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StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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Rochallor posted:

lol yeah, $100-ish

The idiots are steadily undoing everything which allowed even this false return to normalcy.

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ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/springsteen/status/1691872953414115424

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Rochallor posted:

lol yeah, $100-ish

Insurance is supposed to cover it still under CARES, but as always, personal experiences vary.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Pitcher Witcher posted:

Are these new boosters going to cost money?

Depends on your insurance and stuff. The article in this post is all the recent info I've seen:

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat

nexous posted:

damnit joe give me the juice now, I’ll pay

at least someone posted that kidney trouble is no longer contraindicated for pax

I think that was for remdesivir, not pax

nexous
Jan 14, 2003

I just want to be pure

Steve Yun posted:

I think that was for remdesivir, not pax

ah, nuts. i don’t need more cancer

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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https://twitter.com/Angie_Bopeepers/status/1691927631699296739

New thread title?

Platystemon posted:

Insurance is supposed to cover it still under CARES, but as always, personal experiences vary.

Unpleasant thoughts about poor update takeup possibly helping speed evolution of evasion to it?

StratGoatCom has issued a correction as of 03:48 on Aug 17, 2023

Zantie
Mar 30, 2003

Death. The capricious dance of Now You Stop Moving Forever.
Washington state's weekly wastewater update, cobbled together from the state's downloadable excel report and supplemented with scaled National Wastewater Surveillance System (NWSS) data when available. Solid lines are from WADoH data and white diamond dots applied to scale are from most recent CDC/NWSS data (if available).

I have distributed 30 sewersheds across 5 charts grouped by approximate geographical region and county. See the tables below for definitions of WADoH IDs. Details for each are listed in the table posted after the graph. Trend is labeled based on the change in averages between the most recent 7 and 14 days of measurements available.

Northwest Washington


pre:
Northwest Washington
County:		ID:	Date:	Trend:	Service Area:
Island		OH	Aug-11	UP	Oak Harbor
Jefferson	PT	Aug-09	STEADY	Port Townsend
Mason		HP	Jul-30	UP	Rustlewood, Shelton
Whatcom		LYN	Aug-10	UP	Lynden
King + Snohomish


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King + Snohomish
County:		ID:	Date:	Trend:	Service Area:
King		BWT	Aug-08	UP	Bothell, Mill Creek, Redmond, Woodinville, Overflow from King County South and West Point Treatment Plants
King		KCS	Aug-08	STEADY	Auburn, Bellevue, Issaquah, Kent, Renton, Sammamish
King		WSPT	Aug-08	UP	Seattle, Shoreline, north King County, north Lake Wash., parts of south Snohomish
Snohomish	APP	Aug-07	STEADY	Lynnwood
Snohomish	ARL	Aug-08	DOWN	Arlington
Snohomish	EVR	Aug-08	UP	Everett
Snohomish	STAN	Aug-06	UP	Stanwood
Southwest Washington


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Southwest Washington
County:		ID:	Date:	Trend:	Service Area:
Clark		MRPK	Aug-07	UP	Vancouver
Clark		SNCK	Aug-02	STEADY	Battle Ground, Ridgefield
Clark		VWS	Aug-02	DOWN	Vancouver Westside
Pierce		CC	Aug-11	DOWN	Browns Point, Dash Point, Dupont, Fife, Fife Heights, Frederickson, Graham, Lakewood, Milton, Orting, Parkland, South Hill, Spanaway, University Place
Pierce		PUY	Aug-10	UP	Puyallup
Thurston	LOTT	Aug-09	STEADY	Lacey, Olympia, Tumwater
Thurston	NISQ	Aug-08	STEADY	Nisqually
Central Washington


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Central Washington
County:		ID:	Date:	Service Area:
Benton		KEN	Aug-07	DOWN	Kennewick
Benton		WRCH	Aug-10	DOWN	West Richland
Chelan		WWTP	Aug-10	DOWN	Wenatchee
Grant		EPH	Aug-09	STEADY	Ephrata
Kittitas	ELL	Aug-10	STEADY	Ellensburg
Okanogan	BRW	Aug-10	STEADY	Brewster
Yakima		YAK	Aug-10	UP	Yakima
Eastern Washington

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Eastern Washington
County:		ID:	Date:	Trend:	Service Area:
Franklin	PAS	Aug-11	UP	Pasco
Spokane		RP	Aug-11	UP	Spokane
Spokane		SPK	Aug-11	UP	Spokane Valley
Walla Walla	WALLA	Aug-09	STEADY	Walla Walla
Whitman		PLM	Jul-28	UP	Pullman
King + Snohomish


pre:
King + Snohomish
County:		ID:	Date:	Trend:	Service Area:
King		BWT	Aug-08	UP	Bothell, Mill Creek, Redmond, Woodinville, Overflow from King County South and West Point Treatment Plants
King		KCS	Aug-08	STEADY	Auburn, Bellevue, Issaquah, Kent, Renton, Sammamish
King		WSPT	Aug-08	UP	Seattle, Shoreline, north King County, north Lake Wash., parts of south Snohomish
Snohomish	APP	Aug-07	STEADY	Lynnwood
Snohomish	ARL	Aug-08	DOWN	Arlington
Snohomish	EVR	Aug-08	UP	Everett
Snohomish	STAN	Aug-06	UP	Stanwood
Southwest Washington


pre:
Southwest Washington
County:		ID:	Date:	Trend:	Service Area:
Clark		MRPK	Aug-07	UP	Vancouver
Clark		SNCK	Aug-02	STEADY	Battle Ground, Ridgefield
Clark		VWS	Aug-02	DOWN	Vancouver Westside
Pierce		CC	Aug-11	STEADY	Browns Point, Dash Point, Dupont, Fife, Fife Heights, Frederickson, Graham, Lakewood, Milton, Orting, Parkland, South Hill, Spanaway, University Place
Pierce		PUY	Aug-10	UP	Puyallup
Thurston	LOTT	Aug-09	UP	Lacey, Olympia, Tumwater
Thurston	NISQ	Aug-08	UP	Nisqually
Central Washington


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Central Washington
County:		ID:	Date:	Service Area:
Benton		KEN	Aug-07	DOWN	Kennewick
Benton		WRCH	Aug-10	DOWN	West Richland
Chelan		WWTP	Aug-10	DOWN	Wenatchee
Grant		EPH	Aug-09	STEADY	Ephrata
Kittitas	ELL	Aug-10	STEADY	Ellensburg
Okanogan	BRW	Aug-10	STEADY	Brewster
Yakima		YAK	Aug-10	UP	Yakima
Eastern Washington

pre:
Eastern Washington
County:		ID:	Date:	Trend:	Service Area:
Franklin	PAS	Aug-11	UP	Pasco
Spokane		RP	Aug-11	UP	Spokane
Spokane		SPK	Aug-11	UP	Spokane Valley
Walla Walla	WALLA	Aug-09	STEADY	Walla Walla
Whitman		PLM	Jul-28	UP	Pullman

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Poppers posted:

Covid cough is usually dry. If it was nasty and sloppy she might have just had COPD.
it's being reported that EG.5 can be associated with a productive cough: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/covid-cases-eris-symptoms-variant-b2391394.html
could not find a direct link to the Zoe study so would appreciate if someone can find.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme

DominoKitten posted:

seems to be, yes, someone reverse engineered the error

https://twitter.com/KelleyKga/status/1691061955765624832?s=20
I love how many errors in Excel stem from "whoops there's an error in this critical cell that's difficult to find because what the gently caress does '$A$133' even mean anyway, or I clicked the wrong box when making this pivot table."

Gunshow Poophole posted:

i don't really thinkg this is covid related but my best friend's mom, something of a surrogate mom for me for twenty years now, also died this week. Glioma diagnosis 3 weeks ago and already gone

it doesnt' exactly feel like the sharks circling but gently caress me. the emotional toll of turning 40 is worse than the physical.
Sorry, goon. gently caress cancer.

Zantie posted:

Washington state's weekly wastewater update, cobbled together from the state's downloadable excel report and supplemented with scaled National Wastewater Surveillance System (NWSS) data when available. Solid lines are from WADoH data and white diamond dots applied to scale are from most recent CDC/NWSS data (if available).

I have distributed 30 sewersheds across 5 charts grouped by approximate geographical region and county. See the tables below for definitions of WADoH IDs. Details for each are listed in the table posted after the graph. Trend is labeled based on the change in averages between the most recent 7 and 14 days of measurements available.
Nice breakdown. Seems like there's spikes at odd intervals in many of these -- is that due to reporting?

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
Platystemon I have a message for you its "toop".

ibid
Aug 18, 2022

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/Kenneth33071904/status/1691967375942574559

GXL
Feb 6, 2004

It's against all of our policies for an application to ever share information with advertisers.

One weird trick for getting into the Davos gala orgy

Zantie
Mar 30, 2003

Death. The capricious dance of Now You Stop Moving Forever.

Zugzwang posted:

I love how many errors in Excel stem from "whoops there's an error in this critical cell that's difficult to find because what the gently caress does '$A$133' even mean anyway, or I clicked the wrong box when making this pivot table."

Sorry, goon. gently caress cancer.

Nice breakdown. Seems like there's spikes at odd intervals in many of these -- is that due to reporting?

It could be many things. During waves in particular I notice that it takes many weeks, usually months, for data to settle down. Much of it could be user error (typos from either hospital staff or public health officials, referencing wrong cells or misspellings). Sometimes I think duplicates occur when someone is initially hospitalized at one location then transferred to another hospital, sometimes several times, and not uncommonly across state lines.

I would love to see the "unknown" for the date of admission column go down for hospitalizations but it just goes up every week...All of my suggestions as to why older changes happen are hypothetical when I can't see how it changes each step of the way. Hell, for all I know someone forgot to replace an ink cartridge in a fax machine until now. It's a mess.

https://www.ktoo.org/2022/09/27/lack-of-data-blunted-alaskas-covid-response-new-york-times-investigation-shows/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/upshot/coronavirus-response-fax-machines.html

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/08/health/public-health-data-gaps-hhs-khn-partner/index.html

[edit] I'm tired and can't figure out how to get the url for the archived version of the NYT link. Anyway the problem has been around for awhile and I doubt it's been totally fixed since.

Zantie has issued a correction as of 06:10 on Aug 17, 2023

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme

Zantie posted:

It could be many things. During waves in particular I notice that it takes many weeks, usually months, for data to settle down. Much of it could be user error (typos from either hospital staff or public health officials, referencing wrong cells or misspellings). Sometimes I think duplicates occur when someone is initially hospitalized at one location then transferred to another hospital, sometimes several times, and not uncommonly across state lines.

I would love to see the "unknown" for the date of admission column go down for hospitalizations but it just goes up every week...All of my suggestions as to why older changes happen are hypothetical when I can't see how it changes each step of the way. Hell, for all I know someone forgot to replace an ink cartridge in a fax machine until now. It's a mess.

https://www.ktoo.org/2022/09/27/lack-of-data-blunted-alaskas-covid-response-new-york-times-investigation-shows/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/upshot/coronavirus-response-fax-machines.html

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/08/health/public-health-data-gaps-hhs-khn-partner/index.html

[edit] I'm tired and can't figure out how to get the url for the archived version of the NYT link. Anyway the problem has been around for awhile and I doubt it's been totally fixed since.
The public health situation is even worse than I thought :eng99:

Zantie
Mar 30, 2003

Death. The capricious dance of Now You Stop Moving Forever.

kazmeyer
Jul 26, 2001

'Cause we're the good guys.

Nothus posted:

It's a useful proxy for ventilation. Someone posted a paper from Japan that looked at it in a hospital setting and showed a pretty good correlation

I bought one a while back for COVID reasons but what it really did was illustrate to me how poorly ventilated my apartment is. Now I've gotten into the habit of opening windows more often and the fresh air has made an enormous difference in how I feel on a daily basis.

Woodsy Owl
Oct 27, 2004

yoloer420
May 19, 2006
Has there been any new/decent research on the efficacy of UVC for minimising indoor spread?

It was a really big thing for awhile and then it wasn't.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
iirc there was some study a few months back about how quickly outdoor light renders covid virions unviable relative to its UV index -- at 10+, you're looking at <1min i think??

extrapolate that to UVC in, ideally, air ducts sort of situation. but then realize that installing UVC everywhere would be even more expensive than forcing employers to provide n95s for their staff. you stopped hearing about it because the will for implementing it dried up with the money.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
The best endowed university on the planet ripped out a perfectly good UV air disinfection system.


The Edward Nardell mentioned in the piece is one of the world’s foremost experts on the subject. I wrote about him here.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.
Anyone here do trucking? In my imagination you could stay pretty covid safe despite all the driving around but maybe I'm missing something.

toggle
Nov 7, 2005


how many times is this now?

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Hi thread what's the latest on new boosters?

e: mainly wondering if there's any firm timing yet, I know they're not going to be free etc

brugroffil has issued a correction as of 11:40 on Aug 17, 2023

WrasslorMonkey
Mar 5, 2012

Poppers posted:

Covid cough is usually dry. If it was nasty and sloppy she might have just had COPD.

lol, the moment I read this being quoted I heard coughing coming from my neighbor’s apartment.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Babe, wake up. The mirror universe’s ivermectin has revealed itself.

Exposure to lung-migrating helminth protects against murine SARS-CoV-2 infection through macrophage-dependent T cell activation

In short, of mice are infected with this curly bugger, they fight off SARS‑CoV‑2 more effectively.



Will one U.S. public health failure cancel out another? Probably not.

Isizzlehorn
Feb 25, 2010

:lesnick::lesnick::lesnick::lesnick::lesnick::lesnick:

Platystemon posted:

The best endowed university on the planet ripped out a perfectly good UV air disinfection system.

The Edward Nardell mentioned in the piece is one of the world’s foremost experts on the subject. I wrote about him here.

Good chance they did the installation for a tax right off from the feds and the program said nothing about keeping the system installed. So they canned the contract after the money came in and sold the two installed units for more money.

post COVID
Mar 5, 2007

free college, free healthcare, free Shmurda


we're way past the solstice, where's my booster

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck

brugroffil posted:

Hi thread what's the latest on new boosters?

e: mainly wondering if there's any firm timing yet, I know they're not going to be free etc

Coming beginning/end of September, maybe? There was apparently some fuckery with the ending of the emergency that resulted in them taking more time to come out.

Rick posted:

Anyone here do trucking? In my imagination you could stay pretty covid safe despite all the driving around but maybe I'm missing something.

Not a trucker but as someone who spends a lot of time at truck stops :dance: they're not always most welcoming of masking. I tend to get more remarks behind my back/fake coughing/fake coughing that turns into real coughing at those sorts of places than anything else.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Gunshow Poophole posted:

it’s a loving government agency who cares about the cost! it is just fully funded, you just declare it that way!!

I hate this loving country

It's a business now, sorry

call_of_qthulhu
Nov 21, 2003


Fun Shoe

Rick posted:

Anyone here do trucking? In my imagination you could stay pretty covid safe despite all the driving around but maybe I'm missing something.

my partner works in that industry but not as a trucker. 99% of the time he's catching poo poo for continuing to mask. the 1% is folks in baggy blues

fartman
Sep 19, 2021

Rick posted:

Anyone here do trucking? In my imagination you could stay pretty covid safe despite all the driving around but maybe I'm missing something.

union rules around here state that if you see anyone being asked to wear a mask you have to drive to the capital and block the roads downtown for a month

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Zugzwang posted:

I love how many errors in Excel stem from "whoops there's an error in this critical cell that's difficult to find because what the gently caress does '$A$133' even mean anyway, or I clicked the wrong box when making this pivot table."

That's why real sheetheads use R1C1 mode :smug:

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

mawarannahr posted:

it's being reported that EG.5 can be associated with a productive cough: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/covid-cases-eris-symptoms-variant-b2391394.html
could not find a direct link to the Zoe study so would appreciate if someone can find.

You will note their framing is (paraphrased): "it is similar to Omicron. Omicrons symptoms are these."

So I am reasonably confident they are referring to this:

https://joinzoe.com/learn/covid-new-top-10-covid-symptoms posted:

Updated 13th December 2022
What are the most common COVID symptoms?

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

brugroffil posted:

Hi thread what's the latest on new boosters?

e: mainly wondering if there's any firm timing yet, I know they're not going to be free etc

The only hard date is that they are set to be delivered end of September. Nominally I believe that is meant to imply the latter half of September, as opposed to the last few days.

Edit: I will add that it is still not defined who is eligible. But I recall an article stating that they stopped delivering the old doses at the start of August, so at the very least unvaccinated will have to be given the new doses, unless they are scrapping doses for unvaccinated entirely.

Pingui has issued a correction as of 14:31 on Aug 17, 2023

Tzen
Sep 11, 2001

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007


thank you, Kenneth33071904

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f28klp1qQGI

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
:itwaspoo:

https://journalstar.com/news/local/...e66008a988.html posted:

Nebraska removes wastewater data as COVID cases start to rise

State officials have removed tracking data for COVID-19 in wastewater just as cases have started to rise.
(..)
A spokesman for the state Health Department said the state’s wastewater data was taken down due to President Joe Biden’s ending of the national emergency and public health emergency declarations for COVID-19 in May.

“Data continues to be tracked for that program and is available upon request,” the spokesman wrote in an email Monday.

Laura Strimple, a spokeswoman for Gov. Jim Pillen, wrote in an email Tuesday that the state wastewater page was removed Aug. 4 in consultation with the Governor’s Office. She also cited the end of the federal public health emergency in response to questions about why the page was taken down. Since then, she wrote in an email, Nebraska has successfully phased out many of the measures put into place during the emergency.
(..)
Dr. Bob Rauner, president of Partnership for a Healthy Lincoln, said he’s disappointed the state has stopped providing the wastewater data and has asked for a reason why but didn’t get a response from anyone at the Department of Health and Human Services.

“It’s important data for the medical community because it’s the most accurate community gauge of a possible COVID surge,” Rauner said.

He questioned the timing of the removal, pointing out that cases and hospitalizations are on the rise.
(..)
The last statewide wastewater report before the data was removed indicated that concentrations of the virus had increased relatively sharply overall, based on preliminary data through July 19. Seven stations reported increasing levels over the previous 15 days, three counted decreasing concentrations and the rest were stable or had no recent data to report.
(..)
“How much school start will raise the spread of COVID would be best monitored with wastewater, which we now can no longer see,” he said. “So we won’t have much indication until 2-3 weeks after that fact when we see the effect on hospitalizations.”

Dr. James Lawler, associate director of the University of Nebraska Medical Center’s Global Center for Health Security, agreed that wastewater testing is a good tool for high-risk members of the community and their families to rely on to gauge their own actions in order to reduce their risk of infection.

He pointed out that state government officials have promoted the idea that Nebraskans should be free to make their own decisions about managing COVID risk.

“The state should allow people access to the data they need to make those decisions,” Lawler said.

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


You should make your decisions based on a personal risk assessment. Also we have removed all data you might use to make a personal risk assessment.

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