an upgrade but I think placing powerups in a strategic location when it's going to be useful and having it kick in right away is going to be more fun than just scattering them around and trusting the player to know "ah, this may be a big fight, I should use quad damage," especially when there aren't really any big rampage moments. Baron von Eevl fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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Aug 11, 2023 23:05
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Quake 2 is cool because it’s a maximalisation of Carmack’s old “story in a video game is like story in a porno movie” adage. It’s a “video game a guy plays in a TV show” type FPS. It is best enjoyed by opening the server browser and just randomly joining a mission/deathmatch in progress and then mindlessly blasting until you get bored of hearing the chaingun sound and HUP. No need to think harder than that. Welcome to the machine.
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Aug 11, 2023 23:08
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I will say the Quake 2 remaster has the best loving explosions I've seen in forever. More games need the fluffy cloud explosion aesthetic.
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I couldn’t decide between the new ROTT and Quake II, so I got them both. 
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Hasturtium posted:I couldn’t decide between the new ROTT and Quake II, so I got them both. 
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Cat Machine posted:Quake 2 is cool because it’s a maximalisation of Carmack’s old “story in a video game is like story in a porno movie” adage. It’s a “video game a guy plays in a TV show” type FPS. It is best enjoyed by opening the server browser and just randomly joining a mission/deathmatch in progress and then mindlessly blasting until you get bored of hearing the chaingun sound and HUP. No need to think harder than that. Welcome to the machine. This is a bizarre take because the criticism I feel like I've seen a lot is that Quake 2 is boring because it was so bound by its setting and story which limited how wild the enemies and levels could be, and so it was too samey all the way through. The ultimate expression of Carmack's philosophy would just have the excuse-story of "you are fight man. you look for weapons and fight things. you travel the dimensions in search of stronger foes to fight" and it would just have whatever monsters and weapons and levels the crew felt like making on any given day. It probably wouldn't be bad but it wouldn't be Quake 2. Quake 2 had a several page story in the manual which I think is way beyond the sort of "excuse story" a porno has
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Honestly even having the game be 80% techbase could still be a cool game. If you're taking the premise that the cosmic horrors from the first game came through the slipgate that also brought the Strogg you could do some cool stuff where partway through Earth's counteroffensive the same cosmic horrors spill through and you get stuck in the middle between them and the Strogg. You could then have some cool bits in the last third where you go through the slipgates and end up in these other horrifying realms from q1. Fighting through the corpse of Shub-Niggurath to bring something back to take on Makron or something.
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I also think the sci-fi setting forced some changes like nailgun -> machine gun, which is just not as interesting, both conceptually and mechanically. The nailguns firing 3d nails that have travel time are just a superior game weapon to the hitscan mgs. The laser gun sort of does the nailgun thing, but the ammo is a lot scarcer and I feel like I need to save energy for the shield, so I end up never firing it. The super shotgun is pretty ok where it is, but I think the pump shotgun needs to fire faster.
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BattleMaster posted:This is a bizarre take because the criticism I feel like I've seen a lot is that Quake 2 is boring because it was so bound by its setting and story which limited how wild the enemies and levels could be, and so it was too samey all the way through. I don't really see how Quake2 was any more limited with it's enemy design then Doom, both in terms of demons vs. alien-machine hybrids, and the actual rosters, to a degree. The levels I agree a bit more on.
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Dramicus posted:One day Nightdive will remaster Daikatana and after 25 years everyone will finally be Romero's bitch. Still holding out for a Daikatana reboot. A remaster would also be pretty cool, ngl.
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Quake 2 feels like the halfway point between the weird and fantastical early FPS games like Quake and the modern military shooter, and yeah the goth industrial techbase environments get exceedingly samey midway through, but it still works well as a fast shooter (no reloading!) that vibes well with the extremely metal environments and great music.Mordja posted:Was talking about Overkill :V Baron von Eevl posted:Honestly even having the game be 80% techbase could still be a cool game. If you're taking the premise that the cosmic horrors from the first game came through the slipgate that also brought the Strogg you could do some cool stuff where partway through Earth's counteroffensive the same cosmic horrors spill through and you get stuck in the middle between them and the Strogg. You could then have some cool bits in the last third where you go through the slipgates and end up in these other horrifying realms from q1. Fighting through the corpse of Shub-Niggurath to bring something back to take on Makron or something. Assepoester fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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Oxyclean posted:I don't really see how Quake2 was any more limited with it's enemy design then Doom, both in terms of demons vs. alien-machine hybrids, and the actual rosters, to a degree. The levels I agree a bit more on. Well doom had demons, of which there are several different "species" that all look drastically different and then they slapped some cybernetic stuff on the demons. Quake 2 has mostly different kinds of dudes with cybernetic stuff slapped on them. There's a skinny guy with a gun arm, and a buff guy with a gun arm. And then there's a buff guy with two gun arms. Then theres a buff guy with sword arms. Then there's a flying guy with no arms. Etc. Edit: The biggest sin is the amount of hitscan enemies. It was also a problem in Doom, most people despised levels with too many gunners. Quake 2 is like 60% hitscan all the way through, which leads to lots of corner peak-a-boo instead of arena sprinting and dodging. Dramicus fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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Quake 2 is fun in the way that the original Super Mario Bros is fun. Occasionally you just want to have the most distilled unelaborated take on the genre that you can possibly achieve and for that, it's good. The remaster put just enough shine on it to keep me interested for a few hours. I still think it's a very poor followup to Quake 1.
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I got further into quake 2 and I'm noticing the areas are a lot brighter than they were originally, like they took lessons from Quake 2 RTX and made everything during the day. The brightness option is on the lowest setting. Also quake 4 is the worst quake. 2 is better than it. I prefer the original quake atmosphere over oorah space marines.
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Oxyclean posted:I don't really see how Quake2 was any more limited with it's enemy design then Doom, both in terms of demons vs. alien-machine hybrids, and the actual rosters, to a degree. The levels I agree a bit more on. I don't agree that the game is TOO samey but I kind of wish they leaned more into the body horror, you know?
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BattleMaster posted:I don't agree that the game is TOO samey but I kind of wish they leaned more into the body horror, you know? I just recently got through the level with the human processing machines or whatever and it ended up being more comical than I remembered. Lots of cartoonish conveyor belts with giant comical pistons squishing dudes into gibs.
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Volte posted:I still think it's a very poor followup to Quake 1. I spent my entire original playthrough waiting for Shub-Niggurath to appear on Stroggos - surely they wouldn't release a sequel that had no relationship to the original AT ALL?
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Someone mentioned earlier that they wanted a Q3 remaster with a new singleplayer campaign and I can't stop thinking about it. Who were these guys Sarge is fighting in the intro video? 
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HolyKrap posted:Someone mentioned earlier that they wanted a Q3 remaster with a new singleplayer campaign and I can't stop thinking about it. Security at future Chili's
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Quake II was supposed to launch a new IP but eventually they just said 'gently caress it, it's Quake II' The top contender for the name was 'Wor' but there was already a game called Wizards of Wor. Seems like something could have been worked out but maybe it would have been too expensive since they were minor celebrities already.
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The remaster is very good and impressive, but Quake 2 is still Quake 2 and I got bored halfway through the prison level. They should add a toggle to prevent the music from turning off after you complete the objectives in a map. Heading back to the exit with no music just really makes everything seem even duller than it already does, even when new spawns jump out to fight you.
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HolyKrap posted:Someone mentioned earlier that they wanted a Q3 remaster with a new singleplayer campaign and I can't stop thinking about it. I always heard they were supposed to be Strogg but I have a hard time seeing it. They sound the part but don't look it Plus they're carrying weapons! Strogg don't carry weapons edit: I mean the player Strogg in Quake Wars and the Tactical Strogg in Quake 4 carried guns, but those came way after BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Quake 2 = Rage 0? My feelings on Quake II are mixed, but tying it to Rage feels mean. Sorry, I genuinely loathe Rage.
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i never played quake 2 and only sorta - mostly enjoyed 1. should i get 2.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Quake 2 = Rage 0? I enjoyed both, but please elaborate.
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I'm not saying anyone has to like Quake 2 or anything but Rupert Buttermilk slagging on it is essentially just their gimmick at this point, so ignore them
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An Actual Princess posted:i never played quake 2 and only sorta - mostly enjoyed 1. should i get 2. Wait til this Christmas when it's like 3 bucks
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This could just be me mis-remembering but it also seems that Q2 is the genesis of monster closets, at least for id. It's not quite at Doom 3 levels, but they are there and if they were in Q1, there weren't blatant enough for me to notice. They are pretty blatant here with item ambushes and the like.
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doom has monster closets
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site posted:doom has monster closets Well maybe Q2 is the genesis of annoying monster closets, because I don't remember getting pissed off at Doom or Q1. Doom 3 is the worst though. Just obnoxious with the closets. Dramicus fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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My mom and uncles would always tell me about how, as kids, my grandfather would hide in their closets--often elaborately disguised as silver screen monsters--and would wait until they started to fall asleep before popping out and scaring the poo poo out of them. My grandfather is the monster closet origin story.
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Quake II is a perfectly fine game and indeed most studios would kill to have a game that good, it just lacks some of the creative spark that makes the classic Doom games or the original Quake so iconic, particularly when a lot of games in the 15 years following Quake II would end up borrowing so much from it in terms of both gameplay and aesthetics(for example there is a lot of Quake II DNA in the Gears of War series)
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I dunno if brown and orange is a DNA.
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Most of the Gears characters have that Bitterman, vaguely hunched over look to em.
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