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PriorMarcus posted:I agree, but then at one point she was also in the US Bionic Woman series and had a guest appearance on Jekyl that everyone seemed excited about. Ooft. She was third lead. Gonna be that nerd and say that Ryan has been kind of good on radio. The play about her dad and his (lol) trophy wife was very good for her and her character. howe_sam posted:still slowly rewatching season 5 ahead of the Ringerverse episode on the Matt Smith years. The Beast Below with maybe one or two more passes on the script could've been a real banger. As it stands the opening is great (Doctor: "Remember Amy, we never get involved. Also Doctor: *immediately gets involved when he sees the crying kid*), and the ending is great, but the middle is pretty mushy. I can't remember the order they shot it in, but Beast Below underwent significant rewrites and reshoots. About half of it was reshot by (an uncredited) Euros Lyn. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Aug 16, 2023 |
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howe_sam posted:still slowly rewatching season 5 ahead of the Ringerverse episode on the Matt Smith years. The Beast Below with maybe one or two more passes on the script could've been a real banger. As it stands the opening is great (Doctor: "Remember Amy, we never get involved. Also Doctor: *immediately gets involved when he sees the crying kid*), and the ending is great, but the middle is pretty mushy. Nope, that would be the Angels two-parter. The shots on the beach were the first series 5 scenes to be filmed.
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Aug 16, 2023 17:10
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PriorMarcus posted:Remember when Michelle Ryan seemed like she might be a big star? What, you mean Cockneys vs. Zombies wasn't a blockbuster success?  (though I do have a bit of affection for that film, since it has Alan Ford, Honor Blackman, Richard Briers, and Tony Selby in it; and as far as zombie apocalypse films go, it wasn't the worst one of those I've ever seen, even though it was a complete flop)
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Aug 16, 2023 17:28
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Right, River Song was cool at one point, but rapidly became one of the most obnoxious characters on the show.
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Aug 16, 2023 18:15
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Open Source Idiom posted:I can't remember the order they shot it in, but Beast Below underwent significant rewrites and reshoots. About half of it was reshot by (an uncredited) Euros Lyn. You can kind of tell since the opening is a kid being dumped down an elevator shaft by an automaton reciting a creepy nursery rhyme and then ends at "Be nice to space whales," with a few stops at random places inbetween. They got a solid story out of the throughout, but there's a ton of things hanging on it that don't make any sense in that context.
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Aug 16, 2023 18:26
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Warthur posted:I will give Moffat this much: it makes sense she's ten steps ahead of the Doctor when she first shows up, because she's at the end of her timeline where she knows more than the Doctor does. But the steps ahead should have been dialled back on subsequent appearances as she got less ahead of the Doctor and the Doctor caught up with her. The Husbands of River Song is literally about this flip.
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Aug 16, 2023 19:31
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Husbands was a good River showing, I think Mostly because she's on the back foot for a change?
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Aug 16, 2023 19:39
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My favorite River Song episodes or the just that she's in are the time of angels/flesh and stone and the husbands of river song. I think Steven Moffat handled her arc the best in those.
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Aug 16, 2023 20:14
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Confusedslight posted:My favorite River Song episodes or the just that she's in are the time of angels/flesh and stone and the husbands of river song. I think Steven Moffat handled her arc the best in those. Right, those are easily her best appearances outside of her RTD-era debut. It’s every other appearance that’s kinda grating.
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Aug 16, 2023 21:23
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The fun was in watching her know more than everybody else, then becoming the one who knew the least. I don't get the "huffing his own farts" dig. It was unusual for The Doctor to have somebody in his life more in the know and every bit as capable as him, and he loved her dearly. It was novel. I know it would be handled poorly if done, but it never sat right with me that he just left her in the library. Her consciousness is still out there and in all of time and space, there has to be a way to bring her back. It'd be the wrong move on a thematic level, but I'm a giant sap and I still want to see it.
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Aug 16, 2023 21:43
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I like River, best romantic partner for the Doctor yet. Dating the companion he drags around space and time has been done and probably shouldn't have been, Clara would've been a better companion to try that with if they hadn't before and absolutely needed to. I thought the River arc was fun and a good foil for the most part, I can see leaning more into her knowing him less more being cool too. Their last episode together always chokes me up. If anything I wouldn't have mind trading a River EP or 2 for different ones where they hang out alone for a bit not in just a passing crisis, but still doing weirder poo poo only two superbeingish time-travelers can do.
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Aug 16, 2023 22:13
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There was, during Moffat's run, an extremely popular paranoid assumption that Moffat's writing was borne out of arrogance or spite. Many people cling to this baseless assumption to this day.
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Aug 16, 2023 22:17
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DoctorWhat posted:There was, during Moffat's run, an extremely popular paranoid assumption that Moffat's writing was borne out of arrogance or spite. Many people cling to this baseless assumption to this day. I never thought his writing was done out of arrogance or spite, but rather out of an adolescent need for his favorite TV show to be the hippest and coolest and biggest show ever. Which he achieved, at least for a time, but the way he did so pretty much convinced me that NuWho just wasn't for me and (other than giving Jodie Whittaker's first season a shot) I pretty much gave up on it partway through Smith's second season. Though I give him full credit for the 50th anniversary special. That was just the right sort of fanwanky.
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Aug 16, 2023 22:31
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Yeah my problem with Moffats run is just how godlike the doctor became, and even that had its moments. But like a god, they're at their best when in the end you can't be sure they existed at all. I like Doctor best when they are a trickster imp inspiring folks to solve their problems and tripping up villains on their own bullshit.
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Aug 16, 2023 23:08
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Khanstant posted:Yeah my problem with Moffats run is just how godlike the doctor became, and even that had its moments. But like a god, they're at their best when in the end you can't be sure they existed at all. I like Doctor best when they are a trickster imp inspiring folks to solve their problems and tripping up villains on their own bullshit. RTD is the one who made him Space Jesus.
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Aug 17, 2023 00:06
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RTD made the Doctor Moffat is the one who made the Doctor the hipster nerd that was somehow embraced by millions (before he became an older Scotsman and the ratings dropped) Chibnall made the Doctor...well, a charismatic Doctor who happened to be a woman, but that was really more due to Jodie Whittaker herself than anything Chibnall did
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Aug 17, 2023 00:14
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Sydney Bottocks posted:RTD made the Doctor Yeah, I feel like people just kind of forget about all the Time Lord Victorious bullshit near the end of Tennant's run.
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Aug 17, 2023 00:38
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Oh I thought that was referring to the part where everyone in the world had to cheer the doctor and he floated up in to the air and magically got young again.
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Aug 17, 2023 00:43
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Lmao I love the Tinkerbell solution. It's the Masters fault for linking humans psychically The worst part of that episode is when it flashes back to Martha travelling the world to tell the story, but basically just shows her telling the one group we saw her do it with, which happened like 5 minutes ago.
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Aug 17, 2023 01:02
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Vinylshadow posted:Husbands was a good River showing, I think Yeah, I loved The Husbands of River Song. 12's delivery on,"Hello Sweetie" was 
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Aug 17, 2023 01:12
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Boxturret posted:Oh I thought that was referring to the part where everyone in the world had to cheer the doctor and he floated up in to the air and magically got young again. I mean, it was a gradual burn. Tennant met the literal Devil in The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit in season 2. Tinkerbell was season 3. And the Time Lord Victorious bullshit was during the Year of Specials.
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Aug 17, 2023 01:15
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Timby posted:Yeah, I feel like people just kind of forget about all the Time Lord Victorious bullshit near the end of Tennant's run. In fairness, the time elapsed between I AM TIME LORD VICTORIOUS and OH NO WHAT HAVE I DONE is what, like, 150 seconds?
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Aug 17, 2023 01:21
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Khanstant posted:Lmao I love the Tinkerbell solution. It's the Masters fault for linking humans psychically The best part is Martha looking the Master dead in the eye and saying "you really believed the magic gun story? god you're such a loving dumbass". The worst part isn't that, however; it's that for the resolution of the series to make thematic sense, "The Shakespeare Code" becomes unskippable, and that episode ranks up there with Talons for just how badly it otherwise aged. (Hell, "Bad Wolf" hinges on the cultural zeitgeist of its production and that didn't age as badly.)
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Aug 17, 2023 09:55
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Having the the 10th doctor as jesus was not my favourite part of the rtd era.
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Aug 17, 2023 10:20
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Also, the DWM 60th poll results for Twelve and Thirteen dropped today and, well, the results are interesting. https://twitter.com/verissimoallan/status/1691868211443126765?s=46
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Aug 17, 2023 10:29
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How so? I don’t think there’s much to quibble about there? Heaven Sent should probably be top of 12, but it sounds pretty close to opinions in here.
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Aug 17, 2023 13:05
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TinTower posted:Also, the DWM 60th poll results for Twelve and Thirteen dropped today and, well, the results are interesting. Under the Lake/Before the Flood is a solid pick for worst story of the entire revival, and they put it eighth?! And I know Kill the Moon is a love it or hate it story, but you'd think that that would land it somewhere in the middle instead of almost last. The only thing I'll say about the Whitaker list is that Spyfall was so bad it caused me to give up on the show altogether, and I only came back the next week because of everybody saying how much worse Orphan 55 was (turns out, it's incredibly average, but way better than Spyfall!) So naturally that gets placed dead last. Also I didn't watch it, but was Flux such a coherent and serialized story that they needed to deflate Whitaker's episode count by listing it as a single episode?
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Aug 17, 2023 13:10
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Rochallor posted:Also I didn't watch it, but was Flux such a coherent and serialized story that they needed to deflate Whitaker's episode count by listing it as a single episode? Flux was a mess with good bits and bad bits. Lots of bad bits. Putting it all as one big story is doing it a massive disservice however. Individually, the Village of the Angels episode is one of Whittaker’s best of her whole run.
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Aug 17, 2023 13:30
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The_Doctor posted:Flux was a mess with good bits and bad bits. Lots of bad bits. Putting it all as one big story is doing it a massive disservice however. Individually, the Village of the Angels episode is one of Whittaker’s best of her whole run. Yeah, Village of the Angels was about 95% great, only falling down with the ending which was just a bump to the next episode. Though that lack of endings might be why they smushed Flux together.
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Aug 17, 2023 13:36
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The worst episode of the entire revival can only be In the Forest of the Night, for going beyond bad television and becoming a potential danger to children's health
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Aug 17, 2023 13:37
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I think the 12th doctor list is broadly right. Oxygen might be a little high though. edit: lol at orphan 55 being at the bottom of 13s list where it rightfully belongs. Confusedslight fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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Aug 17, 2023 13:39
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The_Doctor posted:How so? I don’t think there’s much to quibble about there? Heaven Sent should probably be top of 12, but it sounds pretty close to opinions in here. It Takes You Away is not worse than Flux (or any other 13th doctor story) Rochallor posted:Under the Lake/Before the Flood is a solid pick for worst story of the entire revival There's multiple stories in the same series worse than it!
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Aug 17, 2023 13:45
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Just got to The Ambassadors of Death in my full-series rewatch and drat it's good to finally get that cliffhanger synthesiser sting.
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Aug 17, 2023 14:08
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Heaven Sent should have been first, it’s a loving masterpiece, but World Enough and Time is amazing as well. I still think about the implications of that black hole spaceship from time to time, such a cool setting and a natural fit for what happens in it.
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Aug 17, 2023 14:26
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MrL_JaKiri posted:There's multiple stories in the same series worse than it! Hard disagree, I'm higher on Series 9 than a lot of people but as far as I'm concerned that's the series' only bum note. Even Sleep No More is at least an interesting failure. Warthur posted:Just got to The Ambassadors of Death in my full-series rewatch and drat it's good to finally get that cliffhanger synthesiser sting. The Ambassadors... OF DEATH! title reveal gets bandied about a lot but more than that it nails the cliffhangers so much better than anything that comes after. They're so abrupt and send out the episodes on a high note. Compare the cliffhanger of episode 2 (start from about 22:50) with just about any other cliffhanger, which consist of 30 seconds to a minute at the end of an episode of the Doctor gurning on the floor/the Master laughing maniacally/a companion screaming in silent horror as the sting plays over the final moments of the episode. Here? "Right, cut it open!" Sting over credits. Bam.
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Aug 17, 2023 14:27
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Under The Lake/Before The Flood is pretty decent. I honestly prefer it to quite a few other stories in that season, though I think I like the first two Maisie Williams stories more. Particularly the second one, which has some very strong emotional content for the character. Heaven Sent is very good too. TinTower posted:The worst part isn't that, however; it's that for the resolution of the series to make thematic sense, "The Shakespeare Code" becomes unskippable, and that episode ranks up there with Talons for just how badly it otherwise aged. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but is this just a reference the two-odd references to Harry Potter or is there something else here?
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Aug 17, 2023 14:34
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MrL_JaKiri posted:It Takes You Away is not worse than Flux (or any other 13th doctor story) Oh wow, you’re very right! I didn’t see that at all, it should be top 3 easily.
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Aug 17, 2023 14:36
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Rosa right above Demons of the Punjab
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Aug 17, 2023 14:52
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Open Source Idiom posted:Under The Lake/Before The Flood is pretty decent. I honestly prefer it to quite a few other stories in that season, though I think I like the first two Maisie Williams stories more. Particularly the second one, which has some very strong emotional content for the character. Heaven Sent is very good too. The only good idea that story has is the decoy Soviet village thing, which it doesn't really do anything with. And like with The God Complex, it's another idea Toby Whithouse nicked from The Curse of Fenric but did it worse. Open Source Idiom posted:Maybe I'm forgetting something, but is this just a reference the two-odd references to Harry Potter or is there something else here? I'm guessing it's in reference to Gareth Roberts being a transphobe. Which surprisingly is unrelated to the Harry Potter references!
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Rochallor posted:The Ambassadors... OF DEATH! title reveal gets bandied about a lot but more than that it nails the cliffhangers so much better than anything that comes after. They're so abrupt and send out the episodes on a high note. Compare the cliffhanger of episode 2 (start from about 22:50) with just about any other cliffhanger, which consist of 30 seconds to a minute at the end of an episode of the Doctor gurning on the floor/the Master laughing maniacally/a companion screaming in silent horror as the sting plays over the final moments of the episode. That said, I think the sting really helps in general. It adds spice to a good cliffhanger, perks up a mediocre one, and whilst it can't save a bad cliffhanger, it does at least announce that the ordeal is over.
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