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bike tory posted:99% sure that bone marrow is not a sociological construct employed by racists. Problematic
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exmarx posted:ethnicity is also socially constructed Ethnicity is useful. But if you want to argue that race is an important concept, go ahead. Ratios and Tendency fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Aug 16, 2023 |
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Aug 16, 2023 23:31
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exmarx posted:ethnicity is also socially constructed I'm genuinely interested in your reasoning here. Surely if its anything, its a mix and a large portion of what defines an ethnicity is geography
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Aug 16, 2023 23:58
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All categories are social constructs.
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Ghostlight posted:All categories are social constructs. Nothing is anything. No, not even that.
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Aug 17, 2023 00:10
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hearing unconfirmed reports that we live in a society
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My Mum is making an effort this year to be an informed voter (possibly the first time ever). Are any of those websites still around that can help you compare party policies, or do a quiz and see how your own value line up? I had a quick look but the ones I saw on Google appear to be overseas based. Are the local ones not spun up yet?
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Saros posted:The reason for M/Pi access to things at younger ages is because being M/Pi is literally as bad for your health as being fifteen years older. I worked extensively on this when deciding funding criteria for Covid treatments and the evidence is extremely conclusive. I don’t doubt the need to increase access is there, I just really don’t agree on the approach. I mean flu vax is good because there is a large range of health conditions that makes a person qualified to get a free one, and again, we don’t police that.
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Aug 17, 2023 01:57
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klen dool posted:I'm genuinely interested in your reasoning here. Surely if its anything, its a mix and a large portion of what defines an ethnicity is geography It depends a bit on what you mean by "ethnicity" but the way stats NZ measure ethnicity is via self-identification, so literally just a construct. Social constructs can and do correspond to poo poo in the real world. But not in the concrete/empirical/positivist kind of way that racists think.
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Aug 17, 2023 02:47
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Self-Identify my rear end, I've had forms altered by the admin person as I'm clearly too white to not be pakeha.
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Aug 17, 2023 02:50
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Serephina posted:Self-Identify my rear end, I've had forms altered by the admin person as I'm clearly too white to not be pakeha. Yes unfortunately the real world things that social constructs often correspond with are human behaviours 
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Aug 17, 2023 02:53
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bike tory posted:It depends a bit on what you mean by "ethnicity" but the way stats NZ measure ethnicity is via self-identification, so literally just a construct. Social constructs can and do correspond to poo poo in the real world. But not in the concrete/empirical/positivist kind of way that racists think. A social construct that takes fifteen years off your life span though
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Aug 17, 2023 03:02
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me, a white guy with an american accent, trying to get treatment: "yeah I'm a may-orr-eee"
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Aug 17, 2023 03:14
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Serephina posted:Self-Identify my rear end, I've had forms altered by the admin person as I'm clearly too white to not be pakeha. Like, it really makes no difference practically but if you're asking me how I identify don't change my answer.
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Aug 17, 2023 03:16
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sebmojo posted:A social construct that takes fifteen years off your life span though Yeah a lot of people hear "social construct" and think it means "not real" or something. Usually the same people who think that the outcomes of our systems of social relations, like Māori men dying 15 years younger, are the result of things inherent to people themselves. If only there was a word for that, maybe someone should invent one.
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bike tory posted:It depends a bit on what you mean by "ethnicity" but the way stats NZ measure ethnicity is via self-identification, so literally just a construct. Social constructs can and do correspond to poo poo in the real world. But not in the concrete/empirical/positivist kind of way that racists think. that makes sense
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sebmojo posted:A social construct that takes fifteen years off your life span though I guess its a social construct that is an approximation for "a group of people in a certain situation". IE We've constructed a category. Maybe I actually don't understand what a "social construct" is in an academic sense lol
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Ghostlight posted:I have a similar thing where I'm a multi-generational kiwi with an iwi affiliation so I don't like to record myself as "New Zealand European" but I'm quite white and have no cultural Māori background so I prefer to identify as Pākehā rather than Māori and every time I get paperwork back it's been 'corrected' to NZ European. Are you me? I've got iwi connections through my dad's side, but culturally I'm not Maori. On the other hand I want no part of anything British or American so I normally just refer to myself as kiwi and it kind of annoys me that that's not an option. I'm sure as hell not European so why do I have to call myself that?
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I used to put european pakeha but I recently got redefined as being of asiatic horde descent and there's no orcish pakeha option afaik so now idk what to do
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Aug 17, 2023 05:30
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klen dool posted:I guess its a social construct that is an approximation for "a group of people in a certain situation". IE We've constructed a category. Maybe I actually don't understand what a "social construct" is in an academic sense lol ethnicity, like race, is an attempt to taxonomise people based on aesthetics. it considers a wider set of factors (like cultural practices, language, etc.), but only to provide more granularity within the same old race science categories. it's socially constructed because the categories are totally subjective – why is geography/skin colour/religion the right lens? it's also 'real' (like race) because those social categories have material consequences in employment, the justice system, etc.
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bike tory posted:Oh also the high fuel prices aren't permanent, they're a result of specific world events and other oil producers are already stepping up production. Meanwhile cutting fuel taxes will be permanent, no loving way this govt is going to reintroduce fuel taxes. bump
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exmarx posted:ethnicity, like race, is an attempt to taxonomise people based on aesthetics. it considers a wider set of factors (like cultural practices, language, etc.), but only to provide more granularity within the same old race science categories. Bizarre post. Ethnicity is an explicit rejection of racist essentialism in favour of actual features like self-identification, language and culture.
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Aug 17, 2023 06:42
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It would be better if all the ethnicity options on forms were replaced with classes so I could just tick poor
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Slavvy posted:It would be better if all the ethnicity options on forms were replaced with classes so I could just tick poor Landlord is op, nerf plz
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Aug 17, 2023 06:52
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i can't believe bike tory was wrong about cars
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El Pollo Blanco posted:it's 2023 and utter smoothbrains still think there's reds under the bed I fuckin' wish there were reds under the beds, so I could vote for them
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Bizarre post. Ethnicity is an explicit rejection of racist essentialism in favour of actual features like self-identification, language and culture. under what definition? race, ethnicity, nationality and culture are all deeply intertwined.
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Aug 17, 2023 07:27
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I assure you you can still vote for National, the party that has up until a few years ago placed members of the CCP as sitting MPs.
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Aug 17, 2023 07:30
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Beartaco posted:I assure you you can still vote for National, the party that has up until a few years ago placed members of the CCP as sitting MPs. what communist agenda was the last national government undertaking
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exmarx posted:bump I do hope you charge rent to all the posts of mine living in your head, but yeah genuinely surprised to be wrong about this one. Announcing an increase to fuel tax less than six weeks from advance voting while petrol costs nearly $3/L is not the kind of election strategy I expected to see from Labour. Especially not when National has literally just made up the numbers for their roading policy.
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I refuse to believe anyone who says that the gas prices will dip in any significant way in NZ. I won't see sub-$2 petrol at the pump again in my lifetime, barring stuff like the collapse of society.
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bike tory posted:I do hope you charge rent to all the posts of mine living in your head, classic landlord... don't know anything about the gps process, but i wonder if they had to publish the draft now to meet a statutory timeframe. it has actual govt spending decisions, not made up electoral promises.
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Beartaco posted:I assure you you can still vote for National, the party that has up until a few years ago placed members of the CCP as sitting MPs. 
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he wants the plot to be foiled and the guy to be caught and executed? 
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Serephina posted:I refuse to believe anyone who says that the gas prices will dip in any significant way in NZ. I won't see sub-$2 petrol at the pump again in my lifetime, barring stuff like the collapse of society. good
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