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PoundSand)
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Should've drained the swamp smdh
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 03:50 |
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# ? May 24, 2024 06:42 |
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StratGoatCom posted:As I said last thread, if that fucker gets a foothold in the USA again, no one has the drive to get it out again. personal choice mosquito nets
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 03:55 |
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I got a clinical trial ad for something called "NextCove" from Moderna, which studies the effects of mRNA-1283.222, a "next generation" vaccine. I looked it up on Hilda Bastian's list and didn't see any mentions. It turns out it's a fridge-stable version of their original vax. I wonder if that's where a hunk of the $5 billion is going. Fansy has issued a correction as of 04:26 on Aug 19, 2023 |
# ? Aug 19, 2023 04:21 |
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finally got our protocol and we're seeing several hundred dollar reimbursements for the rsv shot, no wonder everyone is pushing them so hard lol
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 04:49 |
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The Synagis lol? Yea that poo poo hella expensive. Or do u mean the new one that's even more expensive
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 04:52 |
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a twinge of terror enters my mind wondering if we're billing the wrong unit size, but surely the plans would reject an erroneous claim, right?
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 04:52 |
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fosborb posted:lol first locally transmitted malaria case in the DC area in the last 40 years just announced tonight Has anyone seen my monkey’s paw? Platystemon posted:CDC used to be the OFFICE OF MALARIA CONTROL IN WAR AREAS. Luckily I prepared my imagination for this between 2021 and 2022. Platystemon posted:Posting on the CDC birth page. To be clear, I am not accusing CDC of reintroducing malaria to the United States. I am accusing Delta Airlines of reintroducing malaria to the United States and the CDC of being asleep at the helm. e: for further context, Platystemon posted:Data from 1947 Why would anyone ever act against an infectious disease that kills barely two hundred people per year? Platystemon has issued a correction as of 05:44 on Aug 19, 2023 |
# ? Aug 19, 2023 04:52 |
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well on the bright side this should light a fire under the push to develop a malaria vaccine.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 05:09 |
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malarias just the cold. pack it in, doomers
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 05:11 |
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StratGoatCom posted:Also, wherever you are now Rubby, I hope you come back one day. You are missed.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 05:12 |
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oh a mosquito touched you, get over yourself
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 05:44 |
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StratGoatCom posted:Also, wherever you are now Rubby, I hope you come back one day. You are missed.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 05:46 |
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reading the road to en-dor and this 100-year-old nonfiction account is also real af about this
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 06:46 |
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quote:What!?!? https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new..._medium=twitter ibid has issued a correction as of 06:55 on Aug 19, 2023 |
# ? Aug 19, 2023 06:52 |
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New BA.2.86 variant now has a nickname, Pirola: https://twitter.com/TRyanGregory/status/1692545225019773101 Even strain nickname curmudgeon @JPWeiland supports it https://twitter.com/JPWeiland/status/1692619712729944414
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 07:03 |
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https://twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/status/1692591119001927862
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 07:42 |
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they should get him to do the Master Class episode on mental gymnastics
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 07:53 |
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a 1 in 1000 death rate… if everyone in the us was vaccinated and got Covid, that would be 330,000 dead
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 07:58 |
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He's so pathologically fixated on this process and explaining it, it's desperation.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 07:59 |
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Steve Yun posted:a 1 in 1000 death rate… minimum, since that's for 0-59 yo. Per infection. ibid has issued a correction as of 08:04 on Aug 19, 2023 |
# ? Aug 19, 2023 08:00 |
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The Oldest Man posted:
Imagine five rational actors on the edge of the cliff, loving and sucking. COVID works the same way...
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 08:19 |
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I just dunno what to say about Bob Wachter, he gave his wife what sounds like pretty severe PASC, described his own case as "nasty," and very much could have died of that 'with covid not of covid' shower fall and subsequent brain bleed. And he says being careful isn't onerous to him, right before saying he's still not masking or avoiding indoor dining or crowded spaces yet because of some extremely sketchy and optimistic back of envelope math that assumes his infection-derived immunity is still good, still good against current variants, PASC risk for him is only 1-in-20 somehow, etc. I guess consequences just don't exist for some people even after they suffer a bunch of what I'd categorize as pretty severe ones.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 08:28 |
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The Oldest Man posted:
Bob has never played XCOM
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 08:30 |
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I'm genuinely curious where he's getting the stats like "you're protected from infection after a booster dose for 4 months." Last I had seen on the subject was this https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2804451:quote:The administration of a booster dose was associated with an initial VE against laboratory-confirmed infection with Omicron that was higher on average compared with the primary vaccination cycle (Figure 3) but with a marked variability at any time after booster administration. Pooled estimates of VE after the administration of a booster dose were 55.4% (95% CI, 42.4%-68.4%) at 1 month, 36.0% (95% CI, 27.0%-45.0%) at 6 months, and 28.9% (95% CI, 17.1%-40.6%) at 9 months. Consistent estimates were obtained in both sensitivity analyses (SA1 and SA2) (eFigures 11, 13, and 16 in Supplement 1). 55.4% at one month is not what I'd call "protected" and you could drive a truck through that CI
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 08:36 |
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The Oldest Man posted:I just dunno what to say about Bob Wachter, he gave his wife what sounds like pretty severe PASC, described his own case as "nasty," and very much could have died of that 'with covid not of covid' shower fall and subsequent brain bleed. And he says being careful isn't onerous to him, right before saying he's still not masking or avoiding indoor dining or crowded spaces yet because of some extremely sketchy and optimistic back of envelope math that assumes his infection-derived immunity is still good, still good against current variants, PASC risk for him is only 1-in-20 somehow, etc. Everything is vibes-based, most decision-making both personal and social is Wile E. Coyote refusing to look down while walking off the cliff. The economy, the insurance industry, public health, everything is in this delicate meta-stasis where a majority of people and policy-makers are wary of looking too closely lest they have to acknowledge anything bad is happening, and things are not quite yet bad enough for this to result in obvious and routine negative consequences for the most well-off, who can indeed afford or otherwise have access to personal doctors and paxlovid at market rates and improved ventilation. Wachter repeatedly acknowledges real-world consequences and poo poo being hosed before immediately pivoting to 'and that's why no one should do anything about it, least of all me, a guy who has repeatedly gotten hosed over and hosed over people around me by failing to react to the situation'. I fully believe that this is an emotional defense mechanism, to not feel as though he was ever wrong or needs to feel bad so long as he can avoid acknowledging it. As has been repeatedly discussed in these threads, historically things have to become AMAZINGLY bad before socially-reinforced denial responses falter, unfortunately. The Oldest Man posted:I'm genuinely curious where he's getting the stats like "you're protected from infection after a booster dose for 4 months." Last I had seen on the subject was this https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2804451: Terminology tango. 'Protected' and 'immune' have been interchangeably used in reference to the vaccines to an absurd degree, and it's sometimes hard to say exactly how people are misusing the terms when they do, as a result. Covid vaccination does provide SOME protective effects for at least four to six months for most people; I would personally say this is not enough to gently caress around with probable double-digit odds of long covid effects, much less the possibility of spreading a disease that could kill my loved ones, but that's largely excluded from most discussions of covid transmission at this point and it's treated as a wholly impersonal force of nature for which a person is not responsible even if they knowingly spread the disease in spite of having the privilege and resources and knowledge not to do so. Public health is a social problem, but it's abandonment and decrepitude also shouldn't be an excuse for willingly playing the role of Typhoid Mary. i understand i am largely just performing a distorted echo function here to what you're already saying; why yes i am grouchy about the abandonment of public health and the disabled and immunocompromised why do you ask
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 08:51 |
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Look, people take one in a thousand risks all the time, and it’s fine. It’s comparable to driving a mere quarter of a million miles. Who doesn’t do that once or twice per year? Maybe you don’t, but surely you go hang gliding ten times per month, right? No one would consider you a daredevil for doing that.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 08:59 |
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Platystemon posted:Look, people take one in a thousand risks all the time, and it’s fine. It’s comparable to driving a mere quarter of a million miles. Who doesn’t do that once or twice per year? Yeah it's only about as likely to kill you as getting bitten by a poisonous snake is and I do that every day
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 09:08 |
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god drat https://twitter.com/CDCEnvironment/status/1692281921550614785
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 09:23 |
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The Oldest Man posted:Yeah it's only about as likely to kill you as getting bitten by a poisonous snake is and I do that every day
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 09:24 |
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It’s the scarlet letter of the pandemic.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 09:34 |
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Pingui posted:Fruit fly study indicating that ACE2 interference/depletion could be the cause of neuromuscular complications: also, too quote:
https://www.science.org/content/article/could-fused-neurons-explain-covid-19-s-brain-fog ibid has issued a correction as of 09:44 on Aug 19, 2023 |
# ? Aug 19, 2023 09:34 |
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My read with Wachter is that this stopped being practical and became ideological for him at some point. He’s like the old joke about how to survive a bear attack, you don’t need to outrun a bear, you just need to outrun your slowest camping buddy. Protected for him does not mean protected, it means more protected than the least protected person he can imagine. It doesn’t matter that his poo poo doesn’t work and it doesn’t matter that he knows that, because somebody else’s poo poo works even worse and he believes that this is graded on a curve. You can see this is a pretty popular mindset if you look at the booster numbers.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 10:54 |
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Don't mention the goggles. All you had to do to preserve plausible deniability was not mention the goggles. As soon as you mention goggles in your list that does not contain masks, it's all over.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 11:23 |
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HazCat posted:It's happened a few times. Hootington was one, but there was also that poor loving guy who just wanted a source on outside transmission so he could pass the info along without having to say 'I got this info from some nerds on the Internet'. He had one goon itt harass him for days, accusing him of concern trolling and being a wrecker and all kinds of absolutely unhinged poo poo. I know this is late but it’s funny to see oneself described as part of forum drama (I am reasonably sure this is about me). I just wanted to say that I didn’t see it the same way. I accidentally found the thread after spending almost 3 years finding my own set of precautions. Unfortunately, I swallowed propaganda of outdoor being magically safe wholesale. I found the response to my queries very reasonable and helpful. And I totally understand doubting my sincerity given the trolling invasions I have seen since. It was truly crack pinging time for me. I couldn’t believe I had missed all the evidence of outdoor transmission. To be clear, I was blaming myself and my blindness to this evidence. Having said the above, I have only made minor adjustments to my precautions. I am not at thread level precautions and I am comfortable with it, given the fact that I have a kid that goes to school (masked, but unmasks for eating outdoors). I am much more aware of when I am rolling the dice than I was before the aforementioned discussion, and this is a great thing. Speaking of which, I did roll some outdoor transmission dice on this work trip and now I seem to be having a bout of not Covid, which I still suspect might be Covid. I have fever and cough for 3 days now. I have done 3 RATs 12 hours apart and then PCR test which took 24 hours, all negative. All tests were done after I became symptomatic. I wonder if I am having the pre-Covid that was discussed the last couple days. I do have a paxlovid stash but given this seems to be something else, I guess I won’t take it. This is only the second time I am having any kind of sickness since 2019. The last one really was a cold as it lasted only 2 days and was negative on PCR.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 11:57 |
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Gunshow Poophole posted:this is actually exactly how a simulated virus would respond to being aggressively confronted with the set of treatment guidelines and screens we've set up around paxlovid I mean I don't think you're wrong necessarily, but there's zero chance enough people have taken paxlovid relative to the amount of people catching COVID to have any evolutionary effect.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 13:20 |
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lol is there like an agency-wide prohibition on mentioning respiratory protection in communications to the laity or what
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 13:28 |
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Rescue Toaster posted:I mean I don't think you're wrong necessarily, but there's zero chance enough people have taken paxlovid relative to the amount of people catching COVID to have any evolutionary effect. You are right and it didn't initially pop up in a part of the world where Paxlovid is accessible. Southeast Asia however still had quarantine and isolation guidelines in place at the time. Indonesia (where EG.5 was first sequenced), had these guidelines end of February: https://web.archive.org/web/20230228234344/https://id.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/ posted:Testing
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 13:42 |
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it's absolutely not ACTUALLY due to paxlovid exerting selective pressure but it's eerie how (also anecdotal, nobody has really confirmed a delayed test presentation statistically) it shifts to be maximally evasive lol
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 14:24 |
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# ? May 24, 2024 06:42 |
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will be allowing people to purchase the coming booster, prompting this cartoon:
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 14:31 |