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So you're saying, "when there's smoke, people fire [at it]"? edit: what a snipe. On last page: Kerch bridge on
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I am hoping for the best option: Russia was moving smoke generators across the bridge and the Ukrainians blew them up.
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Aug 12, 2023 22:18
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VictualSquid posted:I am hoping for the best option: smoke generators: working
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Aug 12, 2023 22:21
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it's not smoke, it's steam
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Aug 12, 2023 22:26
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Tunicate posted:it's not smoke, it's steam smoked ham
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Aug 12, 2023 22:32
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Russia just trying to deny Ukraine the glory and honor of destroying a bridge.
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Aug 12, 2023 22:33
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The white smoke indicates the Russians have chosen a new general, after the last one got smoked by HIMARS.
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Aug 12, 2023 22:39
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in a well actually posted:No no, the smoke is just a side effect of the heat sources set up to confuse IR seekers. Ah yes the well known IR source: stationary bridge.
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Aug 12, 2023 22:51
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If you can't see the bridge, you can't tell if it's destroyed, bing bong so simple.
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Aug 12, 2023 23:09
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Do you think Ukraine is doing these strikes on the bridge during the daylight on purpose for the extra effect of visual proof for people standing on the beach? Seems like most of these strikes are taking place during the day, or maybe it's just the ones I'm remembering.
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Aug 12, 2023 23:28
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Terrifying Effigies posted:If you can't see the bridge, you can't tell if it's destroyed, bing bong so simple. Also, the smoke gives them a chance to reposition the bridge. Just wait until they move it away from the mainland, the Ukrainians wouldn't dare attack it then
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Aug 12, 2023 23:35
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It does.make it harder to spot vehicles. Concealment is a necessity on the battlefield.
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Aug 12, 2023 23:38
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The Door Frame posted:Also, the smoke gives them a chance to reposition the bridge. Just wait until they move it away from the mainland, the Ukrainians wouldn't dare attack it then Add a sick jump to it for Russian drivers to feel something. If it’s not connected to the mainland, it’s not a bridge, therefore not worth attacking. But with sick jump ramps? Russian as gently caress
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Aug 12, 2023 23:55
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Smoke screens for stationary targets were a thing in WW2. I don't have any idea if it's what's happening in these photos, but it's not an absurd idea out of hand.
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Aug 13, 2023 00:03
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Madurai posted:Smoke screens for stationary targets were a thing in WW2. I don't have any idea if it's what's happening in these photos, but it's not an absurd idea out of hand. WWII munitions were aimed differently and unguided.
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Aug 13, 2023 00:05
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Madurai posted:Smoke screens for stationary targets were a thing in WW2. I don't have any idea if it's what's happening in these photos, but it's not an absurd idea out of hand. well yeah but precision guided munitions were not* a thing in WW2. it's not like most of Ukraine's weapons that can be used against the bridge are necessarily visually guided, marine drones notwithstanding and maybe not even then. Smokescreens aren't guaranteed to be silly but it probably is here. * yeah I know there were some experimentals right at the end
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Aug 13, 2023 00:06
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Flikken posted:WWII munitions were aimed differently and unguided. The remote-controlled explosive boats used in the last attack are apparently visually guided. In theory a dense and large enough smokescreen could be effective.
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Aug 13, 2023 00:16
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Couldn't you drive the boat into the smokescreen, slow down, and scan for a piling? I guess that gives Russia more time to destroy the nautical drone, but on the other hand, once you find two pilings, you have a pretty good idea where to blow up.
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Aug 13, 2023 00:20
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Anything TV guided or semiactive laser homing won't like smoke either.* Observers counting vehicle traffic through binocs won't like it either. * for the correct kinds of smoke.
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Aug 13, 2023 00:20
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The smoke screens are probably covering the air defense asets.
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Aug 13, 2023 00:23
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A.o.D. posted:Ah yes the well known IR source: stationary bridge. You have gps jammers, radar can be jammed, inertial guidance is expensive and finicky, but good luck cooling down a sun-heated mass of concrete above a cold sea. Popping flares is just anticipating the other side’s treacherous next moves.
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Aug 13, 2023 00:36
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with how much the bridge is worth, both in literal and strategic and geopolitical terms, there's almost no type of defense that isn't worth the cost, even if it has a fairly low chance of working
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Aug 13, 2023 00:37
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The smoke is something they've set up and tested both on the bridge and in sevastopol several times. Presumably it's to throw off Storm Shadow which uses imaging infrared for target recognition and terminal guidance. If Ukraine are throwing a couple of S200s towards the bridge it may be as much to determine where AD and the smoke generators are located as anything else
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Aug 13, 2023 02:26
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Has anyone considered the bridge is just really stressed and started smoking to cope?
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The Door Frame posted:Also, the smoke gives them a chance to reposition the bridge. Just wait until they move it away from the mainland, the Ukrainians wouldn't dare attack it then The bridge knows where it is, because it knows where it isn't
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Aug 13, 2023 02:33
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GD_American posted:The bridge knows where it is, because it knows where it isn't everyone knows where the bridge is, because it has been fitted with an adapted version of the Kuznetsov's smoke beacon ADF system
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Aug 13, 2023 03:56
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Nessus posted:Couldn't you drive the boat into the smokescreen, slow down, and scan for a piling? I guess that gives Russia more time to destroy the nautical drone, but on the other hand, once you find two pilings, you have a pretty good idea where to blow up. This gives the adversary time to locate and neutralize the surface munition.
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Aug 13, 2023 04:19
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Wasabi the J posted:This gives the adversary time to locate and neutralize the surface munition.
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Aug 13, 2023 04:22
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Nessus posted:I'm imagining an automatic chaingun of some kind tracking a naval drone as it weaves around and buzzsawing through the bridge while staying on target. The bridge turns to the russians on it "I'm afraid they got ush shon"
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Aug 13, 2023 04:41
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Nessus posted:I'm imagining an automatic chaingun of some kind tracking a naval drone as it weaves around and buzzsawing through the bridge while staying on target. The drone just circles the bridge pillars as fast as it can and the Russian ship accidentally takes out the bridge trying to shoot it down
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Aug 13, 2023 04:41
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The assistant bridgekeeper turns to the head bridgekeeper and says "you arrogant rear end. You've killed us"
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Aug 13, 2023 04:58
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bulletsponge13 posted:Has anyone considered the bridge is just really stressed and started smoking to cope? The bridge just can't catch a break. Smoking is the leading cause of explosions in Crimea and Russia, and it has first-hand, concrete evidence that explosions cause stress and more smoking. It's a Kerch-22, really.
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Aug 13, 2023 08:09
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Mzuri posted:It's a Kerch-22, really. New thread title. 
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Aug 13, 2023 08:24
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Mzuri posted:It's a Kerch-22, really. 
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Mzuri posted:It's a Kerch-22, really.  
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Aug 13, 2023 09:55
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Stravag posted:The bridge turns to the russians on it "I'm afraid they got ush shon" Heh
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Mzuri posted:
 
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Aug 13, 2023 14:14
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There's a Perun/Anders Puck crossover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rBlVnc_DEw
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Aug 13, 2023 14:41
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Relatively new article detailing the Battle of Hostomel. https://warontherocks.com/2023/08/the-battle-of-hostomel-airport-a-key-moment-in-russias-defeat-in-kyiv/
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https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1690782569665818624quote:Russia: 1,330 miles away from Moscow (2,140 km), chyron on the news company SIA-PRESS Center building in Sugrut: "Putin is huylo and a thief, 100 rubles for a dollar you're loving crazy."
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