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Silly Burrito posted:I just mean the whole time last season, everyone was calling the Vikings frauds after a 13-4 season, and then they lose their first playoff game. They were worse than their record but they were like a 10 win team that overachieved in large part because Jefferson went off in a bunch of games. Without him they’re lucky to scrape together six wins.
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Soul Glo posted:the team literally fired the gm, my dude, what more do you want Maybe the GM was really secretive, but there were probably a lot of folks that implicitly or explicitly approved a move of that significance.
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With Tanny and Henry getting older, the Titans were absolutely a win now team and trading Brown (along with the OL collapsing) immediately slammed their window shut Just a pure nonsense trade. Thx Jon
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Like 4 franchise wrs are being drafted every draft now while every other position struggles for 1 but okay act like these guys are some rare commodity because the Patriots scout like its 1980 lol
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Febreeze posted:Yeah because they forgot to field a defense That Colts game was the distillation of the 2022 Vikings. They outscored the Colts 39-3 in the second half + OT! Incredible! This was only necessary because they went down to the loving Jeff Saturday + Matt Ryan Colts 33-0 in the first half
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Metapod posted:Like 4 franchise wrs are being drafted every draft now while every other position struggles for 1 but okay act like these guys are some rare commodity because the Patriots scout like its 1980 lol List them
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Aug 16, 2023 22:48
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If Oher was actually in a conservatorship, that seems like something there should be a legal record of?
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Doltos posted:List them Diggs Reek Waddle Wilson Chase Higgins Cooper Ridley Hopkins Allen Mwill Adams Brown Smith Lamb Mcclaurin Jefferson Moore St brown Watson Deebo Lockett Metcalf Kupp Evans Godwin Olave Thomas
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Metapod posted:Diggs Many of these are #2 options that aren't nearly on the same level as AJ Brown. I'd also almost trade none of the top players on this list because I'd want to retain my GM job.
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Doltos posted:They literally just went to the playoffs on the back of their offense what the heck are you talking about I'm talking about the #1 WR in the league not coming close to the value of a franchise QB because the best WR in the league didn't win any postseason games but instead got handily beaten by the goddam Giants
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kiimo posted:I'm talking about the #1 WR in the league not coming close to the value of a franchise QB because the best WR in the league didn't win any postseason games but instead got handily beaten by the goddam Giants Well duh franchise QB's are obviously the most valuable thing in the league but so are WRs. Also the Giants locked down Jefferson with constant safety help and let Cousins just feed Hockenson instead. That's a strategy lots of people face, but sure his 1800 yards are whatever
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I feel like the terms "franchise WR" and "one of the best WRs in the league" are getting muddled together here and it's leading to some confusion.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:If Oher was actually in a conservatorship, that seems like something there should be a legal record of? The family confirms that he is which is my driving suspicion that there's fuckery outside the movie money.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I feel like the terms "franchise WR" and "one of the best WRs in the league" are getting muddled together here and it's leading to some confusion. "Franchise" <insert position> is a stupid buzzword that doesn't mean anything
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a neat cape posted:"Franchise" <insert position> is a stupid buzzword that doesn't mean anything You have a franchise QB, a franchise WR and a franchise RB. I think you're just forced to use the word so often it's lost its meaning
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a neat cape posted:"Franchise" <insert position> is a stupid buzzword that doesn't mean anything Is it? How else do you want me to describe "Guy you can't possibly trade away and will make your team way better than all but like 5 other people in the league at the same position" in one word? You need the term or else you get people like this describing guys like Calvin Ridley on the same level as Justin Jefferson Metapod posted:No these are all number 1s and franchise guys and are around the same level but people want to nitpick them and tier them because they are so many but the differences are so small
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Doltos posted:Many of these are #2 options that aren't nearly on the same level as AJ Brown. I'd also almost trade none of the top players on this list because I'd want to retain my GM job. No these are all number 1s and franchise guys and are around the same level but people want to nitpick them and tier them because they are so many but the differences are so small
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Doltos posted:Is it? How else do you want me to describe "Guy you can't possibly trade away and will make your team way better than all but like 5 other people in the league at the same position" in one word? Elite
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Randy Moss was traded three times.
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Doltos posted:Is it? How else do you want me to describe "Guy you can't possibly trade away and will make your team way better than all but like 5 other people in the league at the same position" in one word? Also if that's what Franchise means, people are pretty loving liberal with its use.
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a neat cape posted:Also if that's what Franchise means, people are pretty loving liberal with its use. Absolutely. There's like four positions in football that can change the scope of your team and only one that can outright make you a perennial playoff team. You can build an offense around a LT or a WR and a solid defense around an elite DE but only QBs are true franchise changers. Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Randy Moss was traded three times. First time was because it was the early 2000's and the Vikings were all offended by his 'behavior'. Second time was because Oakland had a dumpster fire QB room and they sold him for peanuts. Him setting NFL records with Tom Brady isn't exactly helping the case of never trade someone like him.
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kiimo posted:I'm talking about the #1 WR in the league not coming close to the value of a franchise QB because the best WR in the league didn't win any postseason games but instead got handily beaten by the goddam Giants The Bills with Josh Allen barely squeaked by the Skylar Thompson lead Dolphins. The Chargers finally made the playoffs in their third year with with their top 5ish QB and got bounced in the first round by the Jags who also managed to lose to the Giants. Guess a player is only valuable if they can single-handedly win you a Super Bowl so the list of valuable players in the NFL are: Patrick Mahomes
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"Franchise" means you have a guy good enough that you don't need to worry about the position anymore unless you come across a diamond of a prospect/free agent/tradeable player. He's a building block of the franchise and will get a second and probably third contract from the team. "Elite" means among the best in the league.
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1691929468556754965?s=20 https://twitter.com/Ihartitz/status/1691942689724387524?s=20
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The question we must ask ourselves: Was Joe Flacco a franchise QB?
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SKULL.GIF posted:The question we must ask ourselves: Was Joe Flacco a franchise QB? Can't spell "cool franchise" without Flacco.
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Joe Flacco was elite, admit it, everyone
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treylon burks has an lcl sprain, only out a few weeks, shew
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Doltos posted:Is it? How else do you want me to describe "Guy you can't possibly trade away and will make your team way better than all but like 5 other people in the league at the same position" in one word? I feel like you can describe top 5 players by just saying top 5 but I’ll admit that’s two words
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:With Tanny and Henry getting older, the Titans were absolutely a win now team and trading Brown (along with the OL collapsing) immediately slammed their window shut the titans might be the worst team in the league this year. it's on the table
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Soul Glo posted:treylon burks has an lcl sprain, only out a few weeks, shew Internet Doctor was right
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pmchem posted:the titans might be the worst team in the league this year. it's on the table As a person who would really like it if that were the case, it's not on the table at all lol
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Metapod posted:As a person who would really like it if that were the case, it's not on the table at all lol
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I don't think the Titans will be the worst team this season but it also wouldn't surprise me if it happened to be them. But I can probably say that about ten teams rn
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I think the Titans are going to be way worse than some of their fans are hoping, largely because the offensive line isn't actually even close to fixed and the defense isn't as good as it has been in recent years, but I can't really see them having worse than a 6-11 season because the staff is good
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Prediction: Browns Deshaun Watson sucks poo poo. Many coaches and office personnel get fired. Haslam just strolls on.
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i have the titans going nine and eight. however that's still 10th in the conference. they will be one of only two true mediocre teams by record in the afc.
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It's time for me to get caught up on Raiders news since I don't follow anything in off season and well lmao.
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Gatts posted:Prediction: Browns Deshaun Watson sucks poo poo. Many coaches and office personnel get fired. Haslam just strolls on. Prediction: he sucks and then gets a mysterious injury and DTR never gives the starting job back to him. edit: but then the Browns trade him and go with Deshaun again next season because it's the Browns
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