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I'm looking for the next distraction from the Heresy to spend my audible tokens on. I've got the Infinite and the Divine, Vaults of Terra and The Devastation of Baal done. I'm considering my boy Fabby B, but I also recall someone mentioning some ork stuff upthread that was real good. Seems like the Dark Coil stuff is more easily handled in paperback or ebook?
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As I recall, Mike Brook's Warboss is available in Audiobook format. As is Brutal Kunnin I believe. I think it's in Warboss, according to the author, where the audio team had to get crafty with the chapter headings, as otherwise after a certain point they just say "Lots". Either that one or the Gazghull book.
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Aug 14, 2023 18:17
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Brutal Kunnin' is a wonderful book with one of the most horrible scenes I have ever read thrown in off the cuff
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Aug 14, 2023 18:43
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Both Brutal Kunnin' and Warboss slap. And the one with funny chapter headings is Warboss. Black Griffon, if you're done with the Vaults of Terra-trilogy, I recommend the other related series by Chris Wraight consisting of Emperor's Legion and the Regent's Shadow so far. They take place partially concurrently with Vaults of Terra, and I really recommend them as audiobooks, because each they have three readers each. If you haven't already read Valdor during your Heresy readings, do so, it is great. Oh, and get it as an audiobook. You won't regret that.
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Aug 14, 2023 19:06
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Are Brutal Kunnin and Warboss linked in order? Or are they stand alone?
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Aug 15, 2023 07:05
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Standalone, though Brutal Kunnin does happen first chronologically.
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Aug 15, 2023 10:29
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Dog_Meat posted:Are Brutal Kunnin and Warboss linked in order? Or are they stand alone? There are some cameos if you read them in order, nothing too impactful, however they are pretty much standalone stories and can be read in whatever order you wish.
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Aug 15, 2023 10:31
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:He's not wrong. The audience needs reminding that Marines are nightmarish posthuman living weapons with extremely good PR True, but it doesn't always have to be brain eating. Like he doesn't even use it as a "marines getting intel", there's a scene where it's used to punish a marine by making him "remember" the person he killed's experiences (also a Marine). Have them spit acid again, I know he knows that the ability is there he mentions it in Spears of the Emperor, but he just likes the cannibalism.
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Aug 15, 2023 15:19
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Listened to TEatD and the first vaults of terra book back to back, and I feel they're pretty good companion pieces. Seeing the contrast between HH era Terra and the absolute shithole it has turned into 10k years later is fascinating. Wraight does a REALLY good job at building scenes and setpieces around the ecumenopolis and its advanced state of venerated decay. Also loved John Banks' narration- sometimes his pronunciation of "Terra" comes funnily close to "Terror"- no wonder Spinoza notes that everyone is afraid all the time. Vaults also had a cool antagonist, but I can't help but feel like that poor dark eldar would have had his mind blown way before he could actually do any actual harm to the emperor, if his plan was to actually step into the throne room and lay eyes on him. Although, who knows if the emperor's psychic presence is as overwhelming to a non-human I've read an embarrassing amount of 40k fiction, but it strikes me that very few pieces actually use 40k's Terra as the backdrop. I guess the very, very first black library book has some questionable Terra content, but unless I've missed something, it seems to have been relatively sparse since 1990!
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Aug 15, 2023 21:00
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I mean that particular Dark Eldar is possibly even older than the Emperor and literally witnessed and took part in the Fall of the Eldar, if anybody could get an eyeful of the Emperor and live it'd be him
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Aug 15, 2023 22:25
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AnEdgelord posted:I mean that particular Dark Eldar is possibly even older than the Emperor and literally witnessed and took part in the Fall of the Eldar, if anybody could get an eyeful of the Emperor and live it'd be him the emperor is way, way, way older than the Fall, which took place a few hundred years at most before the start of the great crusade
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Aug 16, 2023 02:29
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the emperor is way, way, way older than the Fall, which took place a few hundred years at most before the start of the great crusade
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Aug 16, 2023 03:47
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CapnAndy posted:He claims to be one of the first humans, and while the dude is normally a rather unreliable narrator, he has flashbacks to being born in a proto-civilization that’s still dwelling in caves. So that one might be true. it's all psychic smoke and mirrors and he's just a Dark Age of Technology weapon that gives everyone false memories 
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Aug 16, 2023 12:57
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AnEdgelord posted:I mean that particular Dark Eldar is possibly even older than the Emperor and literally witnessed and took part in the Fall of the Eldar, if anybody could get an eyeful of the Emperor and live it'd be him He's also getting turbo juiced by the insane suffering the Emperor is experiencing. Remember kids, to the Dark Eldar, other people's pain is food!
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Aug 16, 2023 13:15
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For anyone who gets the SoT books in large format paperback like I do, The End and the Death 1 became available to purchase on Amazon today.
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Aug 16, 2023 18:19
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the emperor is way, way, way older than the Fall, which took place a few hundred years at most before the start of the great crusade The fall of the Eldar and the birth of Slaanesh is what kicked off the warp storms that started the Age of Strife/Old Night, so around the 25M
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Aug 16, 2023 21:33
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:it's all psychic smoke and mirrors and he's just a Dark Age of Technology weapon that gives everyone false memories If the Emperor gives himself false memories even he believes, he isn't lying, technically.
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Aug 16, 2023 22:09
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Foxtrot_13 posted:The fall of the Eldar and the birth of Slaanesh is what kicked off the warp storms that started the Age of Strife/Old Night, so around the 25M I thought it was the other way around: the warp was in turmoil and charged right before the birth of Slaanesh, and the actual event consumed all that energy into the ocurrence of the new deity, leaving the warp calm and allowing the Crusade to set off.
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Aug 16, 2023 22:16
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Sephyr posted:I thought it was the other way around: the warp was in turmoil and charged right before the birth of Slaanesh, and the actual event consumed all that energy into the ocurrence of the new deity, leaving the warp calm and allowing the Crusade to set off.
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Aug 16, 2023 22:21
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Slaanesh's imminent birth created the warp storms, which faded as the Eye formed.
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Aug 16, 2023 23:22
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Foxtrot_13 posted:The fall of the Eldar and the birth of Slaanesh is what kicked off the warp storms that started the Age of Strife/Old Night, so around the 25M Incorrect. Slaanesh started coalescing in the warp in the 25th century and that caused the warp storms but their actual birth was just before the great crusade and calmed the warp which made the GC possible. quote:In the Immaterium, the collective psychic reflections of their indolence and amoral hedonism caused a new major Chaos power to stir, beginning in the 25th Millennium of the Terran calendar. Created by one species' pure dedication to indulgence and excess, the first psychic motes of what would become Slaanesh began to coalesce. The dormant Slaanesh fed upon the unchecked collective psyche of the Aeldari, drawing on their lusts and ambitions, their artistry and pursuit of excellence in all things. In turn, as Slaanesh grew, its nascent dreams trickled into the minds of the Aeldari and fuelled their desires, pushing them ever onwards towards their eventual doom. quote:During the Age of Strife the Emperor, who had spent all the years of His immortal life since His birth in the 8th Millennium B.C. seeking to guide Mankind to a better destiny, was trapped on the techno-barbarian-ravaged Earth. This was due to the massive Warp Storms prevalent throughout the galaxy in the 5,000 standard years before the birth of the Chaos God Slaanesh once more made travel and astropathic communication through the Warp possible. D-Pad fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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Aug 17, 2023 00:09
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Does anyone have recommendations, or even just a list, of the Black Library books that deal with the xenos from their perspective? I just read “Da Gobbo’s Revenge” and “Ghazghkull Thraka” this week and like them a lot. I read “Brutal Kunnin” a while back and liked it. I get these are all about orks, but I generally am more interested in books about any of the xenos from their point of view. I’ve read some of Gaunt’s Ghosts and a few others and they did nothing for me. I am just not interested in Space Marines or the Imperial Guard. I did read Matt Forbeck’s Blood Bowl novels and liked those, and the 3 or 4 books I read on the Sisters of Battle were alright. I really like the Necromunda books I’ve read (which I think is all of them). I think maybe I just don’t like Space Marines and the Guard and it seems like that is a lot of what Black Library puts out.
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Aug 17, 2023 02:49
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nesbit37 posted:Does anyone have recommendations, or even just a list, of the Black Library books that deal with the xenos from their perspective? I just read “Da Gobbo’s Revenge” and “Ghazghkull Thraka” this week and like them a lot. I read “Brutal Kunnin” a while back and liked it. I get these are all about orks, but I generally am more interested in books about any of the xenos from their point of view. The Infinite and the Divine is the gold standard for Necron shenanigans. Twice Dead King is a close second. As for the rest... the pickings are a bit slim.
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Aug 17, 2023 02:53
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Sephyr posted:The Infinite and the Divine is the gold standard for Necron shenanigans. Twice Dead King is a close second. Thanks, I just ordered copies of the necron books you mentioned. Well, 2 of them anyway, it looks like Twice Dead King has 2 different books out and I couldn’t get one of them. Yeah, I was worried there wasn’t a lot of books in this vein out. They seem to be doing more of them at least with the orks lately which is fine, but they have a lot more to work with if they would only want to.
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Aug 17, 2023 03:05
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a lot of this history has been retconned but the last date we have for the fall of the eldar was 750M30, which is roughly contemporaneous with the end of the unification wars and the beginning of the primarch project. Constantin Valdor is older than the fall of the eldar.
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Aug 17, 2023 03:11
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nesbit37 posted:Does anyone have recommendations, or even just a list, of the Black Library books that deal with the xenos from their perspective? I just read “Da Gobbo’s Revenge” and “Ghazghkull Thraka” this week and like them a lot. I read “Brutal Kunnin” a while back and liked it. I get these are all about orks, but I generally am more interested in books about any of the xenos from their point of view. Recommending Valedor again, for eldar.
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Sharkopath posted:Recommending Valedor again, for eldar. Great, thanks. Just grabbed it.
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Aug 17, 2023 03:44
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Read Path of the Seer by Gav Thorpe a few years back and was not impressed.
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Aug 17, 2023 05:10
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nesbit37 posted:Thanks, I just ordered copies of the necron books you mentioned. Well, 2 of them anyway, it looks like Twice Dead King has 2 different books out and I couldn’t get one of them. Which one did you get? Because Ruin is the first one, and Reign is the second, and they really need to be read in order.
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Aug 17, 2023 09:07
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I got Ruin, so should be good.
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Aug 17, 2023 14:25
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There are the Tau books. But then they are also written by Phil Kelly.
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Aug 17, 2023 14:39
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Working my way through Mathew Farrer's Shira Calpurnia books, halfway through #2 so far. They came out a long while back, in the early 2000s, and Farrer is not nearly as polished a writer as he'd become by the time he wrote his Urdesh duology, but I appreciate the focus on the Byzantine nature of the Imperium. It also does a good job of showing how fascist and unjust the Imperium is, the protagonists are not precisely the good guys. e: For example on the "good guys" point, the heir to a Rogue Trader charter at the center of the plot in book 2 is introduced as appearing to be weak and diffident in part because his version of a traditional race merely involves the likelihood of injury and a small chance of death instead of being straight up lethal for the competitors. habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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Aug 17, 2023 14:49
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Cooked Auto posted:There are the Tau books. Are those the Farsight books? I haven't read anything about or heard about Phil Kelly before, but a quick search shows some people definitely don't like him. Thoughts on if these are worth a read at all or is the author/his take on the Tau really that bad?
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Phil Kelly is one of the weaker regulars and I thought the first Farsight book was pretty mediocre with a few outright terrible scenes. I'd only give them a read if you're absolutely desperate for T'au. His Tzeentch daemons are unfathomably boring and stupid, which is very funny in a way though. Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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Aug 17, 2023 18:26
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Canon is wide open in warhammer 40k. You can kind of do anything with it . The people in the stories don’t even know what is happening
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Aug 17, 2023 18:28
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Breaking news, the Black Library Coming Soon page has updated!  https://www.warhammer-community.com/blacklibrarycomingsoon/
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Not really loving Ghostmaker. The structure is so clunky: it's set up like a clip show from a 90s sitcom, and there is no attempt at smoothing the transition from framing device to short story. It's literally just "Gaunt walks over to squad member, looks at them, thinks a thing related to the short story that's coming, then cut to it" and while I like the short stories themselves, he apparently did not edit them for continuity like you usually would in a fixup. So you have things like the same squad members getting introduced again and again - yes, I know why you're called Try Again Bragg, you've told me like 7 times now!! And worse, you start seeing the same kind of plot devices, like the amount of times the Ghosts have faced an insurmountable chaos army up until they kill the single big bad guy and then the rest of the huge army instantly gives up or commits suicide I searched back through this topic and saw one suggestion that you should plink away at Ghostmaker in between other books, and I think that would have worked better for me it's not like I *dislike it* either, and I'm over halfway so I'll just finish it. but I do wish I could reach through the book and like... just change all the things I don't like lol
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Ghostmaker's individual stories are good but the Monthax framing device is kinda weak and doesn't have a real narrative through-line the way that First and Only does. Like you said it's a parade of Gaunt walking from Ghost to Ghost which prompts a story based on the individual in question, and then suddenly the Monthax battle itself is the focus and 20 pages later the book ends with a classic Abnett Just Stops Writing ending. When you pull back and look at the wider context of both the books and the Sabbat Crusade as a while Monthax is this bizarre outlier where it's simultaneously supposed to be one of the greatest single combat actions of the entire war but also completely irrelevant outside of its own existence.
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So I read Ruin, the flashback showing what happened during bio-transference and C'tan soul eating is appropriately horrific. It made me feel sorry for the Necrons, which I really didn't expect.
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One sort of left-field question: Has any important characters just straight up died because they got hosed crossing the rubicon? I don't necessarily want to know who in case they're part of a good book or something, but it would be really funny, like a random mook shooting John Wick in the head or something.
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