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GD_American posted:y'all trying to nitpick as if you don't see my point I'm not nitpicking. A professional, unemotional suicide bomber is a very new thing.
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Aug 17, 2023 02:04
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Just think out terrifying (and effective) the kamikaze campaign of Okinawa would have been if they could have gathered all the pilots up after a fight, conducted an AAR and tried again.
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A.o.D. posted:Just think out terrifying (and effective) the kamikaze campaign of Okinawa would have been if they could have gathered all the pilots up after a fight, conducted an AAR and tried again. Cyber-punk necromacner poo poo. I mean, drone directed SVBIEDs were, and are, used to great effect in the Middle East. Recon and controllers learn very well from the successes and failures of the suicide jockeys. May I recommend Hugo Kaaman for further reading?
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Aug 17, 2023 02:21
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A.o.D. posted:Think of it like kamikazes or suicide bombers who get to learn from the experience. It's human decisionmaking strapped to the nose of a bomb without making the guidance system a part of the munition. Yeah imagine if they did that during the cold war, they'd need to have the weapon rapidly unspool a continuous 'wire' behind it multiple kilometers in length as a sort of 'guidance' for the operator to look at the weapon's sensors and control it.
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Tunicate posted:Yeah imagine if they did that during the cold war, they'd need to have the weapon rapidly unspool a continuous 'wire' behind it multiple kilometers in length as a sort of 'guidance' for the operator to look at the weapon's sensors and control it. You can shoot back at the TOW operator. You have to select your target before you use a TOW. You have almost no window to select a new target. You are not as clever as you think you are.
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Tunicate posted:Yeah imagine if they did that during the cold war, they'd need to have the weapon rapidly unspool a continuous 'wire' behind it multiple kilometers in length as a sort of 'guidance' for the operator to look at the weapon's sensors and control it. Could it be towed behind a vehicle?
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Tunicate posted:Yeah imagine if they did that during the cold war, they'd need to have the weapon rapidly unspool a continuous 'wire' behind it multiple kilometers in length as a sort of 'guidance' for the operator to look at the weapon's sensors and control it.  Imagine that they kept the wire, but slaved tracking to a flare on the rear end-end of the ordinance. All the soldier had to do was keep crosshair on target. Nothing fancy. Fire your big rear end missile and wait, while everyone doesn't wait on you. I've never heard such vitriol directed towards equipment as I've heard about the Dragon. Bitching, yes. Straight up distrust in the thing, not so much.
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Skanky Burns posted:Quit complaining and drink your soy
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madeintaipei posted:
As someone who was assigned as a Dragon gunner, they are massive pieces of poo poo. It worked, but it was heavy, clumsy to use, and made you a loving target.
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A.o.D. posted:You can shoot back at the TOW operator. You have to select your target before you use a TOW. You have almost no window to select a new target. You are not as clever as you think you are. I think he’s referring to wire guided torpedoes? Which are a thing. With miles and miles of wire.
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CommieGIR posted:That was inevitable anyways, just means the Navy needs to adapt. Hell, small boats being a high risk to large fleet assets is already a known issue. The answer to this is the same as the answer was 80 years ago, 40mm bofors, just these days it's a single computer controlled barrel on a weapon station with radar and proximity fuses instead of a team of dudes operating a twin/quad with manual sights. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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One of the donated Challenger 2 tanks has been spotted in Ukraine, probably close to being in action, cope cage addon included: https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1691732758391836867 Russia has released footage of drones attacking a Ukrainian Stryker East of Robotyne. There's speculation that the reason the video cuts off so quickly at the end is that the Stryker kept on moving. Footage is both from the drone attacking the Stryker and then from the drone observing the drone attacking the Stryker: https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1691379677225463808
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I was a Stryker platoon leader in the post-deployment phase of my unit’s rotation, and (thankfully) didn’t actually deploy in that position…but I’m still interested in seeing how well they hold up vs things that aren’t IEDs or Carl Gustavs.
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I don't think that's a cope cage, I think that's a grenade cage. It's just a regular chain link fence to bounce grenades away from the hatches. Or are they all cope cages now?
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Aug 17, 2023 14:25
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Kith posted:I don't think that's a cope cage, I think that's a grenade cage. It's just a regular chain link fence to bounce grenades away from the hatches. Reportedly the chainlink cope cage works against Lancet drones.
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Aug 17, 2023 14:39
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They're useless against EFP munitions, but against drones packing high explosive charges they can either prevent detonation or protect the vehicle by giving the explosion some personal space.
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additionally both sides have been using drones to drop grenades/bomblets on otherwise disabled tanks as a way of doing considerable further damage to them before they can be recovered and that should protect against that as well. it's interesting that both sides have identified cope cages as useful protection, albeit you almost never see them on russian tanks anymore
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A.o.D. posted:giving the explosion some personal space. 
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Herstory Begins Now posted:additionally both sides have been using drones to drop grenades/bomblets on otherwise disabled tanks as a way of doing considerable further damage to them before they can be recovered and that should protect against that as well. it's interesting that both sides have identified cope cages as useful protection, albeit you almost never see them on russian tanks anymore No vets to pass along good tips anymore.
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Crab Dad posted:No vets to pass along good tips anymore. For it to be so rare across the board, I'd assume some of it is top down. Cope Cages were so heavily mocked for their silly look and complete inability to protect against the weapons systems they intended to counter, that I'd bet that multiple people who benefit from the perceived toughness of Russian tanks pushed to keep them off of vehicles that could be photographed and sent to Oryx I do rather like the idea of a tank with a hemisphere of chain link around it, mobile jungle gym of death to face the unique threats of the modern age
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I wonder when we'll start seeing tanks with mini CIWS mounted on top.
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The Door Frame posted:For it to be so rare across the board, I'd assume some of it is top down. Cope Cages were so heavily mocked for their silly look and complete inability to protect against the weapons systems they intended to counter, that I'd bet that multiple people who benefit from the perceived toughness of Russian tanks pushed to keep them off of vehicles that could be photographed and sent to Oryx Each one being a unique-ish job probably helped Oryx et al early on as well.
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psydude posted:I wonder when we'll start seeing tanks with mini CIWS mounted on top. Wasn't there an idea floated to have strykers with lasers following behind the armour for just that scenario?
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Blistex posted:Wasn't there an idea floated to have strykers with lasers following behind the armour for just that scenario? That would be so freaking awesome.
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psydude posted:I wonder when we'll start seeing tanks with mini CIWS mounted on top. Put some red paint on there and it will go faster too.
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psydude posted:I wonder when we'll start seeing tanks with mini CIWS mounted on top. In effect thats the current active protection systems for tanks - that the West mostly hasn't rolled out yet. I'd guess the developers are frantically calibrating them for incoming slow/small drones too.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:additionally both sides have been using drones to drop grenades/bomblets on otherwise disabled tanks as a way of doing considerable further damage to them before they can be recovered and that should protect against that as well. it's interesting that both sides have identified cope cages as useful protection, albeit you almost never see them on russian tanks anymore The original Russian cope cages were mostly a shutter of thick metal bars instead of the thinner mesh of the newer covers. It's clear the Russians thought they could actually do something against top attack EFP munitions, when they clearly can't. But the relatively few, thick bars on the original cages means if a drone drops a grenade on it, the grenade might bounce through the gaps. That's not going to happen with these lighter chain link fence-style cages.
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psydude posted:I wonder when we'll start seeing tanks with mini CIWS mounted on top. they arrive sometime before Hammer's Slammers
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GD_American posted:they arrive sometime before Hammer's Slammers can't wait for nuke powered tanks
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We're already past the start date for the Bolo Mark 1
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The navalization of land warfare is all but inevitable at this point, I think.
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RFC2324 posted:can't wait for nuke powered tanks I'm imagining a Russian Ogre with an RBMK in it
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Kazinsal posted:I'm imagining a Russian Ogre with an RBMK in it
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Jimmy Smuts posted:Mobile Chernobyl What has the IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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Kith posted:I don't think that's a cope cage, I think that's a grenade cage. It's just a regular chain link fence to bounce grenades away from the hatches. It was a throwaway remark by myself but while a cope cage won't stop anti-armor weapons, I hadn't thought about smaller grenade sized weapons.
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psydude posted:I wonder when we'll start seeing tanks with mini CIWS mounted on top. sadly the US chose the superweapons general instead of the laser general.
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