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Looking forward to the cool zone where Trump wins election in 2024 and is sentenced to a 5-year term in Georgian prison before inauguration.
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Tayter Swift posted:Looking forward to the cool zone where Trump wins election in 2024 and is sentenced to a 5-year term in Georgian prison before inauguration. There is a non-zero probability. I told my mom this earlier today and she didn't take it well.
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Is it true in Georgia that the onus is on the defendant to prove they are not a risk for witness tampering/intimidation in order to be released on bail? I mean the chances are zero I'm sure but if that's true it'll be interesting to see how the judge weasels out of it, and what reasoning they use could be insightful.
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Tayter Swift posted:Looking forward to the cool zone where Trump wins election in 2024 and is sentenced to a 5-year term in Georgian prison before inauguration. Bonus points if it's the other Georgia for some reason.
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Rescue Toaster posted:Is it true in Georgia that the onus is on the defendant to prove they are not a risk for witness tampering/intimidation in order to be released on bail? I mean the chances are zero I'm sure but if that's true it'll be interesting to see how the judge weasels out of it, and what reasoning they use could be insightful. It is up to the court to make the determination. Tayter Swift posted:Looking forward to the cool zone where Trump wins election in 2024 and is sentenced to a 5-year term in Georgian prison before inauguration. I wonder if the other Georgia would be interested in a prisoner swap
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Ither posted:This is great, but I was hoping that Lindsey Graham would be caught up in this. Same but for Roger Stone. Really hate that guy.
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mdemone posted:We could have this theoretical debate but I admit I'd probably lose. Honestly, it probably does go too far and could VERY easily be horribly abused- and potentially has. But when you use it for it's explicitly intended purpose against organized crime like the mafia or Trump's election overturning scheme it's actually really great. It's one of those things that probably needs stricter standards so government can't abuse it easily but obviously still exist for situations like this.
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That is I note why it's so rarely used, judges and grand juries agree that it's extremely powerful so it generally won't get charged or will get thrown out if there's not exceedingly compelling evidence of a conspiracy. In this case there's a ton of it, because he did most of this poo poo in the public view and life-tweeted MyCrimes.txt.
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CapnAndy posted:I mean, it really should, it plugs a loophole that was getting actively abused by actual crime-doers. The supreme court has already ruled on these eventualities. They have even opined at length regarding the role of an individual "leading from behind". The legal precedent even has a RICO flavor in that all are parties to the crime. It is given the name 'treason'. See page 21 of this thread for some fun details. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4004152&pagenumber=21&perpage=40&userid=0#post524322811 Here's a good one: "if a body of people conspire... to resist or oppose the execution of any statute of the United States by force, they are only guilty of a high misdemeanor; but if they proceed to carry such intention into execution by force, they are guilty of the treason of levying war". RICO is kinda a modernized version operating below the federal level. It leverages a conspiracy to escalate charges to the entire group. And  in 3, 2, 1, ...
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Uglycat posted:Death inshallah
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For those who don't know, RICO is also how they finally got R. Kelly after he'd gotten away with decades of kid loving and other abuses Much like with Trump, there was a fuckton of evidence and he always squirmed away...until they hit the RICO button, and now the dude is gonna die in prison.
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RICO has badly hosed me in more than one run of Liberal Crime Squad so I can only assume it's going to do the same to Donny and the Gang. Really glad to see some of those other fuckers on the hook, because either they go through a trial or they flip and make the case even stronger. I'm deeply curious to see what happens if the trial is ongoing at the time of inauguration in 2025 should he win, or the shitshow of him being sentenced while President. But not as much as I want to see him and his entire treasonous cabal convicted just before he gets beat like Mondale
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RICO started and will now end Rudy’s career
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If trump ends up convicted and imprisoned before the next election, he leaves a giant void, the absence of a charismatic and ideological figurehead that the gop no longer institutionally knows how to work without, so much so that most people in the party don't dare talk down on the king. What happens when you lose this weird mobster who beat the entire rest of the party into submission and uselessness? What happens to a party that now has a single person as the existential anchor for their existence, and this person goes down in flames with nobody even remotely capable of replicating his charismatic attraction to the base? How do you even deal with that kind of downticket event? How frozen out will the entire party be when there's a giant collective loss of hope on trump? Mondale is quite an alien outcome in modern times, but that's the closest you could come to replicating it..
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Trump indicated His reply is tired and repetitious. Not even in caps this time.
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OgNar posted:Trump indicated I feel like this isn't him, it's not just that it's low energy - though it is - but some of the formulations don't vibe right imo. He's not even directly alleging that either Jack Smith or the Biden Crime Family engineered all the indictments as a coordinated plot. Kavros posted:If trump ends up convicted and imprisoned before the next election, he leaves a giant void, the absence of a charismatic and ideological figurehead that the gop no longer institutionally knows how to work without, so much so that most people in the party don't dare talk down on the king. What happens when you lose this weird mobster who beat the entire rest of the party into submission and uselessness? What happens to a party that now has a single person as the existential anchor for their existence, and this person goes down in flames with nobody even remotely capable of replicating his charismatic attraction to the base? All I'll say about trying to figure this out is that I'm glad my PoliSci degree is fifteen years in the rearview mirror because lol, lmao, the poor kids studying it today. Actually the other thing I'll say is I'm glad I'm not a GOP strategist and lol, lmao, but they deserve to suffer
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OgNar posted:Trump indicated Yeah reads like a staffer post. They're obviously doing the dumbass misspellings for verisimilitude but it's extremely  and !Jeb¡ energy.Or else they have him drugged up
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Kavros posted:How do you even deal with that kind of downticket event? How frozen out will the entire party be when there's a giant collective loss of hope on trump? Mondale is quite an alien outcome in modern times, but that's the closest you could come to replicating it.. Well the closest comparison would be A.hitler getting stuck in prison for a few months. What happened to the Nazi party during that time? I think we all know how it went afterwards.
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Comstar posted:Well the closest comparison would be A.hitler getting stuck in prison for a few months. Except trump wouldn’t survive a three year stretch at coffee correctional.
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OgNar posted:Trump indicated I love that his argument is "why did they wait so long? why didn't they indict me 2 years ago?" As if building a criminal case and gathering evidence takes no time at all
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I’m guessing he (or his staffer) was told by the lawyers not to respond to any actual charges, since that would create evidence. So he can only talk about stuff around the edges, like the timeline.
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Trump Legal Troubles: RICO's Roughnecks
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Liquid Communism posted:That is I note why it's so rarely used, judges and grand juries agree that it's extremely powerful so it generally won't get charged or will get thrown out if there's not exceedingly compelling evidence of a conspiracy. You doing a press conference on a loving criminal conspiracy?
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Yeah RICO ties up his social media hands unlike any of the other indictments. Any use of "we", "us", "them", etc further risks defining the organization. Acting like a mob boss and using suggestive Mafia language while being hit with Mafia laws is generally a very very very bad idea. Georgia might have finally shut him up, moreso than federal judges indirectly threatening him. Friendship ended with DOJ, now Georgia is best friend
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someone with actual law knowledge: what is the difference between the federal RICO act (the one people think of) and georgia's own peculiar version of RICO? as an aside, rico seems entirely appropriate for trump and his way of breaking the law is pretty much exactly the style of crime it's historically been intended to deal with. it's an almost elegant fit to his roundabout but entirely intentional yet just-deniable-enough way of getting people to do things Judge Schnoopy posted:Yeah RICO ties up his social media hands unlike any of the other indictments. Any use of "we", "us", "them", etc further risks defining the organization. Acting like a mob boss and using suggestive Mafia language while being hit with Mafia laws is generally a very very very bad idea. yeah it's pretty much a perfect fit for how he operates, it's funny because he doesn't even really have any other way of communicating or trying to compel people to do things other than that Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Aug 15, 2023 |
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BiggerBoat posted:I love that his argument is "why did they wait so long? why didn't they indict me 2 years ago?" It's the same stupid bullshit he kept going on about with "you should have stopped me!" whenever Hillary brought up his unethical business practices or financial crimes. As bait for the low-info voters and Republican base (but I repeat myself) it's perfect because we live in a time where people expect things to happen instantly and most people in general have no idea how long it can take for something to work through the justice system, especially if you care about doing it right and not (for example) let a bunch of domestic terrorists go free after illegally taking over a wildlife refuge.
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Unfortunately Trump going down will not destroy the Republican party. The chuds hate liberals way too much. They almost elected Herschel Walker, a profoundly immoral man who very obviously has brain damage, to the senate, because he had an R next to his name. And this was in a battleground state.
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Kavros posted:If trump ends up convicted and imprisoned before the next election, he leaves a giant void, the absence of a charismatic and ideological figurehead that the gop no longer institutionally knows how to work without, so much so that most people in the party don't dare talk down on the king. What happens when you lose this weird mobster who beat the entire rest of the party into submission and uselessness? What happens to a party that now has a single person as the existential anchor for their existence, and this person goes down in flames with nobody even remotely capable of replicating his charismatic attraction to the base? He can still run from prison.
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Trump hasn’t even had time for his morning Diet Coke, let’s at least wait until noon before deciding he won’t tweet out new evidence
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So any bets on how many of the 30 unindicted co-conspirators were senators or representatives? More or less that 15.5?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:He can still run from prison. Twitter was his most frequent, most popular, and furthest reaching campaign platform. He can run from wherever he wants but without social media access he's absolutely useless in appealing to 70 million voters
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Yoshi Wins posted:Unfortunately Trump going down will not destroy the Republican party. The chuds hate liberals way too much. They almost elected Herschel Walker, a profoundly immoral man who very obviously has brain damage, to the senate, because he had an R next to his name. And this was in a battleground state. that's not fair, he also did football 40 years ago
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Herstory Begins Now posted:someone with actual law knowledge: what is the difference between the federal RICO act (the one people think of) and georgia's own peculiar version of RICO? New York Times has a very good explainer on it. quote:Like the federal law on which it is based, the state RICO law was originally designed to dismantle organized crime groups, but over the years it has come to be used to prosecute other crimes, from white collar Ponzi and embezzlement schemes to public corruption cases. Oracle fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Aug 15, 2023 |
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smackfu posted:I’m guessing he (or his staffer) was told by the lawyers not to respond to any actual charges, since that would create evidence. So he can only talk about stuff around the edges, like the timeline. lol you think trump listens to his lawyers
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Yoshi Wins posted:Unfortunately Trump going down will not destroy the Republican party. The chuds hate liberals way too much. They almost elected Herschel Walker, a profoundly immoral man who very obviously has brain damage, to the senate, because he had an R next to his name. And this was in a battleground state. Agreed. I have to wonder if Walker would have actually won if he were white. There's got to be at least 5% of GA GOP voters that have a no blacks allowed attitude.
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