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Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

That's just continuing the fine Comstar tradition of "guns? We don't gots no guns. These are mercenaries, honest".

# ? Aug 13, 2023 03:24

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 15:11

Lord_Hambrose: Nov 21, 2008; *a foul hooting fills the air*

LaSquida posted:

Could you explain why? I'm an Inner Sphere and mercenary fan, and the closest thing to the Clans I like is Clan Snord, so I may just be underinformed about their particulars, but why the Ice Hellions?

Being hyper aggressive and always taking big Ls is a great combination.

But mainly the color scheme looked rad as a kid.

# ? Aug 13, 2023 12:21

Defiance Industries: Jul 22, 2010; A five-star manufacturer

The Hellions, like all Clans, are hella dumb. But the writers realize it in this case.

# ? Aug 13, 2023 19:49

SkyeAuroline: Nov 12, 2020

Had a game at the shop today to see if I want to start going back there regularly.

Clanner opponent castled up a 2xHAG40 Dire Wolf and 2xRAC5 Vulture next to each other on the map mat he brought, on top of a tall hill with one in cover, and just waited stationary for me to come within his range. Nothing I had could outshoot him even at long range, and the hilly map mat meant nothing could build up modifiers and at best could get occasional partial cover. I got lucky with a chain of ERML fire that killed the Dire Wolf... after he had already completely disabled or destroyed three of my four mechs, with the Vulture basically undamaged, and with the same exchange of fire that killed the Dire Wolf disabling my fourth.

I don't think I plan on going back any time soon. Nearly every time I've gone has been "what maximum sweat tournament list can I bring to stomp this fairly new player who's still struggling with the rules". I'll just stick with Megamek with existing friends. Also guess I won't be painting any more mechs any time soon since they won't see much use.

e: wait a goddamn second I'm trying to look up the Vulture and a) there is no rac5 Vulture that I see, b) clan rac5s don't even exist in the era we were playing except as prototypes we weren't using - this dude snuck ~~a custom~~ a different mech from a later era into a pick up game. I'm even less interested now.

SkyeAuroline fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Aug 14, 2023

# ? Aug 14, 2023 01:02

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

That's just absolute dickery and that guy should be shunned.

# ? Aug 14, 2023 01:10

Strobe: Jun 30, 2014; GW BRAINWORMS CREW

SkyeAuroline posted:

Had a game at the shop today to see if I want to start going back there regularly.

Clanner opponent castled up a 2xHAG40 Dire Wolf and 2xRAC5 Vulture next to each other on the map mat he brought, on top of a tall hill with one in cover, and just waited stationary for me to come within his range. Nothing I had could outshoot him even at long range, and the hilly map mat meant nothing could build up modifiers and at best could get occasional partial cover. I got lucky with a chain of ERML fire that killed the Dire Wolf... after he had already completely disabled or destroyed three of my four mechs, with the Vulture basically undamaged, and with the same exchange of fire that killed the Dire Wolf disabling my fourth.

I don't think I plan on going back any time soon. Nearly every time I've gone has been "what maximum sweat tournament list can I bring to stomp this fairly new player who's still struggling with the rules". I'll just stick with Megamek with existing friends. Also guess I won't be painting any more mechs any time soon since they won't see much use.

e: wait a goddamn second I'm trying to look up the Vulture and a) there is no rac5 Vulture that I see, b) clan rac5s don't even exist in the era we were playing except as prototypes we weren't using - this dude snuck a custom into a pick up game. I'm even less interested now.

The Vulture that he was using could have been the Vulture Mk III D, which while not a custom is absolutely a Dark Age design (intro date 3109) and if you were playing something Jihad or earlier should not have been available.

# ? Aug 14, 2023 01:13

SkyeAuroline: Nov 12, 2020

Strobe posted:

The Vulture that he was using could have been the Vulture Mk III D, which while not a custom is absolutely a Dark Age design (intro date 3109) and if you were playing something Jihad or earlier should not have been available.

Yeah, we were playing 3080 hard cutoff, standard tech only.

Looking at the sarna entry I think this is it.

e: confirmation that that's what happened, he "had his filters set wrong" and didn't double check anything.

SkyeAuroline fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Aug 14, 2023

# ? Aug 14, 2023 01:14

Sidesaddle Cavalry: Mar 15, 2013; Oh Boy Desert Map

SkyeAuroline posted:

Yeah, we were playing 3080 hard cutoff, standard tech only.

Looking at the sarna entry I think this is it.

Exactly the kind of game that I really hope the new Force Manuals put an end to.

# ? Aug 14, 2023 02:47

Strobe: Jun 30, 2014; GW BRAINWORMS CREW

GenCon is over, and that means it's time for a new project! This year looks like Smoke Jaguars Delta Galaxy. First up are a Command Star and an Assault Star. Some still need decals, some still need basing, and the ones that are based need touchups to the base, but overall I'm pretty happy with how quick these are going.

# ? Aug 14, 2023 07:10

Defiance Industries: Jul 22, 2010; A five-star manufacturer

Your trim is really clean.

# ? Aug 14, 2023 07:25

Rorahusky: Nov 12, 2012; Transform and waaauuuugh out!

SkyeAuroline posted:

Had a game at the shop today to see if I want to start going back there regularly.

Clanner opponent castled up a 2xHAG40 Dire Wolf and 2xRAC5 Vulture next to each other on the map mat he brought, on top of a tall hill with one in cover, and just waited stationary for me to come within his range. Nothing I had could outshoot him even at long range, and the hilly map mat meant nothing could build up modifiers and at best could get occasional partial cover. I got lucky with a chain of ERML fire that killed the Dire Wolf... after he had already completely disabled or destroyed three of my four mechs, with the Vulture basically undamaged, and with the same exchange of fire that killed the Dire Wolf disabling my fourth.

I don't think I plan on going back any time soon. Nearly every time I've gone has been "what maximum sweat tournament list can I bring to stomp this fairly new player who's still struggling with the rules". I'll just stick with Megamek with existing friends. Also guess I won't be painting any more mechs any time soon since they won't see much use.

e: wait a goddamn second I'm trying to look up the Vulture and a) there is no rac5 Vulture that I see, b) clan rac5s don't even exist in the era we were playing except as prototypes we weren't using - this dude snuck a custom into a pick up game. I'm even less interested now.

Those are exactly the kinds of players who give the game a poor name, and who should be shunned. I too sadly had a lovely first time playing BT in person, against someone who had 6+ LRM Boats parked behind cover with spotters against a first time player.

He would also get pissed off at me any time I checked the manual and accused me of being a 'Rules Lawyer' whenever I questioned his rulings. For good reason as it turned out, because he was deliberately fudging the rules. Wasn't adding the extra penalty for indirect fire to his attacks, but /was/ applying ArtIV's bonus despite ArtIV only working for direct LOS. Had a house rule where units moved twice their hex value and weapons had twice their range because he said 'it took too long for 'Mechs to get into range', but conveniently forgot to double the number of hexes you had to move to generate move modifiers, etc.

He even had the gall a week later to rip me a new one for being 6 BV overbudget because of poor math.

Thankfully he is now banned from the store, after a Legit Battletech player started attending sessions and rightfully called him on his bullshit.

# ? Aug 14, 2023 10:46

Z the IVth: Jan 28, 2009; The trouble with your "expendable machines"; Fun Shoe

Are the Urbanmech and Proliferation cycle boxes two different flavours of joke boxes or can they legitimately see play?

# ? Aug 14, 2023 22:26

Azhais: Feb 5, 2007; Switchblade Switcharoo

I don't really know why you'd waste a drop ship bay on an urbie when you could stuff two locusts in there instead

# ? Aug 14, 2023 22:29

Strobe: Jun 30, 2014; GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Z the IVth posted:

Are the Urbanmech and Proliferation cycle boxes two different flavours of joke boxes or can they legitimately see play?

The Urbanmech box is a joke but you can legitimately field them.

The Proliferation box is not a joke at all even if some of the mechs are not good.

Azhais posted:

I don't really know why you'd waste a drop ship bay on an urbie when you could stuff two locusts in there instead

It may surprise you to learn that approximately (but not exactly) half of BattleMech forces involved in a given fight did not arrive by dropship.

# ? Aug 14, 2023 22:50

PoptartsNinja: May 9, 2008; He is still almost definitely not a spy; Soiled Meat

UrbanMechs exist for one reason: For rear end in a top hat nobles to meet militia BattleMech quotas while embezzling most of the money their leige lord gave them to buy a BattleMaster.

# ? Aug 14, 2023 22:55

Saint Celestine: Dec 17, 2008; Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.
- Saint Sabbat, Lessons; Grimey Drawer

Some of the urbanmech variants are kinda useful.

# ? Aug 14, 2023 23:11

Defiance Industries: Jul 22, 2010; A five-star manufacturer

Z the IVth posted:

Are the Urbanmech and Proliferation cycle boxes two different flavours of joke boxes or can they legitimately see play?

They have seven and twelve minis in them, respectively, so that can be seven or twelve of anything you want. BT isn't the type of game where you have to worry about if a mini is sufficiently powerful enough for your money, proxying is part of the rules and anyone who doesn't let you do it is wrong.

Saint Celestine posted:

Some of the urbanmech variants are kinda useful.

Unless you're playing with field gun rules

Defiance Industries fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Aug 14, 2023

# ? Aug 14, 2023 23:16

Strobe: Jun 30, 2014; GW BRAINWORMS CREW

I think they meant the Urbanmech Lance which has four different Urbie models, rather than the company of 12 identical Urbie models.

# ? Aug 14, 2023 23:59

Defiance Industries: Jul 22, 2010; A five-star manufacturer

Well that's still four miniatures that you can use however you want.

# ? Aug 15, 2023 00:55

FrostyPox: Feb 8, 2012

I am 2/3 of the way through Ideal War

I definitely read this book before but don't remember any of it beyond one or two scenes

The Wobbies sure are some bastards, huh?

Random thoughts:

-Cell phones don't exist, or at least wireless communication outside of military radios doesn't exist, people are literally sending messengers to talk to people
-I wonder if BattleTech had been invented in 2004 and this book written in 2013, instead of 1984 and 1993 respectively, if WoB would've been talking about points like in a video game instead of as profits and debits (all though that is still pretty topical in this, TYOOL 2023)

FrostyPox fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Aug 15, 2023

# ? Aug 15, 2023 00:58

TheDiceMustRoll: Jul 23, 2018

I am really hating Heir to the Dragon.

Otherwise, I picked up the Snord box recently and christ - its 40$ for four mechs now. Used to be a man could get a lance for 27. Now....

(im canadian)

I get that inflation slapped us all but ten bucks a mini is pretty steep.

# ? Aug 15, 2023 03:27

Strobe: Jun 30, 2014; GW BRAINWORMS CREW

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

I am really hating Heir to the Dragon.

Otherwise, I picked up the Snord box recently and christ - its 40$ for four mechs now. Used to be a man could get a lance for 27. Now....

(im canadian)

I get that inflation slapped us all but ten bucks a mini is pretty steep.

The Mercenaries boxes are all more expensive than the non-Mercenaries lance packs. They're actually the highest cost per mini of any product right now, I think (outside the Beginner box).

# ? Aug 15, 2023 03:52

Sidesaddle Cavalry: Mar 15, 2013; Oh Boy Desert Map

A lot of them have alternate posed 'Mechs with interchangeable jump jet plumes as accessories

# ? Aug 15, 2023 04:01

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

I am really hating Heir to the Dragon.

Wolf Pack is like that, but moreso. If it ain't your thing then you can skip it.

# ? Aug 15, 2023 04:37

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Note to self: while running two lances at skill 2 is a lot of fun, you should never ever allow yourself to be outnumbered by the clans.

# ? Aug 15, 2023 04:41

Sidesaddle Cavalry: Mar 15, 2013; Oh Boy Desert Map

Getting outnumbered by the Clans is how you get a Fire Moth D or G to shoot you in the back

# ? Aug 15, 2023 07:08

Saint Celestine: Dec 17, 2008; Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.
- Saint Sabbat, Lessons; Grimey Drawer

Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:

Getting outnumbered by the Clans is how you get a Fire Moth D or G to shoot you in the back

I found something almost as bad as the Fire Moth-

Ion Sparrow (Butcherbird). drat thing jumps 10 and the C variant has a TC. And its cheap. for about 1k BV you can jump around at +5 TMM and be practically unhittable unless someone is running pulses and a good pilot.

# ? Aug 15, 2023 07:38

Z the IVth: Jan 28, 2009; The trouble with your "expendable machines"; Fun Shoe

Defiance Industries posted:

Well that's still four miniatures that you can use however you want.

I wish they still sold the company pack as 12 of the little critters would be hilarious if nothing else. As it stands the new lance pack is much more expensive at £6/mech compared to the older stuff so it's harder to justify.

# ? Aug 15, 2023 08:16

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:

Getting outnumbered by the Clans is how you get a Fire Moth D or G to shoot you in the back

Despite the final outcome, the Fire Moth did not survive its encounter with my Devastator. Didn't get anywhere near my rear.

# ? Aug 15, 2023 08:58

NoNotTheMindProbe: Aug 9, 2010; pony porn was here

Z the IVth posted:

Are the Urbanmech and Proliferation cycle boxes two different flavours of joke boxes or can they legitimately see play?

Why wouldn't you want to field a Mackie?

e. Most the Proliferation mechs have updated variants:

Mackie - MSK-9H - Star League variant
Ymir - BWP-3A - Star League variant
Gladiator - GLD-5R - Jihad variant
BattleAxe - BKX-8D - Jihad variant
Icarus II - ICR-2R - Republic variant
Firebee - FRB-3E - Jihad variant
Coyotl - it's a Clan Omni so it's always relevant. It's latest variants are Dark Age/IlClan era

NoNotTheMindProbe fucked around with this message at 12:24 on Aug 15, 2023

# ? Aug 15, 2023 12:05

PeterWeller: Apr 21, 2003; I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

Z the IVth posted:

Are the Urbanmech and Proliferation cycle boxes two different flavours of joke boxes or can they legitimately see play?

I'm going to use the hell out of the Firebee.

Z the IVth posted:

I wish they still sold the company pack as 12 of the little critters would be hilarious if nothing else. As it stands the new lance pack is much more expensive at £6/mech compared to the older stuff so it's harder to justify.

You can still get the company pack on the Catalyst site.

# ? Aug 15, 2023 12:52

Fearless: Sep 3, 2003; DRINK MORE MOXIE

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Why wouldn't you want to field a Mackie?

e. Most the Proliferation mechs have updated variants:

Mackie - MSK-9H - Star League variant
Ymir - BWP-3A - Star League variant
Gladiator - GLD-5R - Jihad variant
BattleAxe - BKX-8D - Jihad variant
Icarus II - ICR-2R - Republic variant
Firebee - FRB-3E - Jihad variant
Coyotl - it's a Clan Omni so it's always relevant. It's latest variants are Dark Age/IlClan era

The Mackie 9H is certainly no joke. They're big and slow, but they pack a mean punch.

# ? Aug 15, 2023 13:15

Z the IVth: Jan 28, 2009; The trouble with your "expendable machines"; Fun Shoe

PeterWeller posted:

You can still get the company pack on the Catalyst site.

By the time I pay shipping and tax to get it across the pond I might as well buy 3 lances.

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Why wouldn't you want to field a Mackie?

e. Most the Proliferation mechs have updated variants:

Mackie - MSK-9H - Star League variant
Ymir - BWP-3A - Star League variant
Gladiator - GLD-5R - Jihad variant
BattleAxe - BKX-8D - Jihad variant
Icarus II - ICR-2R - Republic variant
Firebee - FRB-3E - Jihad variant
Coyotl - it's a Clan Omni so it's always relevant. It's latest variants are Dark Age/IlClan era

This is good to know and I think I will buy it then...

# ? Aug 15, 2023 14:36

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

Z the IVth posted:

I wish they still sold the company pack as 12 of the little critters would be hilarious if nothing else. As it stands the new lance pack is much more expensive at £6/mech compared to the older stuff so it's harder to justify.

Where's my hundreds of Savannah Masters pack?

It would be a funny gimmick product as a limited run if they did it as just several sheets of cardboard counters.

# ? Aug 15, 2023 15:26

FishFood: Apr 1, 2012; Now with brine shrimp!

I actually think the Urbanmech packs are more than a meme, but only if you're doing campaign play. The company pack would let a GM paint up three lances in different colors for various planetary militias their players might face. It's the battletech equivalent of a box of goblins.

I kind of wish the Urbie lance box had a SuburbanMech in there (but it wouldn't look much different than the standard one so it's understandable) and I definitely wish the company pack had some alternate poses, but I don't think they're complete joke products.

# ? Aug 15, 2023 16:05

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Man the Catapult has a lot of weird variants but none that just seem to be the great stock variant but better.

E: I suppose the C1b is.

Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Aug 15, 2023

# ? Aug 15, 2023 16:54

Sidesaddle Cavalry: Mar 15, 2013; Oh Boy Desert Map

Flipswitch posted:

Man the Catapult has a lot of weird variants but none that just seem to be the great stock variant but better.

E: I suppose the C1b is.

CPLT-C5A has DHS, two LRM15s w/ ArtIV, and 4 ERMLs

# ? Aug 15, 2023 17:00

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Ooh. We don't play that late? In the time line but that is handy to know. Thanks!

# ? Aug 15, 2023 17:32

GD_American: Jul 21, 2004; LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

I always thought it was dumb that they brought back the Mackie as an actual, in-production Mech.

We don't mass-produce trebuchets or other 600 year old implements of war

# ? Aug 15, 2023 17:39

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 15:11

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

GD_American posted:

I always thought it was dumb that they brought back the Mackie as an actual, in-production Mech.

We don't mass-produce trebuchets or other 600 year old implements of war

I think of it more like the VW bug that came out around y2k to leverage nostalgia. Yeah only like 40 years but the BT timeline stagnates and stretches.

# ? Aug 15, 2023 17:45

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