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I'm anti-sleeve. How many times does a game get played enough that you really wear out a copy?
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jesus WEP posted:how many games do you have where the last time you took it out was to sleeve it? i have at least 3 but i know someone will beat that I have at least 4 but one of them I only got recently. Would be 5 but I played Concordia sleeved for the first time yesterday. Actually, this post is now about Concordia Solitaria and specifically the co-op mode. It has team play similar to Venus, but I have actually not yet played with the Venus cards yet and now that my number of Concordia players locally is an odd number I might not have a chance for a while. The co-op works just like the solo mode where you take an action and it responds, but between those two actions your teammate takes the same action as you (except in the case of the dual identities) and Contrarius only reacts to what you do. Just as in the solo play, the automa that controls Contrarius is pretty simple. Its actions are intuitive, with the only slow down when trying to figure out where it builds, but since that is almost always limited to one type, the options are few. It mostly acts the same as a player would do, except it doesn't seem to do something like move a colonist to the far side of a city it is building in to get closer to the far off territories. Overall, I think it was wise to make Contrarius not use money or goods or anything and let it remain quite snappy. The two starting hands are different from each other: one has a Prefect and an Architect, one has a Diplomat and a Prefect With Prefectus Magnus. It might seem unfair, but you get to get the double bonus just the same when they use it. The Legatus card is interesting; it basically tells your teammate to go instead, if you really need to change up the order of operations and have them Mercator first or something. With only one player having a Diplomat, if Contrarius randomly takes it, it does kind of hem in your options. Same as in the solo, for the most part Contrarius' reactions pivot away from your actions: if you buy cards, it builds and if you build, it takes cards, and most of the rest of the time it gains points in proportion to the value of the region you're hitting. We lost: we both built extensively, but it grabbed twice as many cards as we did so despite each of our cards being so much more valuable it wasn't enough. We had a good time with it, though it's more complicated being able to review the board to make sure you're both in a position to use the Architect or Praetor or whatever. We got a little AP while planning multiple moves ahead in ways we don't in a normal game, for the most part. I don't think it's as good as the solo or normal competitive gameplay, but it's a perfectly nice way to play if you want co-op.
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Aug 17, 2023 16:02
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Frozen Peach posted:I'm anti-sleeve. How many times does a game get played enough that you really wear out a copy? - Gloomhaven (but only the player and modifier decks) - The Crew - Scout - Hanabi - Space Alert I guess Dominion, too, but that's so many cards. I looked at the effort/expense of sleeving that, and decided I'd rather just buy a new copy if the cards ever got too worn to play with.
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Aug 17, 2023 16:05
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Tekopo posted:I like the matte transparent from dragon shields, but I only sleeve for games that require shuffling. Most other sleeves feel too flimsy or slippery to me. These are the only sleeves I'll use for standard sized cards. With other sleeves, cards tend to go right up to the top or even poke out a millimeter.
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Aug 17, 2023 16:11
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I sleeve games that get played a lot. It's not like I'm baselessly paranoid about cards wearing out and tearing. It's actually happened to my games. When my Spirit Island cards started to split (a game with hardly any shuffling) I sleeved it immediately.
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Aug 17, 2023 16:20
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I sleeve games that are old oe out of print which is a lot of my collection. It only takes one accident or drink to ruin cards. I prefer unsleeved feel though.
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Aug 17, 2023 17:03
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Sleeving cards is a relaxing activity so I am pro-sleeve
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Aug 17, 2023 17:04
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I sleeve my cards so I don’t have to come off like a psycho when I ask my friends to wipe the Cheeto dust off their hands before playing a board game. edit: likewise the amount of self-control I exert when people at the table absentmindedly bend cards is laudatory.
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Aug 17, 2023 17:18
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normalise eating board game snacks with chopsticks, imo
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Aug 17, 2023 17:23
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Frozen Peach posted:I'm anti-sleeve. How many times does a game get played enough that you really wear out a copy? I like sleeveing games. Its a zen-type thing for me. I'm weirdly quick about. But I also do not have so many games that I will never get through them and like to replay games. I also don't get the most expensive sleeves, because I do not like paying a much for sleeves as I do for the game
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Aug 17, 2023 17:45
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Frozen Peach posted:I'm anti-sleeve. How many times does a game get played enough that you really wear out a copy? I have covered this already  Morpheus posted:Will I play the games more than a few times? How about shut uuuuup Feels Villeneuve posted:Sleeving cards is a relaxing activity so I am pro-sleeve Yeah I do like this part. I've got a box of sleeve containers/bags and whenever I get a game I want to sleeve I sit down with it, go through the sleeves to find the right fit, sleeve the cards while listening to some music or something, it's quite nice. I stack my games vertically so poo poo gets messed up, I get the same vibe when I sit down to open the box and put everything in the right place, looking through the pieces and cards as I do. Meditative, almost. I will draw a line at sleeving sometimes though. For example, I have a copy of Millenium Blades. Not going to sleeve that one. And when it comes to, like, Arkham Horror LCG, I sleeve the players that are playing, and the current encounter deck, and that's it. When the scenario's over, I take the encounter deck sleeves off and transfer them to the next set.
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Aug 17, 2023 17:50
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then there’s this poo poo
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Aug 17, 2023 17:50
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For me sleeving is much less about protecting and much more about how much nicer the cards feel and how much easier it is to mash shuffle. I play a whole lot of mtg though so sleeving is super normalised and I have a ton of spares kicking around.
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Aug 17, 2023 17:52
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For something like dice throne? gently caress you I sleeve everything. For Frosthaven? I am a minimalist kinda. Player cards, amds, curses, and blessds.
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Aug 17, 2023 17:56
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!Klams posted:For me sleeving is much less about protecting and much more about how much nicer the cards feel and how much easier it is to mash shuffle. Oh yeah this is a big thing for me. I can't ripple shuffle worth poo poo (and I don't like how it bends the cards) so being able to mash shuffle is a huge boon. Hey I won't begrudge people who want, like, real premium stuff, especially if they're getting a lot of plays out of their games. I see it like people who want metal coins or minis instead of tokens, that sort of thing.
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Aug 17, 2023 17:58
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Would t want those near-indestructible waterproof cards getting damaged…
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Aug 17, 2023 18:06
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Everything I own is sleeved if sleeves at all exist (and I would be getting coin capsules for stuff like Orleans if I wasn't thinking of getting the geekup set already). Importing games is a pain in the rear end, the only non-local publisher that brings their stock here is Devir. Like, you want a big, meaty euro? Here are your locally available options: - Lost Ruins of Arnak - IKI - Praga Caput Regni - Messina 1347 - Marco Polo II - Bitoku - The Red Cathedral That's it. Anything else, I pay between $30 and $50 in shipping + 75% taxes + customs fees. So the cheapest Concordia copy I can get is $160. Smaller stuff like Jaipur or Hanamikoji is around $60 to $80. And these are the cheaper options - very few stores, comparatively, ship to Argentina. To give you an idea, my collection would sell for about $2500 (USD, just to be clear) and I own 60 games, none of which are deluxe editions or kickstarter games lol Also, you get a limited amount of imports per year before you start paying around 50% more per import. Did I mention the import process can take a month and a half at its quickest? Now you know why I sleeve everything under the sun. Azran fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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Aug 17, 2023 18:09
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My sleeve-a-game diagnosis looks like this: 1. How likely are these cards to show wear during normal gameplay? 2. How important is it that these cards do not show wear? 3. How unpleasant will it be to replace these? I'll never sleeve Sushi Go or Bohnanza because they are in-print and inexpensive (point 3) and I would need to play them A LOT before they deteriorate (point 1). I sleeve Coup, because the game is ruined if a card is marked (point 2) and I don't want to buy 15 new cards for $14 (point 3) I sleeve every deckbuilder because there's so much shuffling (point 1), and the uneven wear of starter cards will spoil the game (point 2). I sleeve expensive or out of print games, because <$5 of sleeves is a lot better than paying $100+ to replace key components (point 3). I sleeve most of my games I play with my kids, because the added stiffness helps them not mangle the cards with their grubby paws and helps them shuffle. (I also prefer mash shuffling with sleeves)
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Aug 17, 2023 18:20
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Yeah for example I would never sleeve stuff that isn't on the table or is only rarely held in hand e.g Gloomhaven's event cards
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Aug 17, 2023 18:28
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Frozen Peach posted:I'm anti-sleeve. How many times does a game get played enough that you really wear out a copy? Once is all it takes when somebody is eating or drinking carelessly, or somebody decides they need to riffle shuffle their deck of ten cards and in doing so creases some.
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Aug 17, 2023 18:46
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I sleeve every game I buy because shuffling unsleeved cards feels bad
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Aug 17, 2023 18:48
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WhiteHowler posted:
I have a sleeved copy of Dominion with all expansions and I very much recommend that people do not sleeve Dominion. It'll be your base cards that show wear long before any kingdom cards and they sell a SKU of just base cards. I've got to many sunk costs to stop now, though.
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Aug 17, 2023 18:54
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I sleeve anything with a relatively low number of cards where a marked card would impact the game like good face bad face or coup. I’ll also sleeve anything that is out of print. I’ll sometimes sleeve games that requires a large amount of handling and shuffling the cards, but they have to still fit in the original box, which precludes many oinks and many card games I like including photograph and voodoo prince. and then there’s netrunner which has like five actively-used discernibly-different cardbacks for each side (FFG regular, FFG promo, Nisei, NSG, proxies) so that all gets sleeved no matter what.Frozen Peach posted:I'm anti-sleeve. How many times does a game get played enough that you really wear out a copy? says the lady with vested interest in ensuring perpetual sales of her trick-taker  
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Aug 17, 2023 19:12
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I once played with someone that had a copy of a game (I can't remember which one, it was some MWE, but it wasn't bad), and had every single counter in the game preserved within a tiny ziplock bag. And when I mean every single one, I do mean every single one. I don't know if the guy was an extreme germophobe or really didn't want to see any tear-and-wear on his games. Like tiny ziplocks, I didn't even know they existed. Think stuff like that, but smaller: 
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Aug 17, 2023 19:19
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if someone owns those they are either a clean freak, or are extremely into drugs
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Aug 17, 2023 19:19
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homullus posted:Once is all it takes when somebody is eating or drinking carelessly, or somebody decides they need to riffle shuffle their deck of ten cards and in doing so creases some. That reminds me, I have a friend that plays a LOT of Netrunner who has a habit of....I don't know how to explain it, they transfer cards from one hand to another, one card at a time, by sliding it across their hand of cards with a snap sound, repeatedly with each card. Doesn't affect the cards or anything, but man, it bugs the hell out of me and generally I throw something at him. Also has a tendency to snap counters and tokens idly on the table. Anyone else know someone like this?
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Aug 17, 2023 19:28
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Morpheus posted:That reminds me, I have a friend that plays a LOT of Netrunner who has a habit of....I don't know how to explain it, they transfer cards from one hand to another, one card at a time, by sliding it across their hand of cards with a snap sound, repeatedly with each card. Doesn't affect the cards or anything, but man, it bugs the hell out of me and generally I throw something at him. Also has a tendency to snap counters and tokens idly on the table. Anyone else know someone like this? I feel every TCG player does that
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Aug 17, 2023 19:37
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Morpheus posted:That reminds me, I have a friend that plays a LOT of Netrunner who has a habit of....I don't know how to explain it, they transfer cards from one hand to another, one card at a time, by sliding it across their hand of cards with a snap sound, repeatedly with each card. Doesn't affect the cards or anything, but man, it bugs the hell out of me and generally I throw something at him. Also has a tendency to snap counters and tokens idly on the table. Anyone else know someone like this? pretty sure we have the same friend (also a goon, name starts with k) and he’s the most aggressive flicker I’ve encountered at the table. played scout with him the other day and it was a small lol seeing him actively working to not compulsively flick
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Aug 17, 2023 19:43
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Jewmanji posted:I sleeve my cards so I don’t have to come off like a psycho when I ask my friends to wipe the Cheeto dust off their hands before playing a board game. Are you me? I sleeve everything because otherwise I spend half the game trying to psychically will everyone else at the table to be nice to my drat cards. Or I can sleeve them and relax.
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Aug 17, 2023 20:01
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panko posted:pretty sure we have the same friend (also a goon, name starts with k) and he’s the most aggressive flicker I’ve encountered at the table. played scout with him the other day and it was a small lol seeing him actively working to not compulsively flick ...wait, did you also play Brass, Hamsterrolle, and Hansa Teutonica with him the other day, because if so lol.
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Aug 17, 2023 20:02
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Morpheus posted:That reminds me, I have a friend that plays a LOT of Netrunner who has a habit of....I don't know how to explain it, they transfer cards from one hand to another, one card at a time, by sliding it across their hand of cards with a snap sound, repeatedly with each card. Doesn't affect the cards or anything, but man, it bugs the hell out of me and generally I throw something at him. Also has a tendency to snap counters and tokens idly on the table. Anyone else know someone like this? To the degree it got a meme card in one of the mtg joke sets:
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Aug 17, 2023 20:04
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Morpheus posted:...wait, did you also play Brass, Hamsterrolle, and Hansa Teutonica with him the other day, because if so lol.  it was an uncommon game day where I picked and brought over the entire itinerary (hamsterrolle, mountain goats, hansa teutonica, brass lancashire, scout, hamsterrolle again). I sussed out that you knew him a few months back because he mentioned in the board game channel on our netrunner discord that he was hosting a friend at his place and that he got gingkopolis to the table, and you’d posted in this thread that you were staying over with a friend and had played gink.
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Aug 17, 2023 20:22
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RabidWeasel posted:Are you me? I sleeve everything because otherwise I spend half the game trying to psychically will everyone else at the table to be nice to my drat cards. Or I can sleeve them and relax. My spouse struggles with dry skin and treats her hands with vaseline during the winter. So, yeah. Being accommodating to my them is always going to be more important that keeping my stupid board game in mint condition, but still.
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Aug 17, 2023 20:46
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canyoneer posted:My sleeve-a-game diagnosis looks like this: (* I sleeved Pandemic long ago in opaque-backed sleeves of two different colors because I had the first edition base game, which was incompatible in design with at least one of the expansions, so I had to obfuscate the backs of the cards.) --- On another note: I think I may be done with Viticulture. The game is just too reliant on visitor cards. Whether it's the base set or the Rhine Valley replacements, there's so much variability that it can really turn the game on a dime...or keep you standing still. "Build a cottage," you say, "and get twice as many cards, improving your odds of getting a good card!" Ehh, if I wanted a game with two stacks of random cards that ruled your success in the game, I'd pull out Monopoly. What burns me is not that they're all super-good, but that some are "earn $2 or plant a vine" and others are "upgrade your cellar (a $6 savings if you go from medium to large)." If they all had roughly equal utility, or if you had to go out of your way to draw them -- or maybe no one gets them after the start unless you have the cottage, in which case you get one of your choice each year -- maybe the game would be more enjoyable. Also: the wake-up mechanic is clever but the rewards for going early are just too good. When I acquire the rights and reprint the game: going 1st will be -1 VP, 2nd is get nothing, 3rd is $1, 4th is green card, 5th is purple card, 6th is a VP or a visitor card (your choice), and 7th is the extra worker.
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Aug 17, 2023 22:57
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I like Viticulture a lot, but for me it goes in the bucket of games that give you a really good Euro feel but aren't going to be exciting competitively. I love a lot of games like this (Lord of Waterdeep is a big one for me) but I go a while between plays and usually with people who don't play a ton of games. I'm not sure if you could fix Viticulture, I think if you tuned it to be more competitive it would lose more than it gains. But yeah for something I want to play over and over I'd go with something else.
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Aug 17, 2023 23:39
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I generally avoid visitor cards entirely in Viticulture mainly because I dislike them but also because I've often heard that visitor cards are crucial and I disagree. It's entirely possible to play competitively without leaning on them, you just gotta always be VP'ing at every chance. Seriously though if you're the only player NOT leaning on visitor cards I think that might actually translate to a (slight) advantage? Since unlike everyone else you aren't spending actions on it.
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Aug 18, 2023 00:20
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The Eyes Have It posted:Seriously though if you're the only player NOT leaning on visitor cards I think that might actually translate to a (slight) advantage? Since unlike everyone else you aren't spending actions on it. Does Tuscany solve any of the problems with the game? Oddly, I like it in theory, until I think about it or play it. Others like it, I'm going to have to play it, so I'm venting and I suppose grasping for a solution. I should just quit my complaining and try to convince everyone to play Concordia instead, a much better game, even if the theming is a little drier than Viticulture.
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Aug 18, 2023 01:03
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Admiralty Flag posted:On another note: I think I may be done with Viticulture. The game is just too reliant on visitor cards. Whether it's the base set or the Rhine Valley replacements, there's so much variability that it can really turn the game on a dime...or keep you standing still. "Build a cottage," you say, "and get twice as many cards, improving your odds of getting a good card!" Ehh, if I wanted a game with two stacks of random cards that ruled your success in the game, I'd pull out Monopoly. This also made Viticulture World largely crap for me - it was fun checking out each of the continents once, but the actual gameplay is just cycling through looking for the visitor cards that are busted in co-op and getting them to the right person while hoping that the ridic sell wine tile comes out.
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Aug 18, 2023 01:56
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I sleeved my copy of sekigahara because the cards feel awful to shuffle unsleeved
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Games that I know I will want to keep in my collection for a long time and/or will see heavy rotation is the way I decide what to sleeve. Honestly could stand to sleeve a few more games tbh Matte backs only. Slippery sleeves nooooooooo. Admiralty Flag posted:On another note: I think I may be done with Viticulture. The game is just too reliant on visitor cards. My friends really like Viticulture and while I don't mind playing it, you're absolutely right about the Visitor cards. No matter how good the ground work for your wine making engine is, players can completely swing the game with a lucky or unlucky Visitor draw. It feels really 'decoupled' from the main loop of the game, having this luck based factor being such a strong potentiality for how your engine progresses, and it would probably be improved dramatically having it as a Market/Visitor row that refreshes every season. "Oh these are the 4-5 vip tourists that are visiting our vineyards this season" and then deciding to grab/deny them becomes a much bigger factor.
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