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Germans aren't the only ones good at CAS. Hispanos, and American 20s have like 38mm pen, and that's more than enough to rip apart almost anything from the top. They nerfed the SNEB rockets a while back but they're still good. The French Corsair is an absolute nightmare for anything on the ground.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Germans aren't the only ones good at CAS. Hispanos, and American 20s have like 38mm pen, and that's more than enough to rip apart almost anything from the top. True, US air has endless amount of 500lb bombs which are just as fuckin annoying. I just think air should have its SP cost doubled in GRB. As it stands now you can spawn a light tank, rush a point to get a cap and maybe get a couple of spot assists and you have enough points for a fully loaded plane with the -30% SP upgrade.
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Aug 17, 2023 13:47
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I think Germany's CAS dominance is mostly attributed to the effectiveness of their SPAA. The Wirbly-doo shits out 20mm like nothing else, the Ostwind II one-shots anything, and the Kugelblitz is like the Ostwind II but it can't be killed by 50 cal or 20mm guns. German players know this, and spawn in AAA all the time.
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The M19 and M42 are absolute murder machines, and I will take them in preference to a 50cal shooter every time. No matter what caliber you're shooting, getting an attacker interested in you personally and then trying to win the shootout is a losing proposition. (Except maybe for the Skink amd Kugelblitz)
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Aug 17, 2023 18:02
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I will stand by the stupid-powerful 40mm AA's, they can absolutely do the work, it's just a different attitude you need to adopt. My favorite trick is to pretend I don't see a plane, take potshots at something on the ground to lure them into a dive, then re-focus and blast it out of the sky. You can also pretend to be reloading by firing off a short burst and then just not do anything while they line up for a dive on the 'reloading AA'. For a bonus, the 40mm guns have enough range that you could theoretically smack a Pe8 at high altitude, but that's a lot of luck involved in actually hitting it at that range, imo.
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Aug 17, 2023 18:15
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gently caress the haters. CAS owns. Get gud scrubs.
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Aug 17, 2023 18:38
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Can i add in the fact that destroyed planes can still attack, drop bombs and do things to get revenge on their killer while ground pounders don't have that ability? Multiple times I've been killed by a plane i've destroyed already who either fires his guns or drops his bombs as he's spinning to the ground. gently caress that. If you get destroyed your weapons should stop working immediately.
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Aug 17, 2023 18:44
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That's roughly equivalent to a tank being able to shoot its cannon when its engine is on fire and the tracks are out. Gotta knock out the crew if you want to shut a plane down completely, same as a tank.
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Aug 17, 2023 18:47
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Make it so the game doesn't tell you you've killed a plane when it can still fire its weapons. Massively increase the reward for killing a plane. Those two things would go a huge way to taking the sting out of CAS, and I say that as a FAB enjoyer.
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Aug 17, 2023 19:11
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Add infantry so the tank players have someone to punch down against
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Aug 17, 2023 19:19
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Vengarr posted:Add infantry so the tank players have someone to punch down against I'll say it again: and make infantry the only thing that can cap points. Even if it's just "infantry vehicles"
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Aug 17, 2023 19:38
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Increase plane kill rewards and make fighters dirt cheap to spawn. Maybe "no loadout" is like -100 sp or something
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Aug 17, 2023 19:39
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Vengarr posted:Add infantry so the tank players have someone to punch down against My experience in any combined arms game is that the only thing that murders tanks faster than another tank or a plane is infantry. Given how hard this would make the player base scream/cry/rage I feel it should be implemented immediately, if not sooner.
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Aug 17, 2023 19:47
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Vengarr posted:Add infantry so the tank players have someone to punch down against If I wanted to play Battlefield or ARMA I would play those Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Massively increase the reward for killing a plane. This is another good idea
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Increase plane kill rewards and make fighters dirt cheap to spawn. Maybe "no loadout" is like -100 sp or something Straffing is a huge issue though. Just make planes more expensive.
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Isn't that what Enlisted is ultimately supposed to be? The infantry side of War Thunder? I tried playing it once and got extremely confused
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Solumin posted:That's roughly equivalent to a tank being able to shoot its cannon when its engine is on fire and the tracks are out. Gotta knock out the crew if you want to shut a plane down completely, same as a tank. Sorry, but the wing falling off, the engine on fire and the thing plumeting to the ground is not the same as a tank being on fire.
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Cimber posted:Straffing is a huge issue though. Just make planes more expensive. open tops get that no armor best armor bullshit vs tanks, pay for it by being an easy strafe. perfectly balanced as the purple man says
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Aug 17, 2023 22:00
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marxismftw posted:gently caress the haters. CAS owns. Get gud scrubs. Agreed, love doing counter-CAS in a plane as well. "Oh, you're trying to bomb my team? have a surprise dive, nerd."
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all these flying XP pinatas, is sound if you like sounds https://i.imgur.com/QSkZtT9.mp4
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My pronouns are Brrrrrrr, Brrrrt and Brrrrrrrrrrrtz!*Boom*
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Christ on a loving bike the jump from 8.7 to 9.3 Sweden has to be one of the worst experiences in the game for me so far. 8.7 > 9.7 uptiers weren't so bad, the tanks were still fairly equal and weren't too much of a generational jump. But 9.3 to 10.3? It's an entirely different loving game. 95% of my loving games are full 10.3 uptiers. Everything now has thermals. SPAA has gone back to being utterly loving useless because all the jets have fire and forget ATGMs that they can launch at like 5km+ out. I just unlocked the VEAK and it can't even get a lead indicator on radar lock passed 3km yet enemy helis can fly upside down facing the wrong way and still perfectly spawncamp you with hellfires at 4km+. Then on top of that this is your team 30 seconds into every loving game. 
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Sultan Tarquin posted:Christ on a loving bike the jump from 8.7 to 9.3 Sweden has to be one of the worst experiences in the game for me so far. 8.7 > 9.7 uptiers weren't so bad, the tanks were still fairly equal and weren't too much of a generational jump. But 9.3 to 10.3? It's an entirely different loving game. 95% of my loving games are full 10.3 uptiers. Everything now has thermals. SPAA has gone back to being utterly loving useless because all the jets have fire and forget ATGMs that they can launch at like 5km+ out. I just unlocked the VEAK and it can't even get a lead indicator on radar lock passed 3km yet enemy helis can fly upside down facing the wrong way and still perfectly spawncamp you with hellfires at 4km+. I'm just skipping that entirely and jumping straight to 10.0 for this exact reason, it is absolutely hellish with the jump in enemy capability and the matchmaker.
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Sultan Tarquin posted:Then on top of that this is your team 30 seconds into every loving game.  I'm dealing with this all the time at 7.7. Its infuriating because a decent opposing Marder will dunk on 3 idiots rushing forward, they'll quit, and thats basically the round. Also all this talk about skygods made me thirsty to bomb some tanks, and the ZSU-37/57s have been super accurate the last few days 
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Main problem with 9.0+ is that you get within T-72 TURMS range which has to be one of the more obnoxious premiums in the game. Sweden does pick up again when you get the CV9040s, which are some of the most fun little tanks you can rat around in in the game. I've been running a 10.0 lineup with the 9040C, the anti air 9040, and the premium 90105 and it kicks rear end.
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I've faced a few of them and I don't find them quite as annoying as the stream of T-55AM-1's that you face when you hit 8.0. Maybe because the Finnish T-72 actually has armour and bounces a decent amount of shots.
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YF-23 posted:Main problem with 9.0+ is that you get within T-72 TURMS range which has to be one of the more obnoxious premiums in the game. Sweden does pick up again when you get the CV9040s, which are some of the most fun little tanks you can rat around in in the game. I've been running a 10.0 lineup with the 9040C, the anti air 9040, and the premium 90105 and it kicks rear end. I've played a bunch of 10.0 recently too, with my friend in the 90105 and me in the AMX-40. It's surprisingly fun!
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Just got a kill on a Panther G with a artillery smoke shot. That dude _has_ to be pissed.
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Just got an EC map (Afghanistan) in a 2.0 Air RB match. Me and my Buffalo, forever climbing.
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tabbed out to stir my lunch and come back to this claim that i'd been stunted on. sounds quite badass whatever happened
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  playing as a rando pubbie in Ground Realistic with US 8.0 BR is an exercise in frustration / crotch-punching. Nothing is necessarily bad, but nothing is really good (including the premiums unless I'm missing something) and most importantly literally every single enemy can one-shot you, while your ability to one-shot is very situational. US's air line up is excellent so sometimes the team can get the entire flying circus going, but unless they all spawn at once they're going to get dunked by multiple Gepards/ZSUs. I did get a triple kill with F3D 1000lb bombs, and I rammed an Alouett and killed it, so whose to say if its all bad 
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The Object 279 is really good at making people mad! This time I got cussed out in Italian. 
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M48/M60s are just thoroughly mediocre tanks compared to their BR contemporaries. Someone will always be faster, or have a better gun or armor, sometimes all three, and you will always meet them at the wrong time. Don't ask why other medium tanks with stabilizers and LRFs are at your BR. It gets (slightly) better at 8.3. T95E1 is a great hull-down sniper, M3 is a capable scout (I pretend the M551 doesn't exist), M60A1 finally gets a stabilizer, and the M60A2 is super fun... once you've unlocked the LRF.
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Punished Ape posted:M48/M60s are just thoroughly mediocre tanks compared to their BR contemporaries. Someone will always be faster, or have a better gun or armor, sometimes all three, and you will always meet them at the wrong time. Don't ask why other medium tanks with stabilizers and LRFs are at your BR. Honestly, and I know i've posted this before, I think I'm just done with this pay-to-win casino bullshit. I'm the mark, but its not money I'm losing, its time. The entire game is set up to encourage and capitalize on griefing/griefers. I literally cannot remember the last time I was in a winning match (says I won one recently so it must've happened miraculously after I returned to hanger) but the last 351246813568 have all ended in suicidal gangbangs where Gaijin forces me to spawn (or make that crew wait out another round!) to get instantly killed in my spawn and get another repair bill. That doesn't consider all the of the actual pay-to-win vehicles I face literally every match - Turm III, IS-6, ME-262 50mm, on and on. Getting spawn killed by the 200 dollar 5.3 jet is  Normally I'd just go play air arcade and make some lions and shoot some folks, but Gaijin utterly hosed that too. Bombing tanks doesn't need to be a SL printing machine, but the changes to the rewards actively encourages dickheads to camp the air spawn in specific planes that have specifically broken flight models. Finally, the other pubbies in this game are next level stupid. Ignoring losing multiple rounds  because one dude in a BF-109 gets above your spawn in air arcade, the idiots playing ground are even loving dumber. One match on Port Nwhatever, an enemy light tank drove straight to B and popped smoke and NOBODY ON OUR TEAM COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO AND WE loving LOST TO A DUDE ENDLESSLY POPPING SMOKE ON B. For whatever reason I have a giant target on me in this game and will literally always be the one shot out of a group, so I sat at the death screen and watched three loving morons on my team drive around the smoke shooting into it. They literally couldnt figure out that they couldnt take the point with the guy alive, and they just didnt have the brains to drive into the smoke and shoot them - despite me loving raging on chat. yeah yeah I know, play with LAME, but  I'm not really familiar with the discord interface so I can't figure out when people are playing
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Vampire Panties posted:Nothing is necessarily bad, but nothing is really good (including the premiums unless I'm missing something) and most importantly literally every single enemy can one-shot you, while your ability to one-shot is very situational. Vampire Panties posted:For whatever reason I have a giant target on me in this game and will literally always be the one shot out of a group... I think - and I genuinely don't mean this as a dunk, just a statement - that you might be playing badly and it's affecting your enjoyment. Not that War Thunder doesn't have entire galaxies of stupid poo poo worth being very annoyed at, mind you.
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That whole post is kind of crazy and the fact that other people don't have that kind of super negative experience (while still having bad days when it feels like that) should tip you off that you are approaching the game wrongly, either in attitude or in tactics. When your teams are poo poo you have to play around that, when you end up next to someone competent that reacts to your map marking and chat messages you make use of it and so on. I find player skill tends to drop off a lot at the BR extremes - low ranks are filled with inexperienced people, top ranks are filled with people who got to the top through perseverance and paid shortcuts without learning how to play properly. It is mostly between BRs 6.0 and 8.0 that I really fear about being seriously outsmarted. All that said, the 50mm Me 262 isn't premium or event, it's sitting on the attacker line and anyone can research it.
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If the game is having that much of a negative effect on you, you should consider taking a break or limiting your play time. For the last few years I've only played enough to max my squadron activity. Research isn't as fast, but I save my sanity. I definitely get the frustration though. I'm sitting on a 90% loss rate at 7.7 China trying to spade my M48 (don't ask). Going from APCR non-pens and miniscule damage to HEAT just disappearing all with constant uptiers is the most  thing. Haven't played in a week. Maybe tomorrow! Maybe not.
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The spawn camping in Air AB is a severe problem, and it's why I don't play that mode above like BR 3.0. It's pretty much guaranteed to happen in every match, it's just rarer at the lowest BRs. Your team doesn't react to it because there's essentially nothing you can do about it, or they're unaware of it. You can also go do it yourself to the other team. I've tried it before and it's extremely soul draining but very effective. I've just started playing again after a ~9 month break, myself. Breaks are good and healthy.
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Solumin posted:The spawn camping in Air AB is a severe problem, and it's why I don't play that mode above like BR 3.0. It's pretty much guaranteed to happen in every match, it's just rarer at the lowest BRs. I used to get frustrated by it, but if you just dive when you spawn the camper either has to follow you and lose their height advantage or stay up high and you get away
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Farecoal posted:I used to get frustrated by it, but if you just dive when you spawn the camper either has to follow you and lose their height advantage or stay up high and you get away You’re both in an Air AB match. You’ve both already lost.
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