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Raskolnikov2089 posted:a face shield and no mask. A bit ago someone said something to the effect of "we've known for the vast majority of this pandemic that covid is airborne." This is a clear indicator that even covid-cautious people still believe it is primarily spread by droplets. At least, I can't think of any other explanation.
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Aug 18, 2023 02:37
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Malgrin posted:A bit ago someone said something to the effect of "we've known for the vast majority of this pandemic that covid is airborne." This is a clear indicator that even covid-cautious people still believe it is primarily spread by droplets. At least, I can't think of any other explanation. Trump himself told interviewers that it was airborne in March of 2020 lmao Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud has issued a correction as of 02:44 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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Aug 18, 2023 02:39
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Malgrin posted:A bit ago someone said something to the effect of "we've known for the vast majority of this pandemic that covid is airborne." This is a clear indicator that even covid-cautious people still believe it is primarily spread by droplets. At least, I can't think of any other explanation. Well, QCS believes it's absorbed through the skin, so who can say what's true?
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Aug 18, 2023 02:43
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NeonPunk posted:Speaking of reporting data, just check out that pop up on the WHO dashboard lol lol get hosed WHO dashboard 
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Aug 18, 2023 03:03
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NYT asks "How Bad Is a Second (or Third or Fourth) Case of Covid?" https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/well/live/covid-reinfection.html (note the live well; live your best life!) quote:Doctors and scientists who study Covid-19 agree that for most people, getting infected for a second — or third or fourth — time is basically inevitable. The first loving sentence is complete garbage! gently caress you!!
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Aug 18, 2023 03:09
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SardonicTyrant posted:If anything, it would follow that it's economically cost efficient to not let an infectious respiratory virus spread across a country for three years. see, the mistake that you're making is thinking about "three years" instead of "next quarter"
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Aug 18, 2023 03:09
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icantfindaname posted:Is carageenan spray supposed to sting? I was using an off brand for a while and it would sting, now I got the flo travel name brand and it doesn't. Am I doing it wrong, either before or now? i tried the carrageenan and the saline rinse and gave thoughts about it in the previous thread. the saline rinse didn’t have much sting or tingle. i initially thought the carrageenan didn’t have any sting, since i didn’t have any comparison points before hand, but i now recognize a bit of a sting from it. it is somewhat lessened by spraying back into the sinus vs the straight up the nose method i thought was correct. both bottles of the flo brand have had the same sting
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Aug 18, 2023 03:11
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BA.X, the everything variant!
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Aug 18, 2023 03:12
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eXXon posted:NYT asks "How Bad Is a Second (or Third or Fourth) Case of Covid?" lol an article from 2021 *reads headline* oh no
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Aug 18, 2023 03:13
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Pingui posted:Slide deck on BA.X/BA.2.86/BA.6/Danish Variant/Frederiksen Variant/whatever you want to call it (from Bloom Lab): We "only" have four sequences of this uploaded in a short amount of time in several different regions. Considering the absolutely pitiful amount of sequencing being done right now to the amount of sequencing being done in late 2021 when OG Omicron showed up, that does not instill any sort of confidence that this isn't already widely seeded. [Edited to add]: Ryan sums it up well; if it spreads quickly there will be fewer mutations between the sequences than if it spreads slowly. At first it looked like there were quite a few differences between the sequences from different continents but that might actually be due to artifacts. We'll find out what the case is when more inevitably get uploaded now that more labs will be on the lookout. https://twitter.com/LongDesertTrain/status/1692282979928703274 Rosalind posted:I wrote a request to the Nebraska DHHS Epi department general email for access to the wastewater data from my academic email since I couldn't identify a contactperson. I will let this thread know if I hear anything back. Please let us know what you find out! Zantie has issued a correction as of 03:42 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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Aug 18, 2023 03:15
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eXXon posted:NYT asks "How Bad Is a Second (or Third or Fourth) Case of Covid?" Sure, but the second, third and fourth sentences are probably better because you build up immunity
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Aug 18, 2023 03:34
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Real Mean Queen posted:Sure, but the second, third and fourth sentences are probably better because you build up immunity
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Aug 18, 2023 03:40
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Why are these new variants worse than the other ones? My brain is having trouble comprehending this..perhaps because I am a walking COVID magnet, so could someone tell me what makes Eris and the other one terrible?
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Aug 18, 2023 04:32
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mawarannahr posted:here's epothex Probably the alcohol. quote:Can cause itching for some people: "As is the case for most preservatives, benzyl alcohol can, unfortunately, be an irritant and cause itching for some people," says Krant.
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Aug 18, 2023 04:35
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Yep it’s that, mucous membranes do not like alcohols
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Aug 18, 2023 04:40
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Pillowpants posted:Why are these new variants worse than the other ones? My brain is having trouble comprehending this..perhaps because I am a walking COVID magnet, so could someone tell me what makes Eris and the other one terrible? They're more transmissible/immune evasive, they seem to be asymptomatic longer and they're putting more people in the hospital, is the gist of it (though that could be because they're infecting more people not necessarily because they're more virulent).
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Aug 18, 2023 04:44
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Pillowpants posted:Why are these new variants worse than the other ones? My brain is having trouble comprehending this..perhaps because I am a walking COVID magnet, so could someone tell me what makes Eris and the other one terrible? I'm seriously overly simplifying it, but the more mutations a new subvariant has away from what we currently have circulating, or previously had exposure to, the more "unrecognized" it is to our immune system. For generalized context Omicron had over 30 mutations different from the original in 2019 and this new one is >30 mutations different than Omicron. People largely focus on mutations involving the spike protein that result an amino acid change, though I'd argue it's worth paying attention to regions other than the spike protein but that's a discussion for another day... Right now the new sublineage we're talking about (BA.2.86), its spike protein has >30 amino acid changes from it's parent of BA.2 (an omicron), it's also >30 compared to XBB.1.5 (an omicron recombinant), and has nearly 60 different from the original back in 2019. We don't know yet how quickly BA.2.86 is spreading or just how immune evasive it is because it's too early to tell. In general though it's a lot harder for our immune system to recognize and mount a quick response, whether it be from prior infection or vaccination or both, when a new one looks this different. I'm like totally uninterested in EG.5.1/Eris now because of BA.2.86. EG.5.1 is one of many heading up our current wave but I'm looking past that at what will likely be the one after it. Zantie has issued a correction as of 05:04 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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Aug 18, 2023 04:57
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quote:Doctors and scientists who study Covid-19 agree that for most common people, getting infected for a second — or third or fourth — time is basically inevitable.
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Aug 18, 2023 05:10
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Zantie posted:
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Aug 18, 2023 05:11
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That is mildly concerning.
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Aug 18, 2023 05:13
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eXXon posted:Doctors and scientists who study Covid-19 agree that for most people, getting infected for a second — or third or fourth — time is basically inevitable. (Padme face)  Per lifetime, right?(Padme face)  Per lifetime, right?
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Aug 18, 2023 05:16
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Real Mean Queen posted:Sure, but the second, third and fourth sentences are probably better because you build up immunity lol. Either that or get permanent brain damage. (there's a commenter who described taking every precaution but still catching covid seven times and having to give up her successful psychology practice due to long covid brain fog but I refuse to believe all of that)
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Aug 18, 2023 05:17
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fosborb posted:general thread thing The thing is, if they don't admit it's covid to hide it, not noting it happened is colluding in their covering it up. Following some kind of moneyed public relations decorum to everyone's disadvantage. I was thinking also government and capital will go all out this time to bury any indication of this next wave so they can say it's over. They've been doing that all along, and they'll keep trying until everyone gives up. Kind of counterproductive to cooperate with and enforce that imo. ibid has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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Aug 18, 2023 05:18
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Zantie posted:Right now the new sublineage we're talking about (BA.2.86), its spike protein has >30 amino acid changes from it's parent of BA.2 (an omicron), it's also >30 compared to XBB.1.5 (an omicron recombinant), and has nearly 60 different from the original back in 2019. Rochallor posted:(Padme face) 
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Aug 18, 2023 05:21
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Bastard Tetris posted:Yep it’s that, mucous membranes do not like alcohols I've been reading about mucins lately, gotta keep your mucins happy. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7663010/ https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acscentsci.1c01369
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Aug 18, 2023 05:28
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I haven’t been infected, afaik, for even a first time so those doctors and scientists can gently caress right off
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Aug 18, 2023 05:36
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jetz0r posted:Fixed to follow WHO guidelines. 
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Aug 18, 2023 05:40
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(The word common wasn't there until I added it. Supposed to be a critique of the article and more accurate to what they were saying,)
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Aug 18, 2023 05:41
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Glumwheels posted:I haven’t been infected, afaik, for even a first time so those doctors and scientists can gently caress right off
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Aug 18, 2023 05:46
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Zugzwang posted:Do we know much about the new mutations yet? I remember when Omicron showed up, it was a who's who of all the possible mutations that experts were worried about, plus some more. There's a list of them in the slides published by Bloom that Pingui linked earlier. They aren't encouraging though, mostly tied to the usual ones found in chronic infections. Obviously we don't know how these particular mutations may differ in presentation together vs separately either and most of what's outlined with them (regarding concern/severity) are based in hypotheticals. Zugzwang posted:(Doctors and scientists) lol Zantie has issued a correction as of 05:58 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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Aug 18, 2023 05:52
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Zantie posted:I'm seriously overly simplifying it, but the more mutations a new subvariant has away from what we currently have circulating, or previously had exposure to, the more "unrecognized" it is to our immune system. For generalized context Omicron had over 30 mutations different from the original in 2019 and this new one is >30 mutations different than Omicron. fwiw hospitalizations have been stagnant for the past week, hovering around 790 0- so this wave maybe be over, or they’re hiding it
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Aug 18, 2023 05:57
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Zantie posted:There's a list of them in the slides published by Bloom that Pingui linked earlier. They aren't encouraging though, mostly tied to the usual ones found in chronic infections. Obviously we don't know how these particular mutations may differ in presentation together vs separately either and most of what's outlined with them (regarding concern/severity) are based in hypotheticals.  I agree that it's hard to know the situation atm given how little sequencing we're now doing. "Only" 4 sequences might be a lot in a low-surveillance scenario. I'm too tired to plot it now, but I think the rate of new submissions to GISAID has really gone off a cliff over the last few months. Not surprising at all when you consider the ending of the public health emergency etc etc
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Aug 18, 2023 06:03
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Pillowpants posted:fwiw hospitalizations have been stagnant for the past week, hovering around 790 0- so this wave maybe be over, or they’re hiding it Jort Fortress posted:My 91yo grandma has been stuck in a nursing home doing rehab the past 2 weeks after breaking her hip at home. Shockingly, both her and my grandpa are now sick with Summer Flu for the first time. Guess my grandpa had it so bad he was hospitalized the last 3 nights, and according to my uncle they didn't even test him for Covid, instead suggesting it might be bronchitis or RSV. They also told my uncle he didn't need to wear his mask in the hospital, lmao. Or just not testing
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Aug 18, 2023 06:07
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https://twitter.com/JPWeiland/status/1692307567123546355
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Aug 18, 2023 06:13
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https://twitter.com/pedsmd2b/status/1692319357333037385 https://twitter.com/pedsmd2b/status/1692323957733814296 ibid has issued a correction as of 06:25 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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Aug 18, 2023 06:21
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I will never get over how funny the duck masks are, I love them
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Aug 18, 2023 06:30
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ibid posted:https://twitter.com/pedsmd2b/status/1692319357333037385 I went to the doctor today for a check on my cholesterol and overheard the nurse inform the doctor my case and at the end say “oh he’s wearing a mask”. Now why would she say that? Maybe she said it so the doctor would wear a mask and make me feel comfortable? The doctor is pregnant so if I were here I’d definitely be masked too. Not a single other person in the office (patient or staff I saw) was wearing a mask. You’re going into a place potentially with sick, immunocompromised people why would you risk getting sick or making others sick??
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Aug 18, 2023 06:47
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doctors offices are a virus neutral zone. a DMZ. they aren't allowed to infect you while you are there.
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Aug 18, 2023 06:50
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Too Many Birds posted:doctors offices are a virus neutral zone. a DMZ. they aren't allowed to infect you while you are there. pursuant to complaints about questionable medical advice arising from the c-spam covid thread, I regret to inform you that viruses are too tiny to hold pens and have thus not signed any accords recognizing this or any other negotiation, despite the best efforts of the very best and brightest liberal minds to rules-lawyer material reality out of existence
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Aug 18, 2023 06:56
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Bastard Tetris posted:I will never get over how funny the duck masks are, I love them
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