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That was a great episode and I didn't really groan too much on the multiverse thing cuz that's kinda been a DC thing for a very long time. Is it wrong the fact they didn't even hesistate to shoot down Clark with Kryptonite. Like wow ,way to make yourself look like the heroes. That and how much they were like insulting her too, like wow back the gently caress off. Kinda glad Lois Lane ditched them. Her having the krypto though, I can't help but feel her dad or Waller is gonna get their hands on it. Also very much love Jimmy being the wingman once again. God I love him.
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At first I thought it was a bit odd that there were no Loises that we recognized, but that became a bit more self evident quickly enough It's tempting to assume that they're just lovely, but if you think about it, anyone who has dealt with an evil Superman--especially if their first Superman was an evil one--would probably have a hair trigger when dealing with him in general. But the fact that there was only a handful of them in the entire multiverse probably speaks to the number of Loises who probably told them to piss off.
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Aug 13, 2023 04:41
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Yeah, I’m assuming the League is made up of Loises whose Supermen all turned evil (though it was also implied that Fleischer Lois is their leader). Also when Mxy eventually comes back I’ll be curious if they adapt the oddly specific “get him to say his name backwards” weakness or think of some other way to deal with him
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Aug 13, 2023 04:50
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drrockso20 posted:The 1940's Fleischer/Famous Studios shorts are very much worth watching(mind you they were made in during the 40's so there is some racial content in several of them), they actually put out a rather good Blu-Ray set for all 17 of them a couple months ago that is rather reasonably priced Will second this, I have the DVD and so much of it holds up fantastically (but, uh... not Jungle Drums. Hoo boy). Billion Dollar Limited has some fantastic Lois moments.
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Aug 13, 2023 04:55
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Assepoester posted:Yeah in comparison WB made Batman also has a reoccurring role in Harley Quinn though he’s of course not the main focus. Conversely, Superman does have more live action shows than Batman does however
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Aug 13, 2023 05:42
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Larryb posted:Batman also has a reoccurring role in Harley Quinn though he’s of course not the main focus. Conversely, Superman does have more live action shows than Batman does however It is super weird there hasn't been a live action Batman show since the Adam West one and there's a ton of Superman live action shows, and then not that many Superman cartoons but a lot of Batman ones when you would think making a live action Batman show would be easier than a Superman one since Batman doesn't have superpowers. I genuinely think it's because Batman does better with children and Superman does better with adults, just in focus groups.
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Aug 13, 2023 06:09
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Air Skwirl posted:It is super weird there hasn't been a live action Batman show since the Adam West one and there's a ton of Superman live action shows, and then not that many Superman cartoons but a lot of Batman ones when you would think making a live action Batman show would be easier than a Superman one since Batman doesn't have superpowers. I guess you could count Gotham but I’m not sure if Bruce Wayne is even in that show (it’s more focused on Gordon and I think takes place pre-Batman). But yeah, he’s had plenty of movies but aside from some serials from the 40’s and the Adam West show Batman’s never really had much in the way of live action series’ (like you said, it feels like he’d be a lot easier/less costly to do in that medium than Superman would and conversely Superman feels more suited to animation)
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Aug 13, 2023 06:15
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Larryb posted:I guess you could count Gotham but I’m not sure if Bruce Wayne is even in that show (it’s more focused on Gordon and I think takes place pre-Batman). Bruce Wayne is a major character in Gotham, but he's not Batman in it, he's a teenager.
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Aug 13, 2023 06:19
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I'm pretty sure Batman in general has normally been more popular than Superman for DC. That's why it's named after his title. Although DC also has an issue with having a pretty steep drop off in popularity after Batman and Superman, so when you look at the animated DC catalogue, there's not all that many outside of the shows that feature either the two of them or teams with a bunch of different characters.
Compare with Marvel, which while it has turned out less acclaimed shows overall, has ended up pretty mixed around. I think Spider-Man got the most shows, followed either by X-Men or the Avengers (the rise of the MCU kinda killing off the X-presence in pop culture and kindling a new interest in the Avengers), but aside from that there have been multiple shows for the Hulk, the Fantastic Four, and Iron Man, and still room for weird shows about other characters. drrockso20 posted:The 1940's Fleischer/Famous Studios shorts are very much worth watching(mind you they were made in during the 40's so there is some racial content in several of them), they actually put out a rather good Blu-Ray set for all 17 of them a couple months ago that is rather reasonably priced I've been seeing a number of them on Youtube as well as part of my looking into the history of animation. I like how the story of how they got made was the Fleischers not wanting to do it, so they said it'd cost ten times more than a normal short, and it got greenlit so they had no choice but to spare no expense and put all their knowhow and techniques into making them the most bespoke and elaborately made cartoon they'd ever put out.
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Yeah, whoever was asking about the Fleischer Superman cartoons, they are really, really good and a huge influence on BTAS and thus a huge influence on all of the Timm/Dini cartoons, and cartoons in general. But they did come out during World War 2 so there's a couple super loving racist episodes. Not so much in the writing, but in the way they draw Japanese people. And in the writing, there's an episode titled "Japateurs"
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Larryb posted:Batman also has a reoccurring role in Harley Quinn though he’s of course not the main focus. Conversely, Superman does have more live action shows than Batman does however Air Skwirl posted:It is super weird there hasn't been a live action Batman show since the Adam West one and there's a ton of Superman live action shows, and then not that many Superman cartoons but a lot of Batman ones when you would think making a live action Batman show would be easier than a Superman one since Batman doesn't have superpowers. Air Skwirl posted:Bruce Wayne is a major character in Gotham, but he's not Batman in it, he's a teenager. Air Skwirl posted:Yeah, whoever was asking about the Fleischer Superman cartoons, they are really, really good and a huge influence on BTAS and thus a huge influence on all of the Timm/Dini cartoons, and cartoons in general. But they did come out during World War 2 so there's a couple super loving racist episodes. Not so much in the writing, but in the way they draw Japanese people. And in the writing, there's an episode titled "Japateurs"
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Air Skwirl posted:I genuinely think it's because Batman does better with children and Superman does better with adults, just in focus groups. It’s me. I’m da baby. Idgaf about Superman.
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How was the 80’s Superman cartoon out of curiosity?SlothfulCobra posted:I'm pretty sure Batman in general has normally been more popular than Superman for DC. That's why it's named after his title. Unless I’m forgetting something X-Men only got a small handful of cartoons as well (the 90’s show, Evolution, and an Japanese miniseries or two)
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Toshimo posted:Superman (1941–1943) going by these numbers, the Superman cartoon of 2048 will be just okay, but after that 2070 will be popping
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Larryb posted:How was the 80’s Superman cartoon out of curiosity? How could you forget Wolverine and the X-Men?
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Open Marriage Night posted:How could you forget Wolverine and the X-Men? Oh yeah, that too (there was also a one shot called Pryde of the X-Men)
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I do love Australian Wolverine. Really needs to come back.
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PicklePants posted:I do love Australian Wolverine. Really needs to come back. Good news. He's in Deadpool 3
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Aug 13, 2023 21:22
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The X-Men cartoons also had a habit of being cancelled prematurely for some reason (only the 90’s show got something even close to an ending)
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That's because nobody at the executive level really cared about kids cartoons and just wanted to get in, make some money and then get out to make the next thing.
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That look at the future of seasons we never got at the end of Evolution was painful 
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muscles like this! posted:That's because nobody at the executive level really cared about kids cartoons and just wanted to get in, make some money and then get out to make the next thing. A pity because Evolution and Wolverine were pretty good in my opinion Off the subject, I checked out a few of the Fleischer Superman shorts for the first time. Not only does the animation still hold up really well but surprisingly for the time they actually let Lois be kind of badass occasionally (like shooting at robbers with a loving machine gun) Larryb fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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Aug 14, 2023 03:21
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Larryb posted:A pity because Evolution and Wolverine were pretty good in my opinion It was WW2, we even let women play baseball back then.
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Larryb posted:The X-Men cartoons also had a habit of being cancelled prematurely for some reason (only the 90’s show got something even close to an ending) Yes and it's also coming back now because Disney runs off nostalgia. I wish they would bring back loving Gargoyles already. No having Goliath in ducktales doesn't count
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Air Skwirl posted:It was WW2, we even let women play baseball back then. True, and to be fair though she often got in over her head I think even in the original comics Lois was typically portrayed as fairly competent/smarter than Clark (a trend that continues to this day in most Superman media though nowadays her and Clark are more like equal partners rather than damsel and hero)
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bunnyofdoom posted:Yes and it's also coming back now because Disney runs off nostalgia. X-Men Evolution deserves a continuation of some sort by an order magnitude than the '92 series.
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Larryb posted:True, and to be fair though she often got in over her head I think even in the original comics Lois was typically portrayed as fairly competent/smarter than Clark (a trend that continues to this day in most Superman media though nowadays her and Clark are more like equal partners rather than damsel and hero) Lois Lane as the main character from "His Girl Friday" is basically how I've always thought of her.
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I love how Flescher Superman couldn't fly (least if I remember right) dude just JUMPED REALLY goddamn loving high. I forgot which short is when he grabs lois and this mad scientist and he just jumps and the next shot is the globe spinning etc as he's about to land.
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Shindragon posted:I love how Flescher Superman couldn't fly (least if I remember right) dude just JUMPED REALLY goddamn loving high. It's where he started to fly, since it was easier to animate, but he really lept into it.
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Also I noticed in the intro they mention that Clark was found by someone and placed in an orphanage after landing on Earth, were the Kents a later addition to the mythos or something?
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Larryb posted:Also I noticed in the intro they mention that Clark was found by someone and placed in an orphanage after landing on Earth, were the Kents a later addition to the mythos or something? In the very first origin story he was just dropped off at the orphanage. Then when they revisited his origin in... Superman #1 I think the Kents do drop him off at the orphanage, but then decide to go back and adopt him (and baby Clark is wrecking the orphanage of course).
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bunnyofdoom posted:I wish they would bring back loving Gargoyles already. No having Goliath in ducktales doesn't count I don't think the Disney corporation as a whole likes the things that come out of the Disney TV division. Spending money on nurturing one of their old properties into a larger franchise isn't very attractive to the execs, especially if it would risk competing with the old and proven IPs they paid big money for. Larryb posted:Also I noticed in the intro they mention that Clark was found by someone and placed in an orphanage after landing on Earth, were the Kents a later addition to the mythos or something? It's less that they were a late addition and more that the Fleischer shorts were really loving early. The character debuted in 1938, the shorts started in 1941. If the Fleischers wanted to put more plot into the shorts, they really could've strongly guided the direction of the character in the future.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I don't think the Disney corporation as a whole likes the things that come out of the Disney TV division. Spending money on nurturing one of their old properties into a larger franchise isn't very attractive to the execs, especially if it would risk competing with the old and proven IPs they paid big money for. While it's certainly not a guarantee that Weisman would work on a new Gargoyles thing at Disney, Young Justice's later seasons would make me wary about him being on a relaunch. That said I doubt anybody at Disney has any interest unless they get super desperate for content.
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Anyone interested in what he would do with new Gargoyles episodes should look at the 20 years of fan Q&A archives on his site. He imagined a lot of content, including five spin-offs and an epic franchise conclusion set 100 years in the future where Xanatos’s grandson and the collective forces of humanity lead a desperate war against the Space Spawn, who have invaded Earth. I guess the gargoyles would also be involved? The dude’s got a big imagination and is probably way too into lore and story bibles vs keeping a story manageable, but I guess he did pull off a pretty impressive and successful story starting with “New York has gargoyles who fight crime.”
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Relevant to discussion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDMQ3tXNKgM
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Larryb posted:Speaking of, is the Gargoyles comic any good? It's okay. I mean, if you're a fan it's enjoyable but nothing to blow your doors off if not. Eliza's still a cop, which is kind of unfortunate but we don't have too many mixed-race Black/Native characters running around and like somebody said she would absolutely be seen as pandering to the wokes if she came out today.
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I AM GRANDO posted:The dude’s got a big imagination and is probably way too into lore and story bibles vs keeping a story manageable, but I guess he did pull off a pretty impressive and successful story starting with “New York has gargoyles who fight crime.” I think a lot people forget Gargoyles fell off a cliff at the end there with the move to ABC. Though, I don't remember if Weissman was actually involved with The Goliath Chronicles. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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AlternateNu posted:I think a lot people forget Gargoyles fell off a cliff at the end there with the move to ABC. Though, I don't remember if Weissman was actually involved with The Goliath Chronicles. As I understand it, he wrote the first episode of TGC and then Disney fired him (he’s involved with the comics though which apparently are closer to his original vision of the third season but I’m not sure if those were ever finished/are still going or not)
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Larryb posted:As I understand it, he wrote the first episode of TGC and then Disney fired him (he’s involved with the comics though which apparently are closer to his original vision of the third season but I’m not sure if those were ever finished/are still going or not) Yeah, he's writing the ongoing which is basically a continuation of the series.
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