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KomradeX posted:Now I'm not an army guy, but there doesn't seem to be much air droppable about the Challenger 2. So why would you arm your air assault unit with it? It weighs 60 tons, you drop one of those bad boys out the back of a plane it could probably gently caress something up
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Too bad they blew up the big plane though, that thing coulda held up to 9 kinetic tank bombs
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Aug 18, 2023 14:16
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Their inability to keep the mask on really undermines all of the work Snyder and Applebaum have done for them.
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Aug 18, 2023 14:16
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crepeface posted:i thought Europe had already stopped using evil Russian gas?!?! The Naftogaz gas transit contract ends in December 2024.
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Aug 18, 2023 14:17
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Buffer posted:
You can see this for years now as they bandy about the idea that before he died Stalin was about to do Holocaust 2 right before he died, a claim that was snopes certified
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Aug 18, 2023 14:17
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fizzy posted:That's Russia's fault for causing the Holodomor and all the invasions, territorial incursions and so on that Russia has done to mess with Ukraine. If Russia wants to give a sign of good faith, it can start by withdrawing all its forces immediately and unconditionally to pre-2014 borders. Also for anyone questioning the timing of this spring offensive, it's like you've never heard of the southern hemisphere?  Spring's about to start, just you wait!
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Aug 18, 2023 14:18
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KomradeX posted:Now I'm not an army guy, but there doesn't seem to be much air droppable about the Challenger 2. So why would you arm your air assault unit with it? Ukraine has started giving out "elite" unit monikers to newly raised or reconstructed units. Jager, Mountain, Marine and Airborne/Air Assault are essentially meaningless in a country with no sea or airlift capacity, and while I'll grant infantry units with only small arms are certainly light, 5 days of training does not a Jager or Mountaineer make. Why is an open question. The likeliest explanation is morale, to boost voluntary recruitment into those units, or to mark them as units young, fit, likely Political, recruits are sent to in preference to the line infantry or TDF.
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Aug 18, 2023 14:20
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Frosted Flake posted:Their inability to keep the mask on really undermines all of the work Snyder and Applebaum have done for them. Which is funny because from what I've heard of Bloodlands, Snyder actually goes pretty mask off himself.
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Aug 18, 2023 14:21
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VoicesCanBe posted:Which is funny because from what I've heard of Bloodlands, Snyder actually goes pretty mask off himself. The Holocaust Studies journals that reviewed it at the time were shocked in a way that's positively quaint now.
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Aug 18, 2023 14:22
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It's starting to feel like last year where things will be quiet for a month or two more, and then something will explode.
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Aug 18, 2023 14:23
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Lostconfused posted:It's starting to feel like last year where things will be quiet for a month or two more, and then something will explode. Remember like two months ago when ZNPP was in grave danger? Why did the Russians just forget about it? Why did we? 
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Aug 18, 2023 14:29
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Homeless Friend posted:pooh's closed due to USAIDs
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Aug 18, 2023 14:29
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fizzy posted:Tankies claim that Azov and Right Sector are Nazis. another example of the man of steel being to soft
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Aug 18, 2023 14:30
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Frosted Flake posted:Ukraine has started giving out "elite" unit monikers to newly raised or reconstructed units. Jager, Mountain, Marine and Airborne/Air Assault are essentially meaningless in a country with no sea or airlift capacity, and while I'll grant infantry units with only small arms are certainly light, 5 days of training does not a Jager or Mountaineer make. if they're young and have all their limbs, they are the elite
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Aug 18, 2023 14:32
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John Charity Spring posted:in the Ukrainian army 'air assault' just means 'best equipped' jokes aside this is literally true for a lot of regimes
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Aug 18, 2023 14:38
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Frosted Flake posted:The Holocaust Studies journals that reviewed it at the time were shocked in a way that's positively quaint now. Have any excerpts? Would love to read them.
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fanfic insert posted:another example of the man of steel being to soft
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Aug 18, 2023 14:40
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gradenko_2000 posted:jokes aside this is literally true for a lot of regimes quote:The Fallschirm-Panzer-Division 1. Hermann Göring (1st Paratroop Panzer Division Hermann Göring - abbreviated Fallschirm-Panzer-Div 1 HG) was a German Luftwaffe armoured division. The HG saw action in France, North Africa, Sicily, Italy and on the Eastern Front during World War II. The division began as a battalion-sized police unit in 1933. Over time it grew into a regiment, brigade, division, and finally was combined with the Parachute-Panzergrenadier Division 2 Hermann Göring on 1 May 1944 to form a Panzer corps under the name Reichsmarschall.
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Aug 18, 2023 14:41
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fanfic insert posted:another example of the man of steel being to soft he should have snapped ukraine's neck.
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Dokapon Findom posted:Remember like two months ago when ZNPP was in grave danger? Why did the Russians just forget about it? Why did we? What happened was that Ukraine, in coordination with its international partners who respect Democracy, Human Rights, and the Rules Based International Order, maintained a firm response with All Options On The Table. Thus Putin was Held Accountable and his genocidal scheme was thwarted.
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Aug 18, 2023 14:42
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Who was it that said the Orange Revolution was the start date to this? I was skimming a book on Colour Revolutions and they barely try to disguise it: The ‘West’ "Both the US and the EU (on Western influences, see Sushko and Prystayko 2006: 125–44), which together can be taken to represent the ‘West’, had a common interest in Ukraine’s presidential elections in 2004 as well as the events of the Orange Revolution that followed. Certainly the Atlantic allies shared a common goal vis-à-vis Ukraine: the promotion of democracy and the election. How they proceeded with the promotion of this overarching goal reflected the division of labour between the two powers. The US was more rigorous and vocal, initially at least. The EU’s approach was more nuanced and longer term, reflecting not only the variety of opinions of its Member States but also its preference for steady institution building, sustained over many years. The principal contribution of the West came in monitoring the election campaign, mostly under the auspices of the Organization for Security and Development (OSCE). The mission sent by the OSCE was acknowledged as neutral and disinterested, which meant that its findings were treated seriously and the OSCE did not hesitate to condemn the conduct of the election in the strongest way (Copsey 2005). Without this condemnation, it would have been far harder to mobilize protestors following the close of the (first) second round of the election. It is also very unlikely that the US and the EU would have rejected the election results without the OSCE report. Beginning with the US, it was clear that the election of 2004 was viewed as a test of the strength of democracy in the region, in the face of an unexpressed concern about Russian expansion. The US government and its Ambassador to Ukraine, John E. Herbst, made it clear that what mattered was the election’s ‘honesty and transparency’ (Sushko and Prystyko, 2006: 132). Both Congress and Government were swift to criticize the flagrant violations of the electoral process and President George W. Bush made it clear in a letter presented to President Kuchma ahead of the second round of the elections by Senator Richard G. Lugar, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, that Kuchma was to be held responsible for a free and fair election. The US was equally blunt in its pledge to review relations with Ukraine if the elections were judged to be ‘tarnished’ (Sushko and Prystyko 2006: 133). As has remained the case until the present, the EU can be split into two camps when it comes to policy towards Ukraine (Copsey 2008). One the one hand, there is the Russia-first group, comprised in the main of older Member States from Western Europe, with France, Italy and to an extent Germany forming the vanguard of this group. They are sceptical about the ‘European vocation’ of Ukraine and very careful to avoid undertaking any activity that would be seen as offensive to Russia. At the same time, however, they are of course in favour of greater democratic progress in Ukraine. The second group of EU Member States is composed primarily of the newer Member States, in particular, Poland and Lithuania, but also Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia and Romania. The UK and Sweden could also be added to this cluster, for different reasons: the UK is pro-enlargement because it hopes this will dilute the federal nature of the Union and Sweden is both mildly suspicious of Russia and genuinely anxious to improve the quality of Ukrainian citizens’ lives through greater democracy. This grouping to a varying degree (although led by Poland) increasingly sees the potential for renewed Russian imperialism in Eastern Europe. It sees Ukraine in geopolitical and historical terms as a battleground, where competing worldviews clash. Prior to the elections, the EU had not offered Ukraine a membership perspective and despite calls to do so after the revolution (for example, from the European Parliament), it did not do so then either – although it did improve the quality of bilateral relations with Ukraine and marginally increase what it is prepared to offer Ukraine immediately in the shape of development assistance and trade liberalization by bolstering the Action Plan it had already agreed with the Kuchma/ Yanukovych government prior to the elections. What the EU did offer that made the Orange Revolution possible was mediation between the various actors, particularly on the part of the then Presidents of Lithuania and Poland, Valdas Adamkus and Aleksander Kwaśniewski, respectively. Kwaśniewski in particular brought a detailed knowledge of Ukraine and its politics with him to the negotiating table, which was crucial in paving the way for a deal to be brokered by the triumvirate of Solana, Kwaśniewski and Adamkus on behalf of the EU. The deal cleared the way for the repeat second round of the elections. Russia, as the preceding section showed, was too discredited to play much of a role as a mediator. Civil Society and Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) In common with the birth of the political opposition to Kuchma, civil society in Ukraine was a long time in the making, but it received a great fillip from the Kuchmagate scandal of 2000 (on civil society and NGOs, see Diuk 2006: 69–84; Demes and Forbirg 2006: 85–102). Of particular importance were younger Ukrainians, who had grown up in the 1990s, with no direct experience of Soviet- era oppression of political opposition. This segment of society was not afraid to challenge the regime, although it did not organize and mobilize effectively until after the parliamentary elections of 2002. The elections, with their widespread falsifications and malpractices, acted as a recruiting sergeant for anti-Kuchma youth movements such as Pora (‘It is Time’), Chysta Ukraina (‘A Clean Ukraine’) and Znayu (‘I Know’), and brought together a very wide range of individuals who felt that Kuchma had overstepped the limits of what was acceptable in a political leader. The violence, intimidation and blatant disregard for democratic process that marked the ‘dry run’ elections for the mayor of Mukachevo in March 2004 radicalized the youth movements further when it became clear that only direct action could prevent the falsification and stealing of the autumn presidential elections. This direct action would primarily take the form of monitoring (in addition to the international community) the election campaign as well as organizing protests against fraud and intimidation. Youth movements were originally intended to be non-partisan but they became increasingly associated with the Yushchenko ticket as the campaign progressed, since he seemed to offer a better chance of democracy than Yanukovych (who, after all, was responsible directly and indirectly for much of the electoral fraud that precipitated the Orange Revolution). Much has been written about the civil society activists, in particular, Pora, and their alleged links to Western governments. There does not appear to be much evidence to support the notion that youth movements were sponsored overwhelmingly by Western, anti-Russian governments. In truth, they appear to be rather domestic in nature, Demes and Forbrig (2006: 97) estimate that only US$130,000 out of a total of US$1.56 million in Pora came from donors outside Ukraine), albeit drawing lessons from similar movements in Georgia and Serbia. Youth movements acted as a vanguard for the mobilization of Kiev (and the central and west Ukrainian population) in the first hours of the revolution. ... A point that is worth underscoring is that the events of 2004, whilst they captured the attention of the world’s media (at least until the horrific tsunami in the Indian Ocean on 26 December), were primarily domestic in nature. External observers may read the elections as a contest between Russia and the West for control of a territory in Europe that geostrategists regard as of profound importance. In this version, the Euro-Atlantic allies ‘won’ and Russia ‘lost’. It is certain that Russia lost much face over the elections of 2004 and certainly there were many senior figures in the Russian administration who saw the Ukrainian presidential elections as a conflict with the West, rather like Vietnam or Afghanistan had been for the Soviet Union and the US during the cold war. Yet this contestation was largely irrelevant to explaining how the Orange ‘Revolution’ became possible or why it happened. It was the convergence of interests between a disparate opposition and civil society NGOs that mobilized the people of Ukraine. The characteristic that made the events in the Maidan most akin to a revolution was the presence of literally hundreds of thousands – in total millions – of demonstrators. Where the West played a role in the revolution was in supplying the evidence of wrong-doing that the Ukrainian NGOs and protestors needed: through the OSCE’s monitoring mission. What forced the hand of the old regime and ushered in a not-so-new regime was the will of the Ukrainian people to cast their vote in a free and transparent election, and their desire to live in a better-governed society.  Why do people think NGOs are working for the State Dept and intelligence agencies? They just happen to reveal election fraud that leads to spontaneous protests by groups they spent years recruiting and funding, coordinated through media organizations they also created and funded. 
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Lostconfused posted:It's starting to feel like last year where things will be quiet for a month or two more, and then something will explode. Wasn't Ukraine supposed to be making a major push right now? I thought I had heard that but did it turn out not to be true?
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What was originally said by the Irish government would only be de-mining and other non-lethal training has now become full fledged weapons and combat training. At the time there were concerns this would happen and when the opposition asked for assurances Ireland would not be providing lethal aid, they were called 'Putin puppets'. There was a similar atmosphere around the 'Neutrality Forum' earlier this year that was stacked almost entirely with pro-NATO speakers. Anyone questioned the bias of that was called Putin puppets. The deputy PM said of an opposition politician that he was putting the 'jackboot onto people' by their trying to stifle honest debate for daring to suggest it was biased. https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/1692417349792465393?s=20 Marenghi has issued a correction as of 14:50 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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VoicesCanBe posted:Wasn't Ukraine supposed to be making a major push right now? I thought I had heard that but did it turn out not to be true? They did, if you want to watch grainy UAV footage of Stryker dismounts getting turned into hamburger. There's a rhythm to how the reporting goes by now, you don't even need to watch the combat footage to guess at what happened. e: Western reporting on Afghanistan, particularly where the ANA was concerned followed the rhythm of the traditional Afghan fighting season. When all of the Pashtun were at home bringing in the harvest, the Afghan Government had defeated the Taliban once and for all. Afghanistan had turned over a new leaf, the Coalition surge or new ISAF COIN techniques had finally done it. Enduring democracy, mission accomplished. Then reporting would go quiet, we'd find out that a provincial capital had been raided, police stations abandoned etc. our casualties would go up, and we wouldn't hear about the war until the next time all of the Taliban had to go home and do farm work. Vietnam followed the same pattern when it came to rice cultivation and the monsoon season. Obviously for Ukraine the pattern is different, but Hype > Silence > Terrorist/Spectacular Attack > Admission of "Setbacks" > Terrorist/Spectacular Attack > New Wonder Weapon > Hype is pretty solidified by now imo. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 14:52 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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Aug 18, 2023 14:45
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Nix Panicus posted:How are people so loving stupid? Speaking from experiences, ask this right question in the wrong place to find out! 
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Aug 18, 2023 14:49
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Re: the Orange Revolution, my knowledge is basically limited to reading the Wikipedia article (lol) and the TrueAnon episode that was like two weeks before the invasion. But two things about it dont add up to me. One, the allegations of fraud in the first election which the Wikipedia article doesn't even attempt to explain what the fraud was. And two, how the second election which took place merely weeks later was apparently clean. Like they somehow fixed their electoral system in a few weeks to be free and fair?
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VoicesCanBe posted:Re: the Orange Revolution, my knowledge is basically limited to reading the Wikipedia article (lol) and the TrueAnon episode that was like two weeks before the invasion. Just like Bolivia. Weird. e: and Georgia.
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Buffer posted:I hate it so much. its only genocide if it comes from the barbarous orient, otherwise it's just sparkling purification of the nation's blood and soil and believe me, i actually wish i was making a joke here, but this is basically the shitlib orthodoxy at this point VoicesCanBe posted:Re: the Orange Revolution, my knowledge is basically limited to reading the Wikipedia article (lol) and the TrueAnon episode that was like two weeks before the invasion. look bub, the rules based international order clearly says if the anti-us candidate wins then it's a rigged sham election and when the pro-us candidate wins it's a squeaky clean free and fair election
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Aug 18, 2023 14:59
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It was the same thing when the neocons in the Bush administration tasked the lifelong functionaries at State to find a connection between 9/11 and Iraq. More than one conversation concluded with "are you sure you're sure? Look again.  "You just need to keep asking until it returns the result you want, and if it doesn't, you make it.
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Their attempts to link Mohammed Atta to Iraq were particularly weird because drawing any attention to the Hamburg Cell is counterproductive (for them). That they were obviously under surveillance by multiple intelligence and security agencies from several countries and still ended up being the core group of hijackers is, to put it mildly, troubling. If, in addition to their known activities, they were also meeting with Iraqi intelligence and still nothing was done, it doesn't make Saddam Hussein look guilty, it makes the failure to do literally anything to impede these guys even more unusual. I don't know why they tried to fake that connection, and I'm curious who signed off on it and why. For  context, the activities of Ali Mohammed before 9/11 - who even cursory surveillance would link to the Hamburg Cell - is one of several examples in Canadian history of the RCMP letting someone go before they went on to carry out a terrorist attack aimed at another country, with no apparent explanation. “In 1993, Mohamed had been detained by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) in Vancouver airport, when he inquired after an incoming al Qaeda terrorist who turned out to be carrying two forged Saudi passports. Mohamed immediately told the RCMP to make a phone call to the United States. The call, to Mohamed’s FBI handler, John Zent, secured his release. The FBI-directed release of Mohamed by the RCMP affected history. The encounter took place before Mohamed flew to Nairobi, photographed the U.S. Embassy in December 1993, and delivered the photos to bin Laden. According to Mohamed’s negotiated confession in 2000, after the 1998 bombing of that embassy, “Bin Laden looked at the picture of the American Embassy and pointed to where a truck could go as a suicide bomber.” Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 15:11 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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is that the guy whose passport was magically found on top of the rubble
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DancingShade posted:11 shells a month, lovingly hand painted by warhammer 40k players with only the finest paints and pony hair brushes. We use weasel hair you philistine
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Frosted Flake posted:Just like Bolivia. Weird. you know, one of my most surreal experiences on these dead comedy forums was when the bolivian coup was popping off and you had motherfuckers riding around waving literal swastika flags and burning the symbols of the indigenous peoples, you had the military openly brutalizing and murdering protesters on the streets, that random lady declared herself president without even a fig leaf of legality while the military physically blocked all the members from the majority party in parliament from entering any parliamentary sessions, and then to top it all off the main coupers had some hosed up ceremony in a cathedral or somesuch where they basically proclaimed blood oaths that only white people would get to rule bolivia in the future and all of this poo poo was just broadcast out in the open and then some motherfucker, who had regged that very same day no less, kramered into the d&d thread on the subject, claimed to be a regular bolivian concerned citizen and did the whole song and dance about how it all looks bad but evo was no angel you know, and it was like every single shitlib had some hosed up pavlovian response and immediately decided that this rando on the internet was now the sole voice of the people of bolivia and if you argued against them you weren't respecting bolivian voices or some horseshit like that
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The only thing about that I'll say, I have the challenge coins around here somewhere, is that there are now American DHS agents attached to the RCMP airport offices. Now, if we see this as a response to 9/11, and you have suspicious people being flagged by the CBSA, then getting on the RCMP's radar, is there a difference between calling DHS and them working in your office if the Americans are still telling you to let them go? It just seems to me that the problem was not that the Canadian security services weren't able to detect these threats without the Yanks. As with Air India and some of the stuff with the Tamils, travel to Libya and Syria, now Ukraine the Canadian Security services detect these guys and then make a phone call, forget their own SOP, and let them go. This is neither here nor there and could be considered Epstein thread stuff until some of those loose weapons from Ukraine start circulating around, probably through the Montreal connection. I would not be shocked if weapons from Ukraine ended up in the Punjab. Cerebral Bore posted:and then some motherfucker, who had regged that very same day no less, kramered into the d&d thread on the subject, claimed to be a regular bolivian concerned citizen and did the whole song and dance about how it all looks bad but evo was no angel you know, and it was like every single shitlib had some hosed up pavlovian response and immediately decided that this rando on the internet was now the sole voice of the people of bolivia and if you argued against them you weren't respecting bolivian voices or some horseshit like that  The ability to enforce message discipline online, and how obvious it is - I'm thinking of reddit in particular - really makes you wonder. Remember that one day the Clinton campaign stopped paying CTR or whatever and the entire tenure of online discussion changed for about 48 hours? Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 15:26 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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They keep trying with the sea drones and bridge strikes, but it's not getting the same pop anymore. The last big thing was Prigozhin's march of justice, now we're in the lul until the next big thing.
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KomradeX posted:You can see this for years now as they bandy about the idea that before he died Stalin was about to do Holocaust 2 right before he died, a claim that was snopes certified As the survivors have died off there's been less and less people around to really push back effectively on Baltic nationalist poo poo. Now we're at the point where some of those forms of holocaust denial are mainstream things. It's disgusting. Truly vile poo poo in the name of what flag that region is a vassal to.
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They usually telegraph these things pretty hard. I would guess NPP or naval confrontation.
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Cerebral Bore posted:you know, one of my most surreal experiences on these dead comedy forums was when the bolivian coup was popping off and you had motherfuckers riding around waving literal swastika flags and burning the symbols of the indigenous peoples, you had the military openly brutalizing and murdering protesters on the streets, that random lady declared herself president without even a fig leaf of legality while the military physically blocked all the members from the majority party in parliament from entering any parliamentary sessions, and then to top it all off the main coupers had some hosed up ceremony in a cathedral or somesuch where they basically proclaimed blood oaths that only white people would get to rule bolivia in the future and all of this poo poo was just broadcast out in the open that also happened in gip. I don’t think it was even the same guy. or, not the same account anyway.
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Cerebral Bore posted:you know, one of my most surreal experiences on these dead comedy forums was when the bolivian coup was popping off and you had motherfuckers riding around waving literal swastika flags and burning the symbols of the indigenous peoples, you had the military openly brutalizing and murdering protesters on the streets, that random lady declared herself president without even a fig leaf of legality while the military physically blocked all the members from the majority party in parliament from entering any parliamentary sessions, and then to top it all off the main coupers had some hosed up ceremony in a cathedral or somesuch where they basically proclaimed blood oaths that only white people would get to rule bolivia in the future and all of this poo poo was just broadcast out in the open One of the favorite liberal tactics, "listen to actual Bolivians" "listen to actual Venezuelans" etc. But the conversation always ends there. Which Bolivians/Venezuelans/whomever should we listen to? The pro-western liberals who either already have or are angling for US-funded NGO jobs? The explicit fascists who do the dirty work to ensure the success of these operations? The colonial-descended capitalist elites who have coordinated with the US to keep their countries subject to imperialism? Or can we listen to the voices of people who have suffered from injustice and might actually have legitimate grievances with US foreign policy? If I want to learn about America and you tell me "listen to actually Americans", the hell does that even mean? Should I go to a diner in rural Kentucky and listen to a MAGA chud ramble about who knows what? I'd be "listening to an actual American", after all. Liberals really don't think anything through. "Listen to X", by itself, is completely meaningless. Residents of a country can be and frequently are totally wrong about their own country.
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