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Good lord.
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Aug 13, 2023 20:56
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Good lord. It's some loving WWI/WWII poo poo when infantry get caught in the open and obliterated by artillery.
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Aug 13, 2023 21:01
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Can't wait for some shitlib Pro-Russia Tankie to say that this is a warcrime just like the Highway of Death.
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Aug 13, 2023 21:46
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I thought all the shitlibs liked Ukraine in this war, but I'm not sure which ones are shitlibs at this point. I assume the ones I don't like
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Aug 13, 2023 21:56
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Nessus posted:I thought all the shitlibs liked Ukraine in this war, but I'm not sure which ones are shitlibs at this point. I assume the ones I don't like I believe that is the current in-use definition of both 'shitlib' and 'tankie', yes. It saves a lot of time when you're winding yourself up by prophesying wrongs committed by people you don't like, who are imaginary.
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Aug 13, 2023 22:06
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Nessus posted:I thought all the shitlibs liked Ukraine in this war, but I'm not sure which ones are shitlibs at this point. I assume the ones I don't like There's some maligned leftist shitheels that call for peace and take any opportunity to point out any perceived "escalation of violence" Ukraine does, completely ignorant or dissonant of the abhorrent poo poo Russias been doing since day 1. Then of course there's the typical tankies and contrarians.
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Aug 13, 2023 22:09
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Apparently they JDAMed a bunch of targets in the area as well.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:I believe that is the current in-use definition of both 'shitlib' and 'tankie', yes. It saves a lot of time when you're winding yourself up by prophesying wrongs committed by people you don't like, who are imaginary. I did think 'tankie' was still people who were unironically and uncritically stanning for the USSR/Russia, with vaguely leftist reasons. I would exempt someone whose focus was on US matters but who did say 'nothing Russia is doing is good, and they started it, however most of what I can actually say involves US policy, because that is what I know.' However, that's a lot of letters, and anything past the first eight words might as well be lorem ipsum. psydude posted:Apparently they JDAMed a bunch of targets in the area as well.
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Aug 13, 2023 22:15
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this is good for bitcoin
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Aug 13, 2023 22:27
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Nessus posted:I guess they've moving on down, where the heck is this. Are they gonna reach the sea any time soon? I think this is still that river valley set of villages sort of following the T0518 highway. Urozhaine is across the river from Staromaiorske as a sort of twinned village. It's not near the sea, but the highway goes towards Mariupol as opposed to the Robotyne->Tokmak->Melitopol axis that is also slowly grinding forward. See a map
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Aug 13, 2023 22:29
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What was the name of that famous German retreat, in the weeks after D-Day at Normandy, where they tried to withdraw while partially encircled and got badly chewed up? Probably a better comparison than the highway of death. EDIT: that's right, the Falaise Pocket. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2YCdGC5ePw capitalcomma fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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Aug 13, 2023 23:18
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Action-Bastard posted:There's some maligned leftist shitheels that call for peace and take any opportunity to point out any perceived "escalation of violence" Ukraine does, completely ignorant or dissonant of the abhorrent poo poo Russias been doing since day 1. Before day one. How many peace treaties with Ukraine has the Russian Federation broken, like 6 or 7, right?
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Aug 14, 2023 02:32
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psydude posted:Apparently they JDAMed a bunch of targets in the area as well. yeah this isn't a bunch of fleeing deserters loading down loot into captured civilian vehicles. They're active combatants resetting to new defensive positions.
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Aug 14, 2023 04:54
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Mzuri posted:It's a Kerch-22, really. Very good.
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Aug 14, 2023 15:03
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Reading this has me thinking drone buzzing is going to be a big PTSD trigger for vets when this is over. https://twitter.com/sambendett/status/1690692642357587969?t=Mb7bgjWfgQopzgG8ErXqtg&s=19
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Dandywalken posted:Reading this has me thinking drone buzzing is going to be a big PTSD trigger for vets when this is over. What does FPV stand for? Can't find in it in a casual search. E: "First Person View" I'm assuming. E2: vvv Ha. Thanks all. vvv RoyKeen fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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Aug 14, 2023 18:02
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RoyKeen posted:What does FPV stand for? Can't find in it in a casual search. First Person View, drones piloted with displays mounted on the pilot eyes in goggles usually.
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Aug 14, 2023 18:03
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RoyKeen posted:What does FPV stand for? Can't find in it in a casual search. First Person View: camera on the drone trasmits to some goggles you're wearing, like a dork. You steer the drone, loaded with HE/HEAT, into the nearest target. It's a loitering munition minus the $100k price.
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Aug 14, 2023 18:04
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RoyKeen posted:What does FPV stand for? Can't find in it in a casual search.
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Aug 14, 2023 18:05
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RoyKeen posted:What does FPV stand for? Can't find in it in a casual search. First person view. Drones piloted by wearing goggles.
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Aug 14, 2023 18:10
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Dandywalken posted:Reading this has me thinking drone buzzing is going to be a big PTSD trigger for vets when this is over. There's been numerous accounts from civilians in the Middle East that hearing drones is absolutely a PTSD trigger. Knowing it means there's a robot in the sky that might decide to kill you or might not, all according to the unknowable whims of people miles away who you'll never meet, see, or even learn their names, pushing buttons for reasons you do not understand beyond their all too lethal consequences if they fire.
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Aug 14, 2023 18:41
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Dandywalken posted:Reading this has me thinking drone buzzing is going to be a big PTSD trigger for vets when this is over. Tinatus from bad hearing protection will cancel it out.
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Aug 14, 2023 18:41
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In the DIY FPV drone space we're seeing ones that can hit a 300kph sprint for a mile or two in a terminal phase following a 7-10 mile slower cruise. The radio systems can be made high reliability spectrum hopping ones with off the shelf components. The hurdle to the last 10% of range performance is actually the lack of test data in COTS battery and motor test-to-failure. Since when used as ordinance they'll be on a one way trip, if you can use a lighter motor and battery with the expectation that they'd be unusable after that 10-20 second terminal phase you extend the cruise range. But since most of it is cheap QC there is no way to reliably know ahead of time if a system can do double its rated C for 1s or 10s or 20s. There is a very sharp knee in which thermal effects take over. In some well qualified Samsung stuff you'll be pretty confident where that knee is in your curve, but when you buy stuff off alibaba you have a lot of unknowns. So when BAE starts selling them for $10k a pop you know they're going to be terrors, but also will have missed the whole point. M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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Aug 14, 2023 18:56
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M_Gargantua posted:So when BAE starts selling them for $10k a pop you know they're going to be terrors, but also will have missed the whole point. It all depends on how it's implemented. One of the quiet tricks that the US has up its sleeve is to drive up the cost of effective weaponry for everyone, because they can afford it. If an expensive drone can somehow make the cheap ones functionally obsolete, then everyone has to shell out big time or get stomped on. That's actually one of the biggest issues for NATO right now - drones threaten their financial advantage.
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Aug 14, 2023 20:10
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$10k for a commercial-grade version of whatever Ukraine is hobbyshopping together with volunteers seems like a bargain. Consider how much a javelin costs.
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Kaal posted:That's actually one of the biggest issues for NATO right now - drones threaten their financial advantage. I’m curious if this will be offset by volume. IE, Everyone has drones but NATO has 10 or 100 times as many and can carpet bomb with disposable drones.
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Aug 14, 2023 23:04
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Yeah 10k is pocket change in terms of dod spending
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ECM is another area I imagine NATO has an edge in, so who knows. The drones may turn right around and blow up the operator.
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No one wants to make military-grade FPV suicide drones, at least the way Ukraine is using them. You need extremely skilled pilots who are close enough to relay low-latency commands, putting them in danger That’s why defense companies are trying to crank out varying bling levels of AI loitering munitions
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Aug 15, 2023 03:43
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AI-powered loitering munitions feels like an excellent way to shirk the blame for when one accidentally bombs a wedding.
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Aug 15, 2023 03:51
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Victis posted:No one wants to make military-grade FPV suicide drones, at least the way Ukraine is using them. You need extremely skilled pilots who are close enough to relay low-latency commands, putting them in danger This is one of those situations where driving the costs way down has a ton of advantages. You can train people up faster AND if you lose a few to poor piloting the main cost is the strain on your logistics.
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Kazinsal posted:AI-powered loitering munitions feels like an excellent way to shirk the blame for when one accidentally bombs a wedding. Whats the difference between a training camp and a wedding? Don't ask me, I'm just the programmer.
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Aug 15, 2023 04:00
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I wonder what the rate of PTSD symptoms are between 'regular' drone operators and FPV operators.
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Aug 15, 2023 04:01
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You could send a squadron of drones under automated control with a single operator who takes control one-at-a-time to make the final attack run with each.
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Aug 15, 2023 04:03
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The Lone Badger posted:You could send a squadron of drones under automated control with a single operator who takes control one-at-a-time to make the final attack run with each. That seems more like a legitimate usecase for AI. The meatsuit operator directs the swarm to a target area, selects targets and authorizes the attack, and then the AI prioritizes targets and prosecutes the attacks simultaneously.
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Aug 15, 2023 04:09
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The Lone Badger posted:You could send a squadron of drones under automated control with a single operator who takes control one-at-a-time to make the final attack run with each. This is too much like EvE multiboxing
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Kazinsal posted:AI-powered loitering munitions feels like an excellent way to shirk the blame for when one accidentally bombs a wedding. If you wait for the gender reveal, the chances are pretty good they'll bomb themselves.
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The Lone Badger posted:You could send a squadron of drones under automated control with a single operator who takes control one-at-a-time to make the final attack run with each. I think this is not unlike how drone strikes currently work.
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