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Erin M. Fiasco posted:I'm trying to understand - I'm reading it like Asuka is saying she doesn't keep tabs on Joshi wrestling outside of a few but is glad that she's played some kind of a part in helping Japanese women get booked and seen as legitimate in America, though when she started she was savaged by the media? Something like that? Or am I just missing a bunch of context. I think she's saying the joshi establishment was against her when she started?
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She didn't like the type of Joshi promotions that existed when she was first starting out (Mostly ran by nearly retired stars putting themselves over the roster) or the general style at the time (more gymnastics-based) so eventually wrote a worked-shoot article called the Manifesto which made a bunch of people in Japan really mad, but skyrocketed her fandom in America. She made a lot of enemies trashing on the old Joshi promotions/promotors/style so the worked shoot got turned around on her and she ended up doing mostly freelance or partnering with Tajiri's two promotions (SMASH and later Wrestling New Classic) all the way up until she got signed because she rubbed too many people the wrong way. for all anyone knows she could be trying to work an angle with Iyo or Kairi in the future but it's funny that this all started because someone made fun of her for eating pineapple pizza
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We should all be so lucky as to have someone like Charlotte Flair as a comrade in arms
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Even if Nanae Takahashi hated asuka the idea that the founders of stardom put money and time into training wrestlers just to specifically destroy asuka is ridiculous. It's just an utterly crazy thing to believe
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ItohRespectArmy posted:i believe that
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She's shootin again: https://twitter.com/WWEAsuka/status/1691213613707800580 Dave is also saying this is not a work, and that he has an article covering the situation coming out on Thursday.
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I believe Asuka because I just think she's neat
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Stand Up for Asuka
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Very relatable. Stardom was created to defeat me as well.
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Kennel posted:I've walked alone in the wilderness all my life, and here I have an oasis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6SOYlunc88 
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I like Asuka more than I like whoever else is involved in whatever is going on here so I support her.
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She probably has a legit beef with the media and Rossy but throwing the modern Joshi scene probably isn't going to make her many friends especially if WWE goes talent hunting again. And also it's not like her vision for Joshi wasn't without issues as well
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SatoshiMiwa posted:She probably has a legit beef with the media and Rossy but throwing the modern Joshi scene probably isn't going to make her many friends especially if WWE goes talent hunting again. And also it's not like her vision for Joshi wasn't without issues as well Her ties to Japan right now are just Konami (The only person she trained), Syuri (Former friend/stablemate) and Mina Shirakawa (Who became a wrestler because of Asuka I think?) and all 3 wrestling in Stardom right now
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I thought Mina became a wrestler because of Liger.
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Stall_19 posted:I thought Mina became a wrestler because of Liger.
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I do wonder what in particular set her off. It's kind of feels out of the blue, She's not been around in an awfully long time, 8 years now. Side note, I hadn't realised one of her last matches in Japan was in a tag match where ASUKA/Veny was on the other side. I'd assumed ASUKA was too young to have faced Asuka
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forkboy84 posted:I do wonder what in particular set her off. It's kind of feels out of the blue, She's not been around in an awfully long time, 8 years now. The inciting incident at least on twitter was someone saying, "People won't like it if you put pineapple on pizza" when she posted a photo of her eating a pineapple pizza edit: or "your only flaw is liking pineapple on pizza" https://twitter.com/WWEAsuka/status/1690911817621782528 fez_machine fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Aug 15, 2023 |
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It's probably just the straw that broke the camels back kinda thing and she's just sick to death of people telling her to go back to Japan (in a you will be valued kinda way) when she loses
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fez_machine posted:The inciting incident at least on twitter was someone saying, "People won't like it if you put pineapple on pizza" when she posted a photo of her eating a pineapple pizza I hate incessant pizza talk as much as the next sane person but I really don't think that can be enough to start that sort of rant. Also I just reread her post and "I was the only one who could put on a big show regularly" stands out. The only times the KanaMania shows broke 1,200 in Korakuen they had Marufuji & MiSu on them. 2015 Stardom had a bigger big show and the average is about the same. But all this is more a reflection of how cold the entire joshi ecosystem was at the time. TBH Nanae vs Kana as 2 grumpy vets beating the poo poo out of each other would be pretty cool. Shame it won't happen but glad Asuka is happy where she is.
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Also Suzu vs Syuri from 5☆GP night 1 loving ruled. I miss deathmatch nutter Suzu but it's good seeing her in an important position.
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I suspect her issues in Stardom would more likely have been with Nanae (who she seems to have genuinely hated - apparently her and Mio Shirai legit didn’t talk to Io for a bit after Io left Triple Tails to work Stardom) and possibly Fuka (who is the definition of the sort of wrestler Kana railed against in the manifesto) rather than Rossy. Perhaps they did cross paths at some point but the period between Rossy selling the remains of ARSION to Yumiko Hotta (where it became AtoZ which is where Kana started: perhaps there was some cross over there) and Stardom starting in 2011 is probably the period where Rossy is at is least important: was not booking anywhere and seems to have basically worked as staff on shows for people he knew (like Nanae) until Fuka came calling to do Stardom. This all could be completely wrong but it feels like her issues where were with others: although she might still not like Stardom. I think it’s interesting that she never really mentions Konami (her only trainee); and from interviews Konami has basically said that she owes Syuri for where she ended up so perhaps that is intentional; I don’t know.
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forkboy84 posted:Also Suzu vs Syuri from 5☆GP night 1 loving ruled. I miss deathmatch nutter Suzu but it's good seeing her in an important position. All of Suzu's matches have been great so far. If you want to see a real heater, though, wait til you get to Natsupoi vs Syuri
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Kana had a big problem with the rest of the joshi scene telling her things like "don't dress up like a Nazi" and "intentionally kicking people in the head hard enough to concuss them is bad"
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You have to give it to Bushiroad, Stardom is the only company in Japan bigger now than it was at the start of 2020. Shame for all that they still couldn't pay KAIRI
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IceAgeComing posted:I suspect her issues in Stardom would more likely have been with Nanae (who she seems to have genuinely hated - apparently her and Mio Shirai legit didn’t talk to Io for a bit after Io left Triple Tails to work Stardom) and possibly Fuka (who is the definition of the sort of wrestler Kana railed against in the manifesto) rather than Rossy. Perhaps they did cross paths at some point but the period between Rossy selling the remains of ARSION to Yumiko Hotta (where it became AtoZ which is where Kana started: perhaps there was some cross over there) and Stardom starting in 2011 is probably the period where Rossy is at is least important: was not booking anywhere and seems to have basically worked as staff on shows for people he knew (like Nanae) until Fuka came calling to do Stardom. In the case of Mio, she is pretty much estranged from a lot of the joshi scene now because she fell down the far right rabbit hole.
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Numero6 posted:I thought Mio was still with Ice Ribbon and OZ? Yeah, she's still a ref for Ice Ribbon the last I checked. Can't comment on Oz but would assume so.
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So far behind on the 5 star. Had to say natsupoi v syuri was excellent and natsupoi is having a great tournament Bye poi
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Burn Down Canberra posted:So far behind on the 5 star. Had to say natsupoi v syuri was excellent and natsupoi is having a great tournament I'm miraculously all caught up and hoping the Korakuen show from the 15th is posted tomorrow since I'm having post-G1 wrestling withdrawal. Natsupoi is probably my MVP so far too but Suzu is right up there. And Syuri. And Saori. And Mayu. It's been a great tournament is what I'm saying.
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Burn Down Canberra posted:So far behind on the 5 star. Had to say natsupoi v syuri was excellent and natsupoi is having a great tournament I've still only watched the 1st 2 shows, and half the G1. It's too drat much
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, she's still a ref for Ice Ribbon the last I checked. Can't comment on Oz but would assume so. Believe she's doing bits and pieces for them - not on every show but that may well be because she's got several young children now, rather than just the one. She still is involved in management in Ice Ribbon - played a role in the reality show they're doing about the new rookies they have as the trainer figure. There's certainly no evidence of her being 'estranged' from any of the places that she was working post-retirement: basically was just Ice Ribbon and OZ Academy. Outside of the liking Putin thing her views aren't even that out there for Japan: and I suspect there are probably lots of other people within Japanese wrestling with similar views (Shingo apparently used to share very boomer-style conservative/nationalist facebook memes as an example).
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IceAgeComing posted:Believe she's doing bits and pieces for them - not on every show but that may well be because she's got several young children now, rather than just the one. She still is involved in management in Ice Ribbon - played a role in the reality show they're doing about the new rookies they have as the trainer figure. There's certainly no evidence of her being 'estranged' from any of the places that she was working post-retirement: basically was just Ice Ribbon and OZ Academy. Outside of the liking Putin thing her views aren't even that out there for Japan: and I suspect there are probably lots of other people within Japanese wrestling with similar views (Shingo apparently used to share very boomer-style conservative/nationalist facebook memes as an example). Yeah, it's one of those things where I'm very glad I don't speak the language because I'd probably just get depressed by most people's views, just like with western wrestlers. Shingo's free time seems to be spent eating beef, training in gyms and going to various shrines around Japan, of course he's going to be a Japanese nationalist with all the baggage associated. At least we've got Dick Togo, member of the JCP.
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