Gary Oldman spotted in a reflection in ISC. Hopefully this isn't the only Squadron 42 content we will see this year posted:

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Have no fear. At CitCon they show you a bunch of stuff and set unreal expectations, once again.

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To be fair: the last two CitCons they had mostly realistic expectations and didn't show much of anything.

Only Kindness posted:

Look at all them letterbox mouths.

They know.

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Here's the thing. We are limited in what we can talk about on Spectrum. Those who want to spread FUD use that fact to mislead. Those who are mislead think they are doing 'the good work' they've been charged and 'ginned up' to do.

Those who are responsible for spreading the FUD absolutely KNOW very well that the impression they are trying to give is not true because they have had access to sources of information for years that we can't talk about. I KNOW because I have seen some of those sources, I got them from them.

Did they feature that information on their Youtube channel or Discord dedicated to giving out information to everyone - no they didn't - I wonder why?

When they pass on information to Youtubers willing to spread unauthorised information do they include it all? No they don't. I wonder why?

Do they use the lack of moderation on a weekend or Reddit to give out the information that disproves their FUD the way they use it to spread their FUD? No they don't. I wonder why.

If you don't know what I'm talking about I suggest you go back to those whispering into your ear and ask them, why do you curate what information you know, have known, for years? Why don't you just give it all and let everyone decide?

You've more chance to find out that way than noise posting on Spectrum... but don't bet on it.

This is what I now KNOW - Squadron 42 E1 is going to be much better than I was expecting it to be. So... thanks.

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I'm not exactly alone am I?

Foolish? Hope? Don't the figures speak for themselves? As people keep reminding us, it's been years.. when's the precipitous fall off coming? We've had the doomsayers predicting it for years. It wasn't last year, or the year before, or the year before that and it doesn't look like it's going to be this year either despite a rocky core tech pillar insertion. Even if they don't take another penny from today (how likely is that?) this year they have out-performed every year prior to 2020, during one of the worst financial crises with inflation higher in most countries than we've seen in decades.

Without delivering? What's all this stuff media pundits keep talking about? Something's giving them cause to make video after video after video jabbering on about it all. Something is bringing players back again and again, according to Chris in ever growing numbers. What do we need guides for if it's only a few old timer deluded moneybags throwing dosh at the screen, why decide to do the new player experience thing now if we're all tired old hands? You think all those with dupe accounts booked flights out to South East Asia just to have their BarCitizen meet ups and fan conventions over there? You think CIG moved to larger premises, paid for remodelling and furnishing so the existing staff could have more leg room and a pool table? What on Earth are these complaints about overpopulated servers and new peeps spoiling the experience for old timer players during events about... Interest dying off?

Seriously, do you examine your arguments sometimes? smh.

I'm unsubscribing posted:

It's been a good journey guys. I've been subbed for over 10 years I think. I built my first PC in 2013 to play this game (and for VR). Now 10 years later, I would have thought the game would be out by now.

All I see are posts about ships and more ships. Endless reworks (how many times has the UI been refactored or replaced?). We still only have 1 system. Exploration jumps are nowhere in sight.

I'll still follow Star Citizen casually, if the game ever releases or there are big updates I'll probably see on YouTube, but I didn't sign up for a 10 year journey on this game.

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I signed my then-teenaged son and I up for a 2 year journey in 2014 when the release date "was 2015 or 2016". He's now 25yo and his 2nd child should be born in the next couple of weeks. CIG still hasn't released their 2nd solar system.

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I was 21 with a 2yo daughter, when I signed up with the KS.


I now am in my 30s, have 4 kids, a house, own a business with several employees. Its been a journey to say the least.

I'm not even angry anymore. But I still enjoy reading the subreddit and following the drama. I don't care what people say about Chris and his past games, or the current staff etc.. this has been one of the most mismanaged games I've ever seen.

And unless Chris is literally making every last decision, then I put a lot of blame on the employees also. The starmap that came out 7 years ago wouldn't have passed even the lowest bar of play testing.

The fact that they can't get EXTREMELY basic features in, like hot swapping from one inventory to the other, meanwhile there are small indie teams of 2 or 3 guys that have added in those features to their alpha survival game in a matter of a month. Its laughable.

monocle posted:

Foolish? Hope? Don't the figures speak for themselves? As people keep reminding us, it's been years.. when's the precipitous fall off coming? We've had the doomsayers predicting it for years. It wasn't last year, or the year before, or the year before that and it doesn't look like it's going to be this year either despite a rocky core tech pillar insertion. Even if they don't take another penny from today (how likely is that?) this year they have out-performed every year prior to 2020, during one of the worst financial crises with inflation higher in most countries than we've seen in decades.

Blue On Blue posted:

So hold on let me get this straight


They’ve always sold the packages as your free access to the test server etc. and the subscriber perks same deal

And now they’re changing it to be the more you pay or play ( ha ha ha ) the faster you get access to the test server

First off no one will be playing enough to gain access aside from the terminally stimpirical citizens

Second aside from being business magnates no one is buying the big money packages just to get to test out the latest patch early

And funny enough they even said they know people log in once to check out their new ships or whatever and then log out until it’s in the live server

Maybe this should cause cig to become introspective on the entire situation but I guess it won’t , they will double down on their choices

Mirificus posted:

take a wild loving guess on who was saying this in November 2021 posted:

I personally think after studying the Roadmap closely that there will be an internal beta of Squadron 42 Episode One in either Q1 or Q2 of next year and they seem to be aiming for a commercial release perhaps by end of Q4 (the 10th anniversary of the project) of Squadron 42 Episode One. I realise there will be those who howl in derision at this idea but they bring nothing but attitude, no facts beyond their negativity. Of course nothing is set in stone, we all know that, but all the signs are pointing to a crunch time for Squadron 42 right now.

Only Kindness posted:

This "test" thing is utterly useless anyway, surely. Unless the shitizens are actually doing things that fully test features systemically and also report them in a structured way, which I am fairly certain they do not.

Shazback posted:

Just a reminder that for all their bluster and assurances of being "in the know", anyone talking about Star Citizen is basically reading the future in tea leaves.

Lord Stimperor posted:

Anyone here looking forward to Starfield? I really dig most Bethesda games, janky as they are, but it looks really bland and grey like Star Citizen.

Lord Stimperor posted:

Anyone here looking forward to Starfield? I really dig most Bethesda games, janky as they are, but it looks really bland and grey like Star Citizen.

Lord Stimperor posted:

Anyone here looking forward to Starfield? I really dig most Bethesda games, janky as they are, but it looks really bland and grey like Star Citizen.

Experimental Skin posted:

With what modders have done with Skyrim V

Only Kindness posted:

Oh, as an aside, since if you're in this thread you are most surely a keen observer of the vibeo gaem industry, it's been enjoyable (i.e. not enjoyable at all) to see the frothing reaction to Baldur's Gate The Third, assuring us that no, this was an aberration and sets no precedent, and that on-disc day-one DLC, FOMO preorder crap, microtransactions, nickel-and-diming, five layers of DRM and unnecessarily-always-online-single-player-only is the norm and will continue, have no fear of that! Stop getting "ideas"!

A slightly more intense version of the industry insisting that's not how you design missions! where's the quest log? when Elden Ring came out.

Only Kindness posted:

FishMcCool posted:

I really don't think Blizzard cares. No matter what they poo poo, their crowd will rage but lap it up after paying for the privilege. Same with CIG in fact.

Only Kindness posted:

True. But either way they (both the company, and their dickriders) have a vested interest in the general consumer not getting any funny ideas about "quality" or "completeness" or "ownership" or "preservation".

Also it's just a joke image, not an academic treatise.

FishMcCool posted:

I'm in academia and I have suffered through reading worse papers than this image.

disposablewords posted:

Unrealistic in that it's very high quality and has had a frankly ridiculous (in this day and age) amount of time to polish and work on everything because Larian does not have whip-cracking shareholder masters pushing everything to make Number Go Up in the short-term, while still having the resources of a sizable, established company. So they're in a pretty golden spot for BG3's quality to be realistic for them, that a lot of others are not. But people don't think in those terms, be it consumers or shareholders, so a lot of devs outside of Larian are not unreasonably worried about it setting even more unattainable standards that tend to lead to even more burnout and rushed failures.

CIG doesn't have a loving excuse to say anything either way, though. I'm talking about actual game devs and not whatever the hell these guys even are anymore.