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The whole point of money is to turn it into something else enjoyable.
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No one is contesting that. Here's the actual thing everybody is debating just so everyone is on the same page and we don't just keep repeating obvious statements: "Gambling is the least BWM entertainment there is" KingSlime fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Aug 13, 2023 |
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Aug 13, 2023 18:18
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tumblr hype man posted:The whole point of money is to turn it into something else enjoyable. karl marx says: lol
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Aug 13, 2023 18:18
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KingSlime posted:What's the figures/dollars spent for this? I don't know much about swiftie expenses but this premise seems made up Here's some outrage bait: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/taylor-swifts-los-angeles-concerts-boosted-the-local-economy-by-320-million-e2b7823b quote:But over the course of four days, Akhtar, 47, did just that: She estimates her family spent about $35,000 on luxury accommodations, meals at some of the city’s hottest restaurants and transportation within the area — and that figure doesn’t even include a five-figure shopping splurge. In short, her Taylor trip became an L.A. vacation done to the max. 47 year old woman spent about $60,000 in total on her trip to LA to see Taylor Swift, article frames this as a perfectly normal weekend.
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Aug 13, 2023 18:22
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Every hobby that is not exactly my hobby is a waste of money.
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Aug 13, 2023 18:23
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Residency Evil posted:Every hobby that is not exactly my hobby is a waste of money. I think that going for a walk / run is probably the only hobby that seems like it couldn't be bad with money, but people turn that into flying all over the US to run marathons.
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Aug 13, 2023 18:25
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Twerk from Home posted:I think that going for a walk / run is probably the only hobby that seems like it couldn't be bad with money, but people turn that into flying all over the US to run marathons. Wasn't that zuarg's hobby?
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Aug 13, 2023 18:26
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Twerk from Home posted:Here's some outrage bait: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/taylor-swifts-los-angeles-concerts-boosted-the-local-economy-by-320-million-e2b7823b Gawd drat now this is a read That said it's worth noting that if someone is using unrelated degenerate behavior as a frame of reference for justifying how totally not bad your hobby is, pretty sure that's a textbook marker of addiction. (Fwiw crazy swiftie fan's actions wouldn't be "degenerate" if it's something they can afford, like with gambling as it's no longer bwm or hurting them etc) KingSlime fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Aug 13, 2023 |
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Aug 13, 2023 18:26
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Last time I was in Macau was with extended family from the US and Hong Kong. My American auntie was looking at a hotel "spa" menu and asked the attendant "what's this massage?" And he said "massage for back". "What's this one?" "Massage for neck" "What's this one?" "Uh... massage for men only..." She turned red and walked away, and a good laugh was had by all.
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Aug 13, 2023 18:37
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KingSlime posted:No one is contesting that. Here's the actual thing everybody is debating just so everyone is on the same page and we don't just keep repeating obvious statements: Yeah that was hyperbole to point out the double standard used for gambling. Obviously gambling addiction is a problem, as is addiction to gacha games, or filling seven storage units with funko pops on a Burger King salary, or spending 150 hours a week raiding in WoW. Nobody looks at the guy that has two funko pops on his desk like "AHA, did you know those are a waste of money??" though, whereas all the engineers pop out of the woodwork to mock the guy that buys one lottery ticket or goes to the casino with $100 once a year. "It's a negative EV proposition, those people are IDIOTS." Yeah no poo poo, all entertainment is a negative EV proposition.
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Aug 13, 2023 18:38
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I wasn't saying "turn money into less money" meaning that you're spending money. I meant that you put money in the system, and receive less money from the system as your payout. With Eve online and other video games you put money in the system and get ~a thing~ out of it. Same as movies, booze, or most other products and services that goons love to compare it to. Every transaction we do gives us the experience of spending money, but gambling gives you the experience of only spending money. It's just gamified, slower, and often conflated with games of chance. You can play Poker, Black Jack, or whatever other casino game you want without gambling and if you're not a gambling addict it's just as much fun.
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Aug 13, 2023 18:42
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Dillbag posted:Last time I was in Macau was with extended family from the US and Hong Kong. My American auntie was looking at a hotel "spa" menu and asked the attendant "what's this massage?" And he said "massage for back". thats basically the remaining 10% of macaus economy, "massages"
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Aug 13, 2023 18:47
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Eh I'd agree you get socialization and dopamine and travel out of gambling but I know too many degenerates to have any respect for the hobby personally. I'm also seein gambling ads basically everywhere being pushed by every industry which is pretty poo poo on top of all our other predatory problems. I can't agree with the notion that gambling isn't that BWM cuz that just sounds like copium. But yes it is a valid hobby that some folks can enjoy responsibly
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Aug 13, 2023 18:47
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A lot of people are bad/stupid with it and end up losing track of how much they've spent and blowing more than they can afford, getting way too confident in their dumb guesses and betting too much on a "sure thing", putting in more to try and win back their losses, or just plain getting addicted. For people who treat it responsibly, stick to a budget etc it can be a fine pastime. But the whole industry is built around sucking the lifeblood out of people who think they can do that but actually can't.
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Aug 13, 2023 19:00
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Where's Leon with something from the strategic stockpile of denied clearance cases, when you really need him?
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Aug 13, 2023 19:04
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Twerk from Home posted:I think that going for a walk / run is probably the only hobby that seems like it couldn't be bad with money Regular exercise will probably add years to your life, sounds pretty expensive to me
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Aug 13, 2023 19:34
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SpartanIvy posted:I wasn't saying "turn money into less money" meaning that you're spending money. I meant that you put money in the system, and receive less money from the system as your payout. With Eve online and other video games you put money in the system and get ~a thing~ out of it. Same as movies, booze, or most other products and services that goons love to compare it to. You've clearly never gambled before. Huge dopamine and adrenaline hits. You absolutely get something out of it other than less money back; it's the part of it that's addictive.
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Aug 13, 2023 21:46
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leper khan posted:You've clearly never gambled before. Huge dopamine and adrenaline hits. You absolutely get something out of it other than less money back; it's the part of it that's addictive. That's the part that people aren't focusing on. You get positive utility from gambling in the same way you get positive utility from seeing bigger numbers pop up on the screen in Diablo. Each individual's utility function is going to bend in different ways, so on an individual basis these activities have vastly different rewards. In the aggregate, though, they're probably much closer. If the utility from an activity is functionally the same, then the activity that produces the smallest expense for that utility is the best proposition money wise. Gambling has pretty close to even EV money wise, so the positive utility per dollar spent is at a maximum compared to any activity that has an expense that produces comparable utility. That was the whole point that Cerekk was making.
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Aug 13, 2023 21:59
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leper khan posted:You've clearly never gambled before. Huge dopamine and adrenaline hits. You absolutely get something out of it other than less money back; it's the part of it that's addictive. gambling addicts in studies even get the dopamine hit when they lose so it's not even about winning
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Aug 13, 2023 22:00
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Cards? Dice? That’s baby stuff. I trust farts
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Aug 13, 2023 22:02
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Isn’t gambling all over streaming sites as well? Watching streamers gamble/open loot boxes for hours has to be just fantastic for kid’s brains.
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Aug 13, 2023 22:05
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some goddamn fuckers on this thread who dont know why casinos have huge stocks of spare chairs
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Aug 13, 2023 22:06
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Yes and it's apparently a very lucrative customer acquisition tool for the casinos Amazon banned slot-machine streams on twitch.tv so some gambling conglomerate started up their own competitor called Kick and started paying some of the biggest twitch streamers to move over to it the main benefit to them is the ability to eventually pay huge streamers to gamble on stream (like they used to do on twitch) and trigger some viewer's latent addiction
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Aug 13, 2023 22:07
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The online claw machines are my favorite. If you win they mail you your lovely stuffed animal!
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Aug 13, 2023 22:11
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Speaking of gambling, here's a thirty minute jon bois video about poker that's pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDt90EyZnWA
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Aug 13, 2023 22:12
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Twerk from Home posted:I think that going for a walk / run is probably the only hobby that seems like it couldn't be bad with money, but people turn that into flying all over the US to run marathons. You can kind of turn running into an expensive thing, if you'd like. On the one hand you can literally find a 13.1 mile long path and run it barefoot out and back, or you could jet to the six worldwide majors in the priciest sneakers with all sorts of performance gear... Anyway I'm just glad sports betting wasn't this easy to do now as when I was in my twenties. I'd be broke.
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Aug 13, 2023 22:51
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Agronox posted:You can kind of turn running into an expensive thing, if you'd like. On the one hand you can literally find a 13.1 mile long path and run it barefoot out and back, or you could jet to the six worldwide majors in the priciest sneakers with all sorts of performance gear... Lol if you weren't broke in your 20s because your employers kept going under
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It’s fairly hard to spend a lot of money on distance running beyond just taking an expensive vacation and going on a run in the middle. You eat a lot, but it’s mostly carbs. You blow through shoes at a somewhat alarming rate, but even fairly nice running shoes aren’t all that expensive. Most long trails are in public parks, and you get used to running on the side of the road anyway. I guess the fees do add up if you run a lot of organized races. And ultramarathons are expensive because you need a support team, though usually you rope a friend/spouse into it. Mostly, distance running is expensive as a status: to become a dedicated distance runner, you have to have the free time to run 20-30 miles (30-50km) a week, which just implies a shitload of stuff about the rest of your lifestyle.
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Aug 14, 2023 01:22
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rjmccall posted:you have to have the free time to run 20-30 miles (30-50km) a week, which just implies a shitload of stuff about the rest of your lifestyle. My dad would do 10 miles every drat day, and 26.2 on Sundays. Was a lil ridiculous. He was fit as gently caress tho.
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Aug 14, 2023 01:33
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I view the lottery as a fundamentally different form of gambling than, say, blackjack, poker, whatever. The latter I agree is a "valid" form of entertainment as you are exchanging money to able to pass the time in a way that you enjoy. On the other hand, lottery tickets do not really pass the time. You simply buy your ticket(s) and go. It's also the purest form of gambling where you literally cannot do anything but be subject to the odds, whereas in blackjack, poker, or even slots as some people would argue, you can try to (and in some cases obviously can) find an advantage or at least shave off the odds against you. But at the end of the day, it's still about how much TIME your gambling money buys you. With the lottery, it's virtually none, especially compared to how much money people who actively play the lottery tend to spend on tickets.
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Aug 14, 2023 01:39
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Lottery tickets sell hope for $5/wk instead of excitement. It's a different high.
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Aug 14, 2023 01:56
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$5 for a daydream isn’t too bad. I’ll take $15 of scratch offs as a Christmas/birthday gift over any miscellaneous trinket or gadget.
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Aug 14, 2023 02:21
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Jenkl posted:Lottery tickets sell hope for $5/wk instead of excitement. It's a different high. drat that’s depressing. I always thought of it as mental masturbation. I usually buy a ticket when the jackpot is huge. I’ve known some pretty wide range of gamblers in my life and I’m glad I don’t have that bug. I know people that have paid college tuitions from gambling and also known people that left town for a while cause the bookie was looking for them. I went to Vegas many moons ago and lost $50 in the span of 10 minutes. I never gambled again.
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Aug 14, 2023 02:47
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rjmccall posted:Mostly, distance running is expensive as a status: to become a dedicated distance runner, you have to have the free time to run 20-30 miles (30-50km) a week, which just implies a shitload of stuff about the rest of your lifestyle. I guess, although back when I was marathon running/training I would run an hour before work M-F, long run on the weekend. Running is incredibly efficient time wise.
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Yeaaah running 20 miles a week is like two to three normal sized exercise sessions spread over your entire week which everyone should definitely be doing (not running specifically whatever floats ur boat). I spend way more time posting bullshit on here and I'm a distance runner People will spend hours scrolling looking at stupid poo poo but act like 60 mins of effort every other day is some sort of "privilege" KingSlime fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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Aug 14, 2023 03:55
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I mean, I have also lived that life of going to the gym every workday and doing a long run on weekends. It was a serious time commitment that left me with a lot less time and energy for other things in my life. It is hard to pull off if you have a lot of other responsibilities besides a fairly comfortable job.
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Aug 14, 2023 04:11
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:gambling addicts in studies even get the dopamine hit when they lose so it's not even about winning I saw a woman sit down with a short stack of hundos at a roulette table maybe 10 years ago. I watched her lose a few before I walked off, but the image was imprinted on my brain forever. She was alone at the table, emotionless, robotic. The wins were joyless and the losses were routine. I have no idea whether she ended up or down, but it doesn't really matter. rjmccall posted:I mean, I have also lived that life of going to the gym every workday and doing a long run on weekends. It was a serious time commitment that left me with a lot less time and energy for other things in my life. It is hard to pull off if you have a lot of other responsibilities besides a fairly comfortable job. It's not, though. 30min a day can be found and doesn't need to be an energy sapping workout. Granted, it's 29.5 minutes/day more than most Americans dedicate toward fitness, but that's an exceptionally low bar and 30min/day is also a relatively minimal carveout that most people could figure out if they wanted to. I'm a relatively more active runner (7hr/wk!) and my wife doesn't even know I'm gone because I'm back before she's awake every morning. Short of being a coal miner, single parent, or working multiple jobs with a newborn, I'm skeptical that there's a scenario where most people couldn't make it work at a minimal time/dollar cost if they really wanted to. Fitness is objectively GWM, but it's easy to overcomplicate and sometimes takes time to realize the upside.
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If ur a dad and u don't have a dad bod you might just be a bad dad. Just Google Marky Mark's daily schedule.
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rjmccall posted:I mean, I have also lived that life of going to the gym every workday and doing a long run on weekends. It was a serious time commitment that left me with a lot less time and energy for other things in my life. It is hard to pull off if you have a lot of other responsibilities besides a fairly comfortable job. Nah its really not that hard. Interestingly I feel like I have more energy because of my forced work outs. Don't always enjoy them but it's like wiping my rear end, its just part of maintenance. 120 minutes a week really is a modest order for nearly everyone unless you're not great at time management. Y'all be acting like others don't have responsibilities. Lol. Lmao even. This IS America we taking about, it's easy to get comfortable even as poo poo gets more hosed. Be careful about getting comfortable! KingSlime fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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Magicaljesus posted:It's not, though. 30min a day can be found and doesn't need to be an energy sapping workout. Granted, it's 29.5 minutes/day more than most Americans dedicate toward fitness, but that's an exceptionally low bar and 30min/day is also a relatively minimal carveout that most people could figure out if they wanted to. I'm a relatively more active runner (7hr/wk!) and my wife doesn't even know I'm gone because I'm back before she's awake every morning. Short of being a coal miner, single parent, or working multiple jobs with a newborn, I'm skeptical that there's a scenario where most people couldn't make it work at a minimal time/dollar cost if they really wanted to. Fitness is objectively GWM, but it's easy to overcomplicate and sometimes takes time to realize the upside. I think you underestimate how absolutely hosed and time-pressured a lot of people's lives are at the bottom end of the socio-economic scale. Especially if they also have kids to take care of. That half hour of working out may be half an hour that's coming out of the only six hours of sleep they're getting that day in between everything else.
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