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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
uh maybe don't repost the CSAM account

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Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Biden 2027

quote:

Joe Biden on Tuesday appeared to forget the name Maui, referring to the island in a speech in Milwaukee as 'the one where you see on television all the time.'

As the death toll rose to 106, and as rescuers continued to comb the rubble in Lahaina, Hawaii, the president told the crowd that there were still fires on the Big Island - also known as Hawaii.

He pointed out the fires were blazing on the Big Island, not Maui, but appeared to struggle to name Maui.

'The Army helicopters helped fire suppression efforts on the Big Island because there's still some burning on the Big Island — not the one that, not the one where you see on television all the time,' he said.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

IT'S. A. STUTTER!

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
&



mawarannahr posted:

behold: the man who sold the world, shortly before getting On a Plain (to Little St James)

oh no,
not me,
I never smoked a bowl
Your face
to face
with the man who droned the world

SardonicTyrant has issued a correction as of 17:05 on Aug 16, 2023

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005



that’s a shame

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

gradenko_2000 posted:

uh maybe don't repost the CSAM account

it’s a pic from another twitter account pointing out that Obama’s house is on Oahu

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008


we didn't start the fire

Barack did

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

The Obamas estate was spared from the effects of the Obama presidency.

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

https://twitter.com/jacobin/status/1691846026259300604?s=20

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004


ask chris smalls

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004


ask the railroad workers whose strike she helped bust up

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004


raytheon workers are delighted with her contributions to expanding the MIC

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Critics have pointed to Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of the Squad’s support for continual military aid to Ukraine to charge they’re counterfeit anti-imperialists or even war hawks. But important as it is, the Ukraine war is not the only pressing foreign policy issue.



Critics justifiably criticize Ocasio-Cortez’s “present” vote on Iron Dome funding in 2021. But this assessment should be balanced out by acknowledging her other, similarly symbolic actions that cut the other way. That includes her refusal to vote to condemn the boycott, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) campaign while cosponsoring a pro-BDS resolution, her labeling Israel an “apartheid state” as early as 2021, as well as her and the Squad’s recent decisions to boycott the Israeli president’s speech to Congress and be one of only nine to vote against a resolution declaring Israel is neither an apartheid nor racist state. All of these are politically risky actions, especially when pro-Israel money has emerged as a real threat to reelection.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Accomplishments like tearfully caving to Nancy Pelosi of all people so that Israel could have its billion dollar missile shield boondoggle.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

quote:

Critics justifiably criticize Ocasio-Cortez’s “present” vote on Iron Dome funding in 2021. But this assessment should be balanced out by acknowledging her other, similarly symbolic actions that cut the other way. That includes her refusal to vote to condemn the boycott, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) campaign while cosponsoring a pro-BDS resolution, her labeling Israel an “apartheid state” as early as 2021, as well as her and the Squad’s recent decisions to boycott the Israeli president’s speech to Congress and be one of only nine to vote against a resolution declaring Israel is neither an apartheid nor racist state. All of these are politically risky actions, especially when pro-Israel money has emerged as a real threat to reelection.

Marcetic is falling for the scam here: AOC has "good" votes on Israel, because she trades off with the Squad such that they all have "good" votes on it, but they never all vote in unison whenever it might result in a substantive change in the vote result

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Yakubin

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

gradenko_2000 posted:

Marcetic is falling for the scam here: AOC has "good" votes on Israel, because she trades off with the Squad such that they all have "good" votes on it, but they never all vote in unison whenever it might result in a substantive change in the vote result

she's cultivating political capital

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

mawarannahr posted:

she's cultivating political capital

HARVEST IT ALREADY!!!!!

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007


lol

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
it should be illegal to share opinions that are longer than a paragraph.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

it should be illegal to share opinions

Tsitsikovas
Aug 2, 2023

Dems hate Trump's stupid red hat because they couldn't come up with anything so effective. The top out at mints and stuff that says "vote" on it, apparently. loving looooosers.

HallelujahLee posted:

you have lost everything and they still want you to register what useless psychopaths

They can't even steal Trumpbucks without lameing it up. They're such a fake party, just controlled oppo. How otherwise can a political entity allow itself to be this bad??

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008


I'm telling you guys, Bhaskar Sunkara was dropped on the head as a child and is uniquely stupid

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I'm gonna buck the trend here and succpost. I just don't care that much about AOC. I don't think about her much more often than I think about Wiley Nickel (D-NC). Either you think the Democratic Party is rotten or you don't. If you do, nothing about her career should be surprising, and if you don't, nothing about her career is inexcusable. Yes, AOC sucks. She's a member of Congress, they all suck.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

i think people need to get it out of their system but if you can't get to your point in three sentences you're just wasting everyone's time

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

*raises paw*

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
"AOC is good, actually" there i did your whole article in 4 words

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



AOC accomplished her goal: pretend to be a socialist to get into office. Now that she's safely ensconced in her seat she can cozy up to the establishment as she likely always intended, and a lot of DSA types will defend her to the death because "she's a socialist like us!".

e:

Halloween Jack posted:


She's a member of Congress, they all suck.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald has issued a correction as of 17:38 on Aug 16, 2023

Tsitsikovas
Aug 2, 2023

Halloween Jack posted:

She's a member of Congress, they all suck.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Halloween Jack posted:

I'm gonna buck the trend here and succpost. I just don't care that much about AOC. I don't think about her much more often than I think about Wiley Nickel (D-NC). Either you think the Democratic Party is rotten or you don't. If you do, nothing about her career should be surprising, and if you don't, nothing about her career is inexcusable. Yes, AOC sucks. She's a member of Congress, they all suck.

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

rest in power origa
「RUSSIA の CRYSTAL VOICE」

Soapy_Bumslap
Jun 19, 2013

We're gonna need a bigger chode
Grimey Drawer

-Don Hughes

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

Willa Rogers posted:

I'm gonna die of succ by the time next year is done.



That uTerus, lol.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Halloween Jack posted:

She's a member of Congress, they all succ.

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002


yeah dude that's what tends to happen when your constructive criticism is met with "lol no" and "you're doing violence to me by holding me to my own standards"

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

jameshardeneyeroll.gif

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

is pepsi ok posted:

it's funny too how the narrative is never "the republicans are defeated forever, therefore we can finally pass all these good bills and start fixing our many problems!"

instead it's "the republicans are defeated forever. the end. all problems are fixed now and we are back at the end of history!"

That's because "The republicans being in power" WAS the problem to the rank&file libs.
When Republicans are in power, Libs have to pay attention to what they're doing so they can make sad hashtags and tiktoks about it and that really cuts into brunch. When Dems are in power, they can rest easy knowing that their social betters are taking care of everything so they don't have to worry about anything.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Freddie DeBoer posted:

I try not to get into direct back-and-forth things when it comes to criticism of things I write, as I think it can easily become self-indulgent and I’d like to think that my work speaks for itself. But with a couple weeks now past from the publication of my piece on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, I have to register my unhappiness at what my many critics haven’t done. Because Ocasio-Cortez is a deeply symbolic figure for many people, I knew that I would get attacked in general, and particularly that my piece could easily be seen as personal rather than based on substance if I wasn’t rigorously substantive. So I wrote the piece to be a very specific set of criticisms about her very specific behaviors as a legislator, a list of particular missteps where I think she violated left principles, demonstrated a lack of political savvy or plan, or both. And to my deep frustration, almost all of the many responses to the piece have simply ignored those specific behaviors in favor of broad discussions about the state of the left in American politics. Well, I opened the door at the end for that discussion, so that’s OK as part of the response, but the near-complete silence on the actual specifics of what AOC has done seems bizarre and unconstructive. I just keep waiting for people to say “OK as far as this criticism goes, I think….” It just kept not happening. Here are some questions I posed in the piece:

Why did AOC announce her endorsement of Joe Biden on Pod Save America, given that podcast’s reputation for hippie-punching, when she could have sent out a one-sentence press release or declined to endorse at all? Why did she do it mere days after host Jon Favreau collapsed in laughter at the idea that Democrats should have to actually appeal to the left?

Why did AOC cry on the floor about Palestine and then vote “Present” rather than “No” on a bill to fund Israel’s military machine? Why did she vote to deny rail workers the right to strike? Why did she vote in favor of the American Rescue Plan, after vowing to fight to include a minimum wage increase, when she’s shown a perfect willingness to make protest votes in the past? What rhyme or reason has there ever been to her role as a legislator?

Why did she attend the 2021 Met Gala, during a devastating pandemic, when that event reflects exactly the elitism and excess that AOC once railed against? Without wearing a mask, when she had been admonishing Americans for the entire pandemic to mask up? Why make that choice, at that particular moment in history?

Why has she not pursued the issue of the border crisis under President Biden with the same visibility and passion that she pursued it under President Trump? What happened to kids in cages? I can go back and find the fundraising emails about immigration and the border from 2018 to 2020. People voted and gave money based on the idea that Democrats would do something about this issue. How are they supposed to feel now that Democrats have essentially nothing to say about the crisis?

What of substance is the Democratic party offering the leftist voters whose votes, they believe, they’re entitled to? What is the positive agenda of Democrats, a message that goes beyond “we’re not Trump”? And what is the plan through which the Justice Democrats and Bernie Sanders achieve some sort of meaningful and lasting change to the Democratic party?

Almost everybody just responded to the last question. But the other questions are the substance of the critique of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez! Here’s an hour-plus podcast about my piece with Brian Beutler, Eric Levitz, and Ryan Grimm, none of whom engages with a single specific criticism I made of Ocasio-Cortez. Not a one! Which echoes Levitz’s response piece, which only addressed one of those criticisms and named it as a reasonable point. All of which speaks to the broader point that Ocasio-Cortez is not treated like a legislator, but like an icon, a sacred cow who can’t be criticized where any back-bench fifth-year representative would be for similar behavior. I don’t know what that is, but it’s not progressive.

For the record when Grimm calls me part of the “alt-left, YouTube left,” I don’t know what those things are. I’m a Marxist and have been a political activist my entire adult life.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

freddie's right

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Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

Lib and let die posted:

freddie's right

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