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gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

there's obviously a difference between "anti-welfarism" while everyone still has a job, and "anti-welfarism" where you're just cutting benefits, end-of.

those people comparing China to Clintonian policy are morons

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# ? May 27, 2024 12:43

this allusion meant: Apr 9, 2006

euphronius posted:

is Xi more Maoist then Deng et Al. asking for real I do not know. he doesn�t seem so

my take is that xi is correcting back to deng after the liberal excesses of jiang and hu

# ? Aug 16, 2023 02:20

cenotaph: Mar 2, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

there's obviously a difference between "anti-welfarism" while everyone still has a job, and "anti-welfarism" where you're just cutting benefits, end-of.

those people comparing China to Clintonian policy are morons

Correct

# ? Aug 16, 2023 02:20

Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

this allusion meant posted:

my take is that xi is correcting back to deng after the liberal excesses of jiang and hu

those liberal excesses got a bunch of dipshit capitalists to transfer all their ip and productive capacity to china so I�d say they�ve all ridden the dialectic like champions

# ? Aug 16, 2023 02:30

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

Maximo Roboto posted:

lmao the responses this is generating

https://twitter.com/AnthonyFloresOK/status/1691553209230172648

https://twitter.com/jdcmedlock/status/1691518676888064000

word salad:

https://twitter.com/GrahamGallaghe9/status/1691524844611928064

https://twitter.com/HegelwCrmCheese/status/1691523730768285697

https://twitter.com/un_a_valeable/status/1691515516438106112

# ? Aug 16, 2023 02:51

Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

cat botherer posted:

This is why you should never read any thread on the orange site that isn’t about the new version of react or w/e. Nobody Dunning-Krugers like those nerds.

I’m a rather progressive individual but I recognize that violence is the ultimate authority in this world.

SF is what happens when individuals are encouraged to not defend themselves or their property.

# ? Aug 16, 2023 03:01

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

cat botherer posted:

This is why you should never read any thread on the orange site that isn�t about the new version of react or w/e. Nobody Dunning-Krugers like those nerds.

the non-technical topics have the funniest responses

# ? Aug 16, 2023 03:03

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

North Korea says Travis King wants refuge from mistreatment, racism in US

quote:

SEOUL, Aug 16 (Reuters) - North Korea concluded that Travis King wants refuge there or in another country because of "inhuman maltreatment and racial discrimination" in the U.S. and the military, state media said on Wednesday, Pyongyang's first public acknowledgement of King's crossing from South Korea on July 18.

A private in the U.S. Army, King dashed into the North while on a civilian tour of the Joint Security Area (JSA) on the heavily fortified border between the two Koreas.

U.S. officials have said they believe King crossed the border intentionally, and have declined so far to classify him as a prisoner of war.

North Korean investigators have also concluded that King crossed deliberately and illegally, with the intent to stay in the North or in a third country, state news agency KCNA said.

"During the investigation, Travis King confessed that he had decided to come over to the DPRK as he harbored ill feeling against inhuman maltreatment and racial discrimination within the U.S. Army," KCNA reported, using the initials of North Korea's official name. "He also expressed his willingness to seek refugee in the DPRK or a third country, saying that he was disillusioned at the unequal American society."

north korea ftw

# ? Aug 16, 2023 05:21

Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

dudes rock

# ? Aug 16, 2023 05:30

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/tphuang/status/1691034577937035265

boat number go up

# ? Aug 16, 2023 07:21

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

i say swears online posted:

insane how so many people think xi is like a turkmenbashi, emptying the treasury to make a rotating golden statue of himself

In their minds a high speed rail network is as useless as a giant golden statue.

# ? Aug 16, 2023 07:46

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

gradenko_2000 posted:

there's obviously a difference between "anti-welfarism" while everyone still has a job, and "anti-welfarism" where you're just cutting benefits, end-of.

those people comparing China to Clintonian policy are morons

As China increases automation they're going to have to come up with an answer on what to do with all the labour it frees up though.

Similarly it is conceivable that the push for ever more education ends up in a state where uni graduates outpace the available uni jobs. Can't run an economy off of just uni jobs obviously.

Plus there is the thing where not everyone can work hard to improve their own situation. But then I know nothing about how China treats handicapped people, for instance. Also not at all clear that China is actually in either situation from my first two sentences.

# ? Aug 16, 2023 07:59

Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/osamabishounen/status/1691628879679730040
https://twitter.com/osamabishounen/status/1691691690351038619

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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

not going to read any of the tweets posted on the last 2 pages :cheers:

# ? Aug 16, 2023 14:23

Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/dylanleviking/status/1691738685518295439
https://twitter.com/dylanleviking/status/1691738688915677591
https://twitter.com/dylanleviking/status/1691738697950277675

# ? Aug 16, 2023 14:33

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

AnimeIsTrash posted:

not going to read any of the tweets posted on the last 2 pages

# ? Aug 16, 2023 15:04

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Well, is there a word for "incel" in Korean? There is no word for incel in Chinese, some people try to translate it as "basement dwelling nerd", no its not the same thing buddy.

# ? Aug 16, 2023 15:24

Cpt_Obvious: Jun 18, 2007

Some want to go to war with these people.

https://twitter.com/TripInChina/status/1691740832779444479

# ? Aug 16, 2023 15:34

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

the shooter that perpetrated the deadliest mass shooting in the united states by far had a girlfriend

# ? Aug 16, 2023 15:37

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Some want to go to war with these people.

https://twitter.com/TripInChina/status/1691740832779444479

but at what cost to rent the equipment and the time on the wall

# ? Aug 16, 2023 15:39

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

comedyblissoption posted:

the shooter that perpetrated the deadliest mass shooting in the united states by far had a girlfriend

There are so many, the Vegas hotel guy?

# ? Aug 16, 2023 15:40

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

stephenthinkpad posted:

There are so many, the Vegas hotel guy?

vegas hotel guy was a very hungry boy

# ? Aug 16, 2023 15:44

Gildiss: Aug 24, 2010; Grimey Drawer

stephenthinkpad posted:

Well, is there a word for "incel" in Korean? There is no word for incel in Chinese, some people try to translate it as "basement dwelling nerd", no its not the same thing buddy.

한남충 is the general term for piece of poo poo korean guy.

Means Korean Man Insect.

I think they just use the english word incel for that group specifically though.

# ? Aug 16, 2023 16:32

mark immune: Dec 14, 2019; put the teacher in the cope cage imo

government girlfriends, comped

# ? Aug 16, 2023 16:45

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

mark immune posted:

government girlfriends, comped

mandatory gay marriage

# ? Aug 16, 2023 16:46

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

mark immune posted:

government girlfriends, comped

sir, here's your offer to join the new york times editorial board

# ? Aug 16, 2023 16:57

An Jung-geun: Sep 2, 2022

stephenthinkpad posted:

There is no word for incel in Chinese, some people try to translate it as "basement dwelling nerd", no its not the same thing buddy.

国男

in certain contexts, at least

# ? Aug 16, 2023 18:38

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Orange Devil posted:

As China increases automation they're going to have to come up with an answer on what to do with all the labour it frees up though.

yeah. the fear is that automation tech outpaces communism tech

Orange Devil posted:

Similarly it is conceivable that the push for ever more education ends up in a state where uni graduates outpace the available uni jobs. Can't run an economy off of just uni jobs obviously.

that's now. not referring to the silly Youth Unemployment Panic narrative pushed in the west because plenty of them have jobs, just not necessarily uni jobs

# ? Aug 16, 2023 19:22

Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

Orange Devil posted:

As China increases automation they're going to have to come up with an answer on what to do with all the labour it frees up though.

Similarly it is conceivable that the push for ever more education ends up in a state where uni graduates outpace the available uni jobs. Can't run an economy off of just uni jobs obviously.

Plus there is the thing where not everyone can work hard to improve their own situation. But then I know nothing about how China treats handicapped people, for instance. Also not at all clear that China is actually in either situation from my first two sentences.

The answer is obviously moon bases

# ? Aug 16, 2023 21:11

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

indigi posted:

yeah. the fear is that automation tech outpaces communism tech

that's now. not referring to the silly Youth Unemployment Panic narrative pushed in the west because plenty of them have jobs, just not necessarily uni jobs

It�s a real issue then because everything I know about Chinese education is that it is the highest intensity of competition nightmare. To go through that, even win it, and then come out the other side with all the qualifications everyone pushed you your whole life to get but no rewards is going to make anyone seriously question the system.

# ? Aug 16, 2023 22:15

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

yeah it's not ideal but I�m hopeful their government can figure it out in time

# ? Aug 16, 2023 22:18

Dante80: Mar 23, 2015

So, essentially the labor shortage demographics death spiral that China is "facing" due to the one child policy is going to be fully mitigated by the wave of automation coming to its industry? Like nearsightedness correcting your myopia as you grow older?

Another win for Xi.

# ? Aug 16, 2023 22:22

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

that's the ideal outcome but we'll see if it happens

# ? Aug 16, 2023 22:26

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

indigi posted:

yeah it's not ideal but I�m hopeful their government can figure it out in time

Same.

# ? Aug 16, 2023 22:31

Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

gonna be cool to see what china can do when they�re not surrounded by nukes and forced to make useless poo poo for amazon

# ? Aug 16, 2023 22:34

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

You guys know 1c policy ended around 2013 right? Different rural areas always had looser 1cp (if your only child is a girl, you can have another child. Yeah its weird.)

# ? Aug 16, 2023 22:37

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

stephenthinkpad posted:

You guys know 1c policy ended around 2013 right? Different rural areas always had looser 1cp (if your only child is a girl, you can have another child. Yeah its weird.)

dudes rocked

# ? Aug 16, 2023 22:42

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

if you aren't winning, just rethink and redefine what I it means to win
Rethinking who�s winning the US-China tech competition

www.defensenews.com posted:

A study earlier this year asserted China has a �stunning lead� in essential technologies. And it wasn�t the first time this claim has been made.

But are these claims based in reality? When assessing the global impact and reach of American companies like Amazon, Apple, OpenAI, Boeing, Moderna, Microsoft and Google, it�s not immediately clear the United States is lagging in technological innovation.

But the challenge is understanding exactly how to measure a �technology competition� or �strategic competition.� Typically, competitions involve scores, winners and losers. But how does one keep score in technology competition? Is it the number of patents, academic publications, leading educational institutions, or multibillion-dollar companies? Or is the appropriate scoring system a more complex mixture of these, and other, factors?

The competition between the U.S. and China is a multi-dimensional contest involving technological, economic, military, and political elements. To accurately assess the U.S.�s standing in this competition, we need to shift our focus from measures (raw numerical data) to metrics, which offer meaningful interpretations of these numbers. This pivot illuminates the contrasts between a free-market economy and a state-driven one.

To determine who�s winning a technology competition, it�s tempting to rely on conventional markers of scientific progress, such as scientific citations or patents, because they are objective and quantifiable. But doing so risks ignoring other factors with major implications for the outcome of a U.S.-China technology competition.

These metrics require more sophisticated measurement, interpretation, and analysis, which capture variation in quality, context, implementation and impact. If the U.S. focuses merely on trying to surpass China on individual measures of technological progress it will likely achieve empty victories yet fail to advance its national security interests.

Take, for example, attempts to measure U.S. and Chinese progress in the field of artificial intelligence. China�s has a large number of AI scientific articles and patents, suggesting Beijing�s global leadership in this area.

However, the U.S maintains a strong foothold in advanced AI developments, with organizations like OpenAI, Microsoft, and Alphabet leading in large language model creation and diffusion. These organizations are part of a broader innovation ecosystem that allows new technologies to thrive and be widely adopted throughout the global economy. U.S. tech unicorns � start-ups valued over a billion dollars � and the venture capital firms that back them signal both financial success and significant technological advancement.

In this thriving open market, a product of the U.S.�s commitment to an open society and the free exchange of ideas, metrics like commercial success, technology adoption and real-world impact become more telling than raw measures. These metrics, in the context of the strategic competition with China, underline the U.S.�s penchant for turning research into impactful, scalable innovations.

Focusing on metrics instead of measures will allow DoD officials to correctly view the development of emerging technology as a means to achieving specific policy or military ends. For example, as the DoD invests to develop technology within its 14 Critical Technology Areas, metrics should be developed to track progress toward filling specific operational demands.

Shifting the focus to metrics will also offer a more accurate picture of U.S.-China technological competition and capture critical U.S. strengths. While China boasts a population over four times that of the U.S. and a rapidly growing economy, by focusing on metrics, the U.S. can leverage its advantages. Features inherent to the U.S innovation system � robust IP protection, the prospect of high returns to innovation and strong government-university-industry linkages � stimulate creativity, encourage innovation, and foster entrepreneurship.

Furthermore, the U.S. strives, though imperfectly, to offer opportunities to everyone who desires them, eschewing artificial barriers and quotas and avoiding intellectual conformity. This commitment fuels a dynamic, diverse workforce that is a wellspring of ingenuity and innovation.

Focusing on these distinctively American characteristics would move the perspective from a strictly measure-based competition, where quantity can overshadow quality, to a nuanced, metrics-based view that links means to ends. This shift would allow the U.S. to leverage its strengths, uphold its core values, and lay the groundwork for navigating and succeeding in this strategic competition.

Jon Schmid is a political scientist at the nonprofit, nonpartisan RAND Corp.

lol at thinking "organizations like OpenAI, Microsoft, and Alphabet leading in large language model creation and diffusion" gives an advantage over China.

mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 23:18 on Aug 16, 2023

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Isentropy: Dec 12, 2010

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

I�m a rather progressive individual but I recognize that violence is the ultimate authority in this world.

SF is what happens when individuals are encouraged to not defend themselves or their property.

I would bet all my social credit points the OP of this post (not you) doesn�t know that that killing everyone hyped up was over petty personal tech billionaire poo poo

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Danann: Aug 4, 2013

mawarannahr posted:

if you aren't winning, just rethink and redefine what I it means to win
Rethinking who�s winning the US-China tech competition

lol at thinking "organizations like OpenAI, Microsoft, and Alphabet leading in large language model creation and diffusion" gives an advantage over China.

Chinese AI: Boring business AI that can do stuff like weigh cows.
Russian AI: Determine what a tank looks like in 240p and behind a bunch of trees.
Anglo AI: ChatGPT :patriot:

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