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studios attempt to force writers to also act. bonus points if it triggers an immediate follow-up strike
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:So what would it mean, realistically, for any new or pending productions if WGA gets a deal signed while SAG-AFTRA's still on strike? Even if the writers are back on board, I can't imagine much will actually happen while the actors refuse to work. WGA and SAG-AFTRA are aligned on the core issues of streaming residuals and AI, so a deal with one union will get the AMPTP close to a deal with the other. As far as production is concerned, it all begins with the writers anyway so the studios will be happy to have content ready to shoot.
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WGA writers can work on productions that get filmed abroad with foreign actors, too.
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yeah ok
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Feldegast42 posted:yeah ok It is actually back. Which is great, because I didn't want to have to explain to my kids (who love the show) where it went.
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quote:Hollywood studios have made a new offer to striking screenwriters that includes concessions on issues such as the use of artificial intelligence and access to viewer data, according to people familiar with the discussions.
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Sounds somewhat promising!
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Don't see anything in there about streaming residuals. The mention of the 20% increase says networks other than the one a show originally aired on. Maybe releasing the hours viewed data will be playing into a new residual structure?
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No, no, you misunderstood. We said we'd let you see the data, we never agreed to any sort of remuneration based on it.
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Feels like the AMPTP leaked this so they can say "look how generous we're being, these writers are so greedy!" WGA made it clear to members that they wouldn't be sharing details until there was something worth sharing. The 20% residual bump would only be meaningful for network & cable, and no writers are complaining about those residuals. It still doesn't address the streaming problem -- for a show produced by Netflix that airs on Netflix, there would be no pay bump.
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Sounds somewhat less promising!
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It's a negotiation. No one's going to get everything they wanted, this isn't a children's book.
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Plus, these are, you know, negotiations plural. Nothing is final until both sides agree.
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The 5% raise is the obvious non-controversial one because I assume the WGA expected 5 from the start.
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If they offer 4 and you ask for 6, you absolutely expected 5.
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https://twitter.com/jonrog1/status/1691909149729439757
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At this point, what parent company (& Disney) would suffer the most from a drawn out pair of strikes? National Amusements can't show movies in theaters so they'd have to lean on their unscripted TV shows across the US (CBS), UK (5) and Australia (10) WBD (the Discovery part) is mostly built on reality TV but they're so deep in debt that they'd need 50 films to gross a billion so odds are they'd sell themselves to a insane billionaire or some other corporation Disney likely would lean on theme parks, non-union TV, nuclear armaments and sports rights to weather the storm. Columbia and Universal are owned by Sony and Comcast and neither have film/TV as their main business. It'll hurt but won't kill them. Comcast already employs Lovecraftian horror in their company. Netflix will likely import any foreign drama under the sun and hope that some are astro... I mean go viral.
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Any of the companies that own regular TV channels that have to sell ads to advertisers. So NBC/Universal, Disney (ABC), Fox, Viacom/CBS. The companies that are streaming-only can conceivably hold out longer. WBD gutted scripted programming from their cable channels last year so I don't imagine that they will have as many issues even though they own TBS/TNT, etc.
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Aug 16, 2023 22:43
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lol that's been the main sticking point with the writers I know. They're hyper-aware of further opportunities and advancement being nil if mini-rooms become/remain the norm.
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feedmyleg posted:lol that's been the main sticking point with the writers I know. They're hyper-aware of further opportunities and advancement being nil if mini-rooms become/remain the norm. Yeah literally every writer I know is in favor of the minimums. Maybe they’ll let auteur showrunners apply for waivers or something as long as it’s a miniseries. I’m fine with Craig Mazin writing all 5 episodes of Chernobyl, but Taylor Sheridan writing 47 episodes of Yellowstone is unnecessary and dumb. (oh yeah plus 18 episodes of the prequels). Also this is like the 4th or 5th time the AMPTP has agreed to media blackouts and then just leaked poo poo as soon as they think they have a talking point to cling to.
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Argyle posted:but Taylor Sheridan writing 47 episodes of Yellowstone is unnecessary and dumb. (oh yeah plus 18 episodes of the prequels). Why though? As far as I undertand it, he just likes to work like that, is well compensated for it and doesn't take advantage of anyone else doing it this way.
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Yeah about that... https://twitter.com/palmerrachelc/status/1691950282442457597 It's not specifically calling out Sheridan, but given the amount of shade being thrown his way on twitter right now it seems safe to say it's about Sheridan.
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Argyle posted:but Taylor Sheridan writing 47 episodes of Yellowstone is unnecessary and dumb. (oh yeah plus 18 episodes of the prequels). I mean, out of 110 episodes in Babylon 5, J. Michael Straczynski wrote 92 of them, and that show turned out pretty well.
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howe_sam posted:Yeah about that... It’s a pretty bad idea imo. Hiring writers for the sake of it.
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Seems like an uncharitable way to frame it and even so... Oh no... People getting jobs.
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Vegetable posted:A minimum staff size doesn’t solve this problem. If a showrunner wants to take credit for unpaid people’s work, they can still do it. Alternatively, it's a means of ensuring that workloads stay manageable while preserving opportunities for writers with less experience. Timby posted:I mean, out of 110 episodes in Babylon 5, J. Michael Straczynski wrote 92 of them, and that show turned out pretty well.
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Palmtree Panic posted:Netflix renewing Glow and then cancelling it made me just kind of give up on their service. They did this with The Society and it really pissed me off. That show was much better than I expected and I was really happy that they renewed it. Netflix got me looking forward to season two and then cancelled it not long after they renewed it. What the gently caress, Netflix? 
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GaussianCopula posted:Why though? Timby posted:I mean, out of 110 episodes in Babylon 5, J. Michael Straczynski wrote 92 of them, and that show turned out pretty well. Vegetable posted:A minimum staff size doesn’t solve this problem. If a showrunner wants to take credit for unpaid people’s work, they can still do it. I admit I was a little grumpy and sleep-deprived when I posted. I was speaking from my own experience working in comedy, which is much more collaborative than drama. Having a big room full of diverse perspectives is great for comedy writing. Drama writing is a lot more individually-focused, but there’s still a lot of collaboration with breaking stories and coming up with season arcs. And yes, I realize that it was dumb to cite 2 drama shows when I’ve never worked in drama. Minimum staffing is necessary because rooms are getting smaller every year, and the studios would be thrilled to only hire one writer per show if they could get away with it. And according to our old contract, they can! There’s nothing in the contract that requires any form of writers room, period. That’s a loophole that the studios are exploiting more and more every year, and we can’t let them endlessly eliminate writing jobs. That said, a lot of my favorite shows have come from solo writers, and I don’t want those writers to feel handcuffed to a staff that they’re not even going to use. I think a possible solution would be in the form of waivers, where an auteur showrunner can ask the guild for an exception to the staffing minimum. I don’t know if that means they can truly work alone, or they’re only obligated to hire a couple part-time consulting producers, or what. Showrunners are in charge of hiring anyway, so there wouldn’t be anyone in the room that they don’t want to be there. This is a problem that exists right on the front lines of art vs. commerce — how do we allow these types of writers to make the best product they can, while still protecting jobs and preventing the studios from exploiting tiny rooms. These auteur TV writers are a small minority and I think their creative wishes can be respected, but the Guild has to be very careful about carving out exceptions to rules that would otherwise benefit the rest of the members. The bottom line is that 99% of shows on TV have a staff, and 99% of showrunners want a good-sized staff. The Guild wants to ensure that one-writer-per-show doesn’t become the norm instead of the exception. edit: At the end of the day I don’t personally care if Taylor Sheridan wants to write 100 episodes of Yellowstone all by himself. But I do take issue with him loudly complaining in the press that hiring a writing staff is bad, actually, while the Guild is fighting to protect the other 99% of working TV writers. Some of my friends haven’t worked in over a year because of the mini room epidemic. Argyle fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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Argyle posted:I think a possible solution would be in the form of waivers, where an auteur showrunner can ask the guild for an exception to the staffing minimum. I don’t know if that means they can truly work alone, or they’re only obligated to hire a couple part-time consulting producers, or what. Showrunners are in charge of hiring anyway, so there wouldn’t be anyone in the room that they don’t want to be there. I can totally see situations where studios will take advantage of that, such as telling a writer that if he does the whole season by himself they'll give him triple the money plus extras or something, making it a huge conflict of interest. So the waiver thing might not fly or would need to be heavily monitored and potentially discouraging financially.
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...! posted:They did this with The Society and it really pissed me off. That show was much better than I expected and I was really happy that they renewed it. Netflix got me looking forward to season two and then cancelled it not long after they renewed it. netflix just seems uniquely awful in communicating any of this. on top of even promoting movies and tv shows that are actually premiering
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Background actors say they're already losing work to AI.quote:About five years ago, Nicole Kreuzer had a brief stint on The Mandalorian, a space Western that is part of the Star Wars franchise. She remembers dressing as a desert dweller and a set that was “very space punk, very industrial.” During her time there, the actors’ phones were locked away to safeguard production details. Then, without notice, she was told to undergo scanning. In a trailer, she stood on a platform while more than 100 cameras captured her digital likeness, all under the direction of a disembodied male voice. She asked what would be done with the images. “We can make you leap over buildings. We can make you fight,” she recalled the voice saying.
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ashpanash posted:I can totally see situations where studios will take advantage of that, such as telling a writer that if he does the whole season by himself they'll give him triple the money plus extras or something, making it a huge conflict of interest. So the waiver thing might not fly or would need to be heavily monitored and potentially discouraging financially. It’s the kind of thing that used to be governed by “good faith”, but the studios have made it clear that they’re no longer interested in good faith. They’re going to find and exploit every loophole in the contract unless we make some very carefully worded rules.
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https://twitter.com/alexnpress/status/1692570822446137425 That seems like a very Charlie Kaufman thing to do.
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No no, they just hosed up and didn't notice they were also interviewing Donald Kaufman.
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WGA West put out a report about how Disney, Amazon, and Netflix are 'the new gatekeepers'.
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AI-Created Art Isn’t Copyrightable, Judge Says in Ruling That Could Give Hollywood Studios Pause Purely AI-generated art does not qualify for copyright protection, but “…work created with the help of AI can support a copyright claim if a human ‘selected or arranged’ it in a ‘sufficiently creative way that the resulting work constitutes an original work of authorship’”. So this ruling keeps the doors open for studios to use AI as a tool. Have an AI spit out 10,000 ideas for a Spider-Man movie and make a human sort through it and cobble together a script.
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Argyle posted:AI-Created Art Isn’t Copyrightable, Judge Says in Ruling That Could Give Hollywood Studios Pause The Copyright Office's guidance document on this is fairly readable (and makes a lot of sense to me). Section III is the most relevant part.
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I really wish these strikes would end. A friend of mine works in costuming and is struggling and it's breaking my heart. Just pay the loving actors and writers
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Cartridgeblowers posted:I really wish these strikes would end. A friend of mine works in costuming and is struggling and it's breaking my heart. Just pay the loving actors and writers Seriously, my wife’s in costumes and she’s working on her UK visa just to get work. She did turn down a permitted movie recently though because they wouldn’t let her hire an ACD or a key. Fuckin producers man
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How! posted:they wouldn’t let her hire an ACD or a key. lol jesus christ what is happening in this industry
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