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i mean im fine with insanely overpowered items not existing in the game but occasionally they make someones month/year. im not getting a shako and the game isnt even remotely balanced around it, so who the gently caress cares lol like a shako in this game gives +4 to all skills. thats build defining
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I mean the game isn't balanced around the easily attainable barber either so I don't have a clue what they're doing
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Aug 19, 2023 11:55
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flashman posted:I mean the game isn't balanced around the easily attainable barber either so I don't have a clue what they're doing If it helps, neither do they.
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Last King posted:yes, a lot of games are releasing as early access - even if they don't call it that. they have a lot less content, a number of systems not working / cut out, and people still buy them. Herstory Begins Now posted:d4 had a sprawling, unfocused, fairly unproductive development over a bunch of years and ~2 years ago they hired rod fergusson specifically to oversee the team taking what they had then and smooshing it into something they could ship. It's not really finished, idk if anyone would describe it that way and the fact that they're still talking about adding core endgame systems 3 months after release should make that pretty clear. WaPo reported on all of this at a couple of points in the development, particularly after the release date was decided when suddenly a bunch of employees felt like talking to journalists about the struggles of D4s development My issue isn't with the game - it has plenty of issues well trodden and covered in this thread - it's with goons' major misunderstanding of what early access actually means, and the way they trivialize the term I am seeing a lot of it in a lot of games threads on here lately, not just D4, if a goon doesn't like what he/she sees, they call it early access, like they think they're some enlightened critic who's found a new and glib way to post. It's like, have you actually tried an early access game before, or been part of the process of one? Just because you don't like the state of the game doesn't mean it's early access. I don't know how often I need to repeat this It's just easier to call the game bad
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Aug 19, 2023 12:27
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ah pedantry
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They could have released this without the campaign for six months as a beta or ea or whatever and ended up with a good product most likely
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I’m fine with the Uber uniques being lottery items, but they should be like a lottery winner, where it’s noteworthy. At the very minimum there should be a server wide announcement, but you could do so much more, have all players magic/gold find go up by 100 for the next 15 minutes, give all the mobs a skin effect (gold version of avenger NMD) and make a statue of the lucky character appear in town for the next hour. You would have to balance the effect with the rarity, but something to make it feel like a shared world..
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Aug 19, 2023 13:21
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I've said it a bunch but it's obvious that for a season they're just gonna boost the drop rate of uber uniques on some random tunnel dungeon elite and fomo as many people back to get them while they can, instead of making real content lol
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Verviticus posted:i mean im fine with insanely overpowered items not existing in the game but occasionally they make someones month/year. im not getting a shako and the game isnt even remotely balanced around it, so who the gently caress cares lol It’s not build defining. There are no builds around it because it’s so absurdly rare. I’ve already taken a 4 stack of level 70-80 characters through a nm100 with my mendeln necro and I’ve killed Lilith with a bonespear and mendeln build. At this point I’m out of poo poo to do and a shako isn’t going to change anything if I get one to drop. Sure I might be able to clear a nm100 slightly faster but it isn’t going to break the game wide open. IMHO there needs to be a way to get a guaranteed Uber unique each season. Clear a nm100 and Lilith solo and it gives you a key to a super hard dungeon that drops one at the end.
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ixo posted:sorry to keep you all waiting, I know you've been sweaty and anxious thinking about it Grats dude! I knew you would get her. It sucks she’s drat near impossible as a group.
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flashman posted:They could have released this without the campaign for six months as a beta or ea or whatever and ended up with a good product most likely I honestly don't think the people involved in making high-up decisions, despite it being very much billed as A Service Game, can see past not wanting to "reveal" anything. Like if any part of the storyline leaked (via datamining or whatever) then no one would buy it. Pretty much the same outlook as they had on D3, and we all know what kind of a masterpiece they were hiding there.
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Mailer posted:I honestly don't think the people involved in making high-up decisions, despite it being very much billed as A Service Game, can see past not wanting to "reveal" anything. Like if any part of the storyline leaked (via datamining or whatever) then no one would buy it. Pretty much the same outlook as they had on D3, and we all know what kind of a masterpiece they were hiding there. Lol no spoilers! Campaign was just a chore in mashing escape anyway.. I guess I wouldn't have been so confused about the end boss not being diablo if I hadnt though.
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I did a malignant tunnel and got 2 barbers. Did they up the drop rate? I need to find a new amulet to experiment with the 2 second barber version, I bet it feels tons better.
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Kaddish posted:I did a malignant tunnel and got 2 barbers. Did they up the drop rate? yes
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Aug 19, 2023 15:53
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I’ve gotten a shitload of wrathful invokers and barbers since the patch.
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flashman posted:I mean the game isn't balanced around the easily attainable barber either so I don't have a clue what they're doing Barbers the way too powerful seasonal gimmick item. Supposed to feel unbalanced.
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SlyFrog posted:I'm playing pretty much a pure bear druid and I can't tell if my regular duo partner rogue just sucks at putting in damage or if killing mobs in this game is tediously long and boring. you may be confusing the game with WoW, where a bear druid would “tank” and a rogue would burn things down. there’s no tanks in this and you are half the problem. another major difference is talent/skill/gear choice isn’t a matter of 10-100% effectiveness, it’s like 0-10,000% due to stacking synergies you have to find. you either have arpg brain or look up a build to remain effective into the mid-high levels.
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Mustached Demon posted:Barbers the way too powerful seasonal gimmick item. Supposed to feel unbalanced. So the games unbalanced but only in this way! This is rationale for preventing it from being unbalanced in another way with a non existent drop rate. The shako is pretty bland with +4 to skills anyway, strong but bland. The oculus was almost cool besides having a downside (which isn't so bad really). The main uselessness was the non linear scaling on the CDR of teleport at higher levels. To lose an aspect and have a downside it should give you teleport as low as you can get your attack speed, now that's a cool item. It's still usable with a barber for nm dungeons +30 levels in a teleporting lucky hit style build with meteor and orb, I'd change my barber to try out the dump all mana on orbs jewel but they don't come out straight and I doubt it remains feasible anyway, because the barber is the only thing that enables any sort of neat build you might want to try because of the tepidness in their itemization. flashman fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Aug 19, 2023 |
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Shako et al aren't required for endgame builds. They're fine as lotto prizes. Yeah some are way good and will significantly boost your build but you don't need them for a functional build. They're well beyond even enigma.
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Season Journey is most definitely gonna have a permanent uber unique drop rate increaser juice or something in it. Come back every season to shave off another zero from your drop rate!!
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Season Journey is most definitely gonna have a permanent uber unique drop rate increaser juice or something in it. Come back every season to shave off another zero from your drop rate!! Actually I think it’s gonna have a couple flawless gems and three coiling wards at the end
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Just remember - you might not like the drop rate of shako, so it's clearly an early access game
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Mustached Demon posted:Shako et al aren't required for endgame builds. They're fine as lotto prizes. Yeah some are way good and will significantly boost your build but you don't need them for a functional build. Dude Enigma is on a level entirely different than any of the d4 uber uniques. Giving any class the ability to cast teleport is insane.
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I have to believe that people who don't think that the current drop rate of uber uniques isn't awful must not truly understand just how rare these things are. Based on data mining you can expect to see 400,000+ Temerity pants drop for yourself before you ever see a single uber unique. You could play until the end of your life and never see one. I wouldn't be surprised if the special season 1 uber unique doesn't even drop for anyone before season 2 starts. It's stupid and pointless.
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I was just about done with this season and then my Necromancer found a max rolled Lidless Wall and suddenly this game is fun and cool again???
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Martian Manfucker posted:I have to believe that people who don't think that the current drop rate of uber uniques isn't awful must not truly understand just how rare these things are. Lol I totally missed they added a new Uber unique so I looked it up and man that aspect is lovely when you realize you have to give up either two legendary affixes or a single affix with the stats doubled. Who wants a situational random shrine buff. It’s worthless against a boss or Lilith.
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Martian Manfucker posted:I have to believe that people who don't think that the current drop rate of uber uniques isn't awful must not truly understand just how rare these things are. im not really upset that they didn't add tyrael's might or some other callback to a d2 unique and i perceive the uber uniques the same way. they dont exist and dont really matter to me
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El Scandelouse posted:Dude Enigma is on a level entirely different than any of the d4 uber uniques. Giving any class the ability to cast teleport is insane. Yes lol the enigma is an awesome item with cool benefits. D2 teleport without the long rear end cd even
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flashman posted:Yes lol the enigma is an awesome item with cool benefits. D2 teleport without the long rear end cd even Right. And it was also easier to get than any of the d4 uber uniques cause you could craft up runes.
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Martian Manfucker posted:I have to believe that people who don't think that the current drop rate of uber uniques isn't awful must not truly understand just how rare these things are. It’s almost as rare as winning the lottery.
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I had hoped that D4 would have interesting enough itemization to keep the endgame interesting, it does not. It was nice of them to make legendaries something you can build and move to different slots. Main issue is that you need god-drops to consider moving something you've been using for 20 levels out of a slot, and the game is still in the majority dropping sacred items on me 20+ levels after they became obsolete. The seasonal cancer gems' capstone is just an overcomplicated description for "multiply your damage by 5-10x." Congrats you can now endgame. And the paragon board is super clunky and makes me feel locked into a build because it takes me 30m to rebuild an even somewhat complicated board. I have been able to make Fireball sorcerer work in late game. If I want to change from fireball I have to re-itemize heavily and then sit there loving around with my paragon board. I frankly preferred the D3 setup, it wasn't deep but it was elegant.
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Eh enigma's less awesome after you learn how D2 generates maps and realize endgame is pretty much chaos sanctuary. Or the good terror zones where you do not want to skip stuff.
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Mustached Demon posted:Eh enigma's less awesome Nice try Diablo.
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Can someone explain (or link) how the barber gem boosts damage that much? It actually seemed like a downgrade with pulverize when the timer roll was longer than vulnerable procs lasted, but since moving to tornado and a shorter roll poo poo just blows up.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:My issue isn't with the game - it has plenty of issues well trodden and covered in this thread - it's with goons' major misunderstanding of what early access actually means, and the way they trivialize the term sure, though ironically blizz employees themselves are the source of the 'our players will just beta test it on live.' hell ion caused a huge exodus from wow after stating that in an interview. anyways i don't disagree about the strict semantic correctness of it, but if u interpret it simply as people talking about the phenomenon of games getting released while blatantly unfinished/missing core planned features it doesn't seem out of place. it's not the phrase I'd use for it, but eh w/e we're just some assholes on a half dead message board
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Martian Manfucker posted:I have to believe that people who don't think that the current drop rate of uber uniques isn't awful must not truly understand just how rare these things are. Nah I get it. It's just that none of them actually seem like they would be all that impactful in reality, so I just don't care if I never see one. +4 to all skills sounds impressive, but by the time you get one and already have a functional build, what's it actually going to do for you? A little more damage and/or the ability to take a few extra skill tree passives you couldn't before, while still having 5/5 on your active skills? My eternal realm druid was already up to something stupid like +14 on his main damage dealing ability by the time I hit 100. Meh It doesn't seem like the kind of thing that opens up any new builds or anything, but just lets you run up bigger numbers, at a point in the game's progression when you're usually more interested in stacking defense anyway. Plus you're already bumping into the problem every other unique has: you have to sacrifice aspects AND the ability to get stats relevant to your build to run it, which often works out to a bad trade. That said, I agree that the whole thing is pointless and stupid, partially for the reasons above. Make them more like Enigma AND make the drop rates not astronomically low, IMHO. If they're going to stay as currently designed, aka purely there to create hype on youtube when someone finds one, then I can't really be bothered to get too worked up about them. Hulk Krogan fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Aug 19, 2023 |
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Can someone explain (or link) how the barber gem boosts damage that much? It actually seemed like a downgrade with pulverize when the timer roll was longer than vulnerable procs lasted, but since moving to tornado and a shorter roll poo poo just blows up. It basically does giant AOE damage bursts on a timer when you crit with a large multiplier on top of them. quote:Critical Strikes and all subsequent damage within 2.0-4.0 seconds is absorbed by your target. Then, the absorbed damage erupts onto surrounding enemies*. Stored damage is increased by 10% per second. So, when you crit, wait a few seconds, and then lots of targets take all the damage, with a 20-40% interest rate. *I don't think surrounding enemies is a well-defined term and the text suggests that the target will block all the damage, but they don't seem to
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yeah they're good but for how rare they are they really should just completely break the game wide open. if only a few people are going to find them all season, gently caress it make them turn you into one of the angels or something similarly wild like that
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Can someone explain (or link) how the barber gem boosts damage that much? It actually seemed like a downgrade with pulverize when the timer roll was longer than vulnerable procs lasted, but since moving to tornado and a shorter roll poo poo just blows up. It takes all damage you do during the duration, boosts it by the %, then it explodes out as AOE. All of which get boosted by your overpower, crit, etc etc It definitely works better with some skills vs others. Rewards piling as much damage as possible in that buildup.
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