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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Palladium posted:

so wtf exploded in the 24 hours in here

This issue began yesterday, when Gamers Nexus released a video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGW3TPytTjc] tackling a number of issues at Linus Media Group, centering around unprofessional "reviews" of hardware that are so error-ridden that they should be considered misleading and damaging to consumer knowledge, and also encompassing ethics problems.

In particular, GN highlighted their dealings with a start-up called Billet Labs, who sent them a product for testing, that they then improperly tested, and then judged to be bad on the back of their improper testing, while also refusing to re-test when called-out on it, and then they auctioned off the product, despite Billet Labs specifically asking for it back, because it was a prototype for a product they were developing.

Linus's initial response to this video doubled-down, deflected blame, and refused to admit wrongdoing: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3byz3txpso]

Earlier today, one of their former employees posted about harassment and abuse that she received while working at the company: [https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1691693740254228741.html] (Content warning, and that thread-summary doesn't cover the whole thing, but you can follow the links back up to her full statement)

And then some time after that, Linus Media Group did come out with this "apology" video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cTpTMl8kFY], though this only covers their reaction to Gamers Nexus, and not to that twitter thread from their former employee. It's a total non-apology, because on top of being monetized, it also continues to contain jokes and sponsor spots.

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Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012
The allegations Madison dropped made me look at what Naomi Wu talked about last year again. Even if Linus wasn't the main source of Madison's harrasment, in my experience a work environment like that doesn't happen without the boss being okay with it and being a sexpest themselves.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006
https://twitter.com/SteelRat0/status/1691460351358078977

YouTube tech idiots fandom thread: Lienus Theft Tips: this is informative, and unfortunate

Profanity
Aug 26, 2005
Grimey Drawer

So Tech Jesus said to them, ”Unless you people see signs and wonders, you simply will not believe"

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

gradenko_2000 posted:

jfc i just remembered having an employee edit a video of him walking around his house butt rear end naked

What the flying gently caress?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Lecherous Tech, Tanks

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Honestly not even gonna watch or give a poo poo about their response, the madison thread is so bad they’ll never get their house in order lol are you kidding me, of course its just loving toxic and it’ll never change. Just the usual corpo boilerplate we hear you.

Harlock
Jan 15, 2006

Tap "A" to drink!!!

Lawman 0 posted:

What the flying gently caress?
When they got hacked on Youtube, LTT thought it was a good idea to release the security footage of Linus in his house when it happened. Nude, and sitting at his PC dealing with the situation.

kliras
Mar 27, 2021

Lawman 0 posted:

What the flying gently caress?
from when his channel got hacked and he had to get up and deal with it (or run around naked for content, depending on how you slice it)

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Harlock posted:

When they got hacked on Youtube, LTT thought it was a good idea to release the security footage of Linus in his house when it happened. Nude, and sitting at his PC dealing with the situation.

Why would you ever think that's a good idea? Holy poo poo this is so bizarre.

Tuxedo Gin
May 21, 2003

Classy.

There are a LOT of supportive comments re: Madison and they are rightfully disgusted and angry at LMG.

But holy poo poo there are a lot of gross "she has no evidence" comments.

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Jfc

kliras
Mar 27, 2021

Tuxedo Gin posted:

There are a LOT of supportive comments re: Madison and they are rightfully disgusted and angry at LMG.

But holy poo poo there are a lot of gross "she has no evidence" comments.
also important that a lot of the supposed criticism of ltt is people trying to retroactively compensate for enabling a lot of the bad habits that lead to this

obviously the scale of what happened to madison is awful, but we didn't go from absolute zero to 100 in terms of sexism and weird workplace practices, unfortunately, and a lot of people are essentially not interested in how we got here

it's rare that the evidence against one party is so unambiguous, and it's also been obvious that a lot of people have tried all kinds of both sides strategies of "gee, it's so hard to wrap my head around this drama". all that being said, there's going to be some kind of eventual response to madison's account, and people are going to try to obfuscate things once again

kliras fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Aug 16, 2023

Sigma
Aug 24, 2003

...
Grimey Drawer
Even if you think making an onlyfans joke video is appropriate, why actually run an account? And why assign someone to run it

Heran Bago
Aug 18, 2006



Vir posted:

Doesn't this mean that the editor is on probationary employment, so their identity isn't public yet? But they should be allowed a credit anyway, as we talked about. The whole things is a silly policy.

They could jot down any joke. "Some bitch" would make them look sexist though, and "Aunt Jemima" might come off as racist. So they went with...

Vir
Dec 14, 2007

Does it tickle when your Body Thetans flap their wings, eh Beatrice?

Sigma posted:

Even if you think making an onlyfans joke video is appropriate, why actually run an account? And why assign someone to run it
Making the account is part of the joke, but I'd run it myself and only upload each April 1. I'm not sure the sponsors would like it though.

Tuxedo Gin posted:

There are a LOT of supportive comments re: Madison and they are rightfully disgusted and angry at LMG.

But holy poo poo there are a lot of gross "she has no evidence" comments.
Pretty sure she has evidence.

There have been some high-profile cases of people making false allegations for clout or to harm a celebrity, but in this case I think the problem is LTT fans who are just blind to how badly run the company was, also in the asleep-at-the-wheel HR level.

mewse
May 2, 2006

Here's madison's full twitter thread:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1691693740254228741.html

This is beyond the pale to me and I've unsubbed from the LTT youtube channels

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
I don’t think anyone should be surprised that working there is like 4chan in real life

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Sigma posted:

Even if you think making an onlyfans joke video is appropriate, why actually run an account? And why assign someone to run it

A lot of their fans subbed to it, I think they were one of the bigger accounts on it for a while. So probably just hey we can make some money from this let's just dump this on the social media person's workload as well.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


kliras posted:

i will say, i could never have guessed the insane format of the actual video, especially the ending

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cTpTMl8kFY

In it, voted thumb down

(404 seconds in)

Ms. Chanandler Bong
Dec 20, 2008

That CEO sure is a poor communicator

Sigma
Aug 24, 2003

...
Grimey Drawer
That’s what happens when the founder hires a longtime friend to be management

mewse
May 2, 2006

FuturePastNow posted:

In it, voted thumb down

(404 seconds in)

Lol we got a LTT stan in here

Gros Tarla
Dec 30, 2008

Can someone explain the helicopter thing? i genuinely don’t get it. From context I can understand it’s transphobia but I don’t understand why.

And no, this isn’t concern trolling. I’m just “lucky” enough to experience transphobic code in a whole other language on my day to day.

Sorry if this is off topic.

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

bet he regrets not taking that $100M buyout offer now

kliras
Mar 27, 2021

Gros Tarla posted:

Can someone explain the helicopter thing? i genuinely don’t get it. From context I can understand it’s transphobia but I don’t understand why.

And no, this isn’t concern trolling. I’m just “lucky” enough to experience transphobic code in a whole other language on my day to day.

Sorry if this is off topic.
"i sexually identify as an attack helicopter" was the one joke(tm) people would use about trans and non-binary/gender-nonconforming people when confronted with gender-sexual orientations beyond basic cis-lgb

Placeholder
Sep 24, 2008

Gros Tarla posted:

Can someone explain the helicopter thing? i genuinely don’t get it. From context I can understand it’s transphobia but I don’t understand why.

And no, this isn’t concern trolling. I’m just “lucky” enough to experience transphobic code in a whole other language on my day to day.

Sorry if this is off topic.

It's the same old "I identify as an attack helicopter" joke

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Gros Tarla posted:

Can someone explain the helicopter thing? i genuinely don’t get it. From context I can understand it’s transphobia but I don’t understand why.

And no, this isn’t concern trolling. I’m just “lucky” enough to experience transphobic code in a whole other language on my day to day.

Sorry if this is off topic.

The sentence "I identify as an apache attack helicopter" is a phrase commonly used by regressive writers against lgbt people.

Gros Tarla
Dec 30, 2008

kliras posted:

"i sexually identify as an attack helicopter" was the one joke(tm) people would use about trans and non-binary people when confronted with gender-sexual orientations beyond basic cis-lgb

Got it, thanks!

Yeah, gently caress em.

(Thanks to all that responded)

Vir
Dec 14, 2007

Does it tickle when your Body Thetans flap their wings, eh Beatrice?

Gros Tarla posted:

Can someone explain the helicopter thing? i genuinely don’t get it. From context I can understand it’s transphobia but I don’t understand why.
It's an old joke about "Otherkin" and furries carried over to transgender people where people say "i identify as an attack helicopter" in response to people identifying as a different gender. It's not that deep.

And in this case it was likely a reference to that - but if anyone is able to do this kind of thing by accident, it would be LTT. The mixture of incompetence and bad luck is just so high.

Vir fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Aug 16, 2023

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Gros Tarla posted:

Can someone explain the helicopter thing? i genuinely don’t get it. From context I can understand it’s transphobia but I don’t understand why.

And no, this isn’t concern trolling. I’m just “lucky” enough to experience transphobic code in a whole other language on my day to day.

Sorry if this is off topic.

Its a common transphobic joke, I think originated by Adam Shapiro where he tweeted one time "I identify as an attack helicopter" to mock a trans person replying to him. The worst people in the world all thought this was the funniest thing ever said and now it's one of the right's 3 jokes.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

+1 to unsubbing from LTT

Branch Nvidian
Nov 29, 2012



At least I can take solace in knowing I don't have to unsubscribe from LMG channels. (because I was never subscribed in the first place)

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Branch Nvidian posted:

At least I can take solace in knowing I don't have to unsubscribe from LMG channels. (because I was never subscribed in the first place)

I enjoyed the clowns doing stupid things to computers :(

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



EDIT: Nothing to see here.

BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Aug 16, 2023

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

StrixNebulosa posted:

I enjoyed the clowns doing stupid things to computers :(

I'm less inclined to accept someone wasting a 1k€ card as a practical joke now that cost of life rising has put a lot of people under the poverty threshold. It's like burning money for laughs in front of people that cannot pay rent.
Nowadays i replaced most of my tech channels with machinists and car mechanics, at least the videos end up in a fixed problem.

njsykora posted:

Its a common transphobic joke, I think originated by Adam Shapiro where he tweeted one time "I identify as an attack helicopter" to mock a trans person replying to him. The worst people in the world all thought this was the funniest thing ever said and now it's one of the right's 3 jokes.

I'm ashamed to say that it was first found as a smug retort on 4chan and then co-opted by the usual right/alt right commentators.

SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Aug 16, 2023

Skeezy
Jul 3, 2007

Get Jonathan from Mac Address out of there. He’s the only one I liked.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Cantide posted:

Not sure I would trust the account of someone who does this:

"I purposefully cut my leg open so badly I would have to go to the ER to get it stapled back together."

Just saying neither side is trustworthy without evidence one way or another
This is now ancient, but to give you a huge benefit of doubt, have you ever heard about how soldiers purposely injured/shot themselves to avoid worse trauma, like having to go to the front?

That doesn't mean they're nuts. It might be a perfectly sane thing to do in what is viewed to be an extreme situation.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Sigma posted:

Even if you think making an onlyfans joke video is appropriate, why actually run an account? And why assign someone to run it

yeah I think doing the things as a joke is fine, but like the second you learn "wait onlyfans has comments, and people are posting their dicks there?" is when you shut the thing down instantly.

or like Linus himself volunteers to moderate those comments.


and the only reason I can think that you wouldn't shut it down is that onlyfans probably has a policy that when someone gives you money they get a month of access, so shutting down in less than one month means you don't get the money.

which is extremely gross. the "ha ha ha I'm doing an onlyfans" joke has suddenly become "hey we're making a bunch of money from this, your job is to get sexually harassed by the type of people who leave comments on porn".



(every time I am reminded that porn sites have comments I die a little inside)

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SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

All I saw was throwing a lot of bodies in front to deflect blame.

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