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StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

ADHD doesn’t make you an rear end in a top hat.

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StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Like sure Linus could benefit from medication and therapy but it won’t change his personality.

Tuxedo Gin
May 21, 2003

Classy.

He's not even creative. He's just a clown. Jackass: Nerd Edition

Branch Nvidian
Nov 29, 2012



StrixNebulosa posted:

ADHD doesn’t make you an rear end in a top hat.

Despite what a lot of assholes with ADHD would like for us to think.

Branch Nvidian
Nov 29, 2012



Tuxedo Gin posted:

He's not even creative. He's just a clown. Jackass: Nerd Edition

I'M LINUS SEBASTIAN, AND WELCOME TO JACKASS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rk3b1ctttg

Gros Tarla
Dec 30, 2008

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

watch this if what you want to feel this morning is an intense desire to die on the spot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSr1dBcrzmw

Was this posted on their /r/?

I want to see the fans twist themselves into a pretzel to justify this.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Branch Nvidian posted:

Despite what a lot of assholes with ADHD would like for us to think.

I’m diagnosed adhd and autistic and it drives me insane to see people blame bad behavior on those things when no! Broadly speaking, being forgetful and unable to focus doesn’t make you an rear end in a top hat, it’s not a reason or an excuse. :argh:

kliras
Mar 27, 2021

Gros Tarla posted:

Was this posted on their /r/?

I want to see the fans twist themselves into a pretzel to justify this.
not yet, you can follow submissions with this link:

https://old.reddit.com/search?q=url%3AYSr1dBcrzmw

Branch Nvidian
Nov 29, 2012



StrixNebulosa posted:

I’m diagnosed adhd and autistic and it drives me insane to see people blame bad behavior on those things when no! Broadly speaking, being forgetful and unable to focus doesn’t make you an rear end in a top hat, it’s not a reason or an excuse. :argh:

Yeah, our behaviors are still mostly based on our own decisions, and not the fault of disabilities. I've got really bad dysthymia, and while it makes me feel grumpy drat near all the time, its absolutely a choice on whether I want to be a grumpy fucker to people I deal with or not. Extremely frustrating when people try to use these things as excuses.

the panacea
May 10, 2008

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Apologies for my first post, I didn't take the time to properly word things in a way that would convey what I mean:

ADHD is certainly not the main or sole reason someone is an rear end in a top hat.

However, it is very much possible that the toxic work climate and practices at a company being owned and run by someone suffering from it (and likely other comorbidities) are at least in part attributable to or influenced by it.

Eg: Not everyone with ADHD necessarily suffers from overwhelming emotional disregulation or Rejection Sensitivity and these issues are often still overlooked or not adequately treated by therapists.

Yet if your boss or owner of the company suffers from it, then it can definitely have an impact on the employees.
And doubly so if there's a well meaning but enabling support structure in place for that person.


I suffer from severe ADHD myself and was only diagnosed in my late 20s (crashing out during my psych masters degree program) and it took quite some time and effort to find the right pharmaceutical treatment plan.

I don't want to downplay or excuse his behavior by partially attributing it to ADHD. He is definitely high functioning and privileged enough to be able to seek professional help and treatment.

I just thought it was an interesting point. (Also I'm ESL and can't deal with writing short sentences)

the panacea fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Aug 20, 2023

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

StrixNebulosa posted:

I’m diagnosed adhd and autistic and it drives me insane to see people blame bad behavior on those things when no! Broadly speaking, being forgetful and unable to focus doesn’t make you an rear end in a top hat, it’s not a reason or an excuse. :argh:

ADHD is pretty strongly associated with aggression/stress management problems, emotional regulation issues, panic attacks (that can often manifest as aggression in men/boys), and the hyperactivity side of things is even comorbid with poo poo like mania and hypomania.

Much of it is the downstream effects of growing up in society with undiagnosed/untreated ADHD but at least some of it seems to be endemic to the condition itself.

A LOT of adult ADHD gets misdiagnosed as Bipolar Type 2, for example.

the panacea
May 10, 2008

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Ok Comboomer posted:

ADHD is pretty strongly associated with aggression/stress management problems, emotional regulation issues, panic attacks (that can often manifest as aggression in men/boys), and the hyperactivity side of things is even comorbid with poo poo like mania and hypomania.

Much of it is the downstream effects of growing up in society with undiagnosed/untreated ADHD but at least some of it seems to be endemic to the condition itself.

A LOT of adult ADHD gets misdiagnosed as Bipolar Type 2, for example.

Also quite a few people with Bipolar get misdiagnosed with ADHD and there's also a considerable population that hit the jackpot with both

Last I checked Bipolar Disorder and ADHD shared around 14 features.
According to one study there's a 40% chance to also have ADHD when you got a bipolar diagnosis.

the panacea fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Aug 20, 2023

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

Hands up for that duo.

Anyways, it's not really relevant because internet youtube diagnosis is not the way to go about it. Even if either is the case, it isn't an excuse for bad behaviour. The only folks I'd excuse are those experiencing their first mania or emerging from a sheltered environment into a space where their symptoms first become evidently harmful. There's usually a period in the late teens and early 20's when folks suddenly discover that something ain't right and that can be messy. Working towards improvement and empathy towards oneself and others, even if there are steps backwards, is what counts.

Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Aug 20, 2023

kliras
Mar 27, 2021
nerds in stem using adhd/autism as an excuse for objectively terrible workplace behaviour is the oldest thing in the book, it's a shame it still happens. sucks that bad behaviour is excused, and sucks that people with certain conditions are thrown under the bus just so that certain people don't face consequences and are forced to change their attitudes

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Yeah fwiw I don't know if Linus is diagnosed anything, I just think everyone could benefit from therapy (and medication as needed). Hell, if Linus was willing to do the introspection and work with a good therapist he might find empathy within himself, and learn to become a boss who wouldn't ignore and enable employee abuse...

CBD Corndog
Jun 21, 2009



Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

watch this if what you want to feel this morning is an intense desire to die on the spot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSr1dBcrzmw

That sure was some of the hackiest standup I’ve seen in a while

Gros Tarla posted:

Was this posted on their /r/?

I want to see the fans twist themselves into a pretzel to justify this.

Back when this was all blowing up, there were a couple people on r/LTT calling James (and a few other old mainstay guys) out for being a Jorp guy based on twitter follows and background stuff in LTT videos. The amount of people swarming in to defend Jorp and justify it as ‘in the beginning he was actually giving good advice’ was incredible

Cenodoxus
Mar 29, 2012

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What was their original monetization strategy for the LTT Labs data? Were they going to paywall it, or was it meant to be a free service propped up by YT and merch sales?

In either case, I think they're seriously boned - there's no way they didn't hinge either result on some "expected future growth" metric that's now way off course.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

CBD Corndog posted:

Back when this was all blowing up, there were a couple people on r/LTT calling James (and a few other old mainstay guys) out for being a Jorp guy based on twitter follows and background stuff in LTT videos. The amount of people swarming in to defend Jorp and justify it as ‘in the beginning he was actually giving good advice’ was incredible

jorp to the torp

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Cenodoxus posted:

What was their original monetization strategy for the LTT Labs data? Were they going to paywall it, or was it meant to be a free service propped up by YT and merch sales?

In either case, I think they're seriously boned - there's no way they didn't hinge either result on some "expected future growth" metric that's now way off course.

It was going to be the basis for better hardware reviews, and a wider range of hardware reviews. Like has been said before, they were trying to be Gamers Nexus and RTINGS combined. There probably would've been a raw data dump for Floatplane subscribers too, like Hardware Unboxed does with benchmark graphs they don't show in videos.

Malaria
Oct 21, 2017



Cenodoxus posted:

What was their original monetization strategy for the LTT Labs data? Were they going to paywall it, or was it meant to be a free service propped up by YT and merch sales?

In either case, I think they're seriously boned - there's no way they didn't hinge either result on some "expected future growth" metric that's now way off course.

From what I remember he wanted to make a big website with reviews/rankings of everything. Like a database site with like every power supply that exisits, gpus, cpus, coolers, audio stuff like mics, etc.

All that money he spent buying and building the labs is probably worthless now.

It's a pretty ambitious idea that could have been cool. I think he wanted to be known for legitimacy instead of the wacky tech guy who drops things. oops.

Malaria fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Aug 20, 2023

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

https://news.google.com/s/CAoiMENCSVNIam9KYzNSdmNua3RNell3U2hFS0R3aW4yYm5lQ0JFS3dfcy00azZfbmlnQVAB?sceid=US:en

Google News has a big list of all the related LTT articles now.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

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Malaria posted:

From what I remember he wanted to make a big website with reviews/rankings of everything. Like a database site with like every power supply that exisits, gpus, cpus, coolers, audio stuff like mics, etc.

All that money he spent buying and building the labs is probably worthless now.

It's a pretty ambitious idea that could have been cool. I think he wanted to be known for legitimacy instead of the wacky tech guy who drops things. oops.

How was he going to make money on that? There area already companies doing all sorts of testing including like Anandtech and Cybenetics and that doesn't seem to be a particularly profitable niche.

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

watch this if what you want to feel this morning is an intense desire to die on the spot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSr1dBcrzmw

Even without watching this video, I can already feel the dudebro "edgy" misogyny seeping through the screen. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was eventually revealed that he was one of the main people doing the bullying and harassing in Madison's allegations.

Malaria posted:

From what I remember he wanted to make a big website with reviews/rankings of everything. Like a database site with like every power supply that exisits, gpus, cpus, coolers, audio stuff like mics, etc.

All that money he spent buying and building the labs is probably worthless now.

It's a pretty ambitious idea that could have been cool. I think he wanted to be known for legitimacy instead of the wacky tech guy who drops things. oops.

A couple of videos I've watched discussing the whole LTT debacle have kind of referenced the idea that Linus wants the best of both worlds: he wants to be taken seriously as the first AND last word in tech reviews with the testing labs and connections with large tech companies and so on...but he also evidently has the mentality that he's still filming videos with his wife and buds in the garage or at the kitchen table, which you really can't have any more once your company swells to over 100 people.

Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Aug 20, 2023

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


mobby_6kl posted:

How was he going to make money on that? There area already companies doing all sorts of testing including like Anandtech and Cybenetics and that doesn't seem to be a particularly profitable niche.

RTINGS makes shitloads of money off affiliate links tied to its recommended product articles and reviews, as well as subscriptions to access its more niche categories.

Malaria
Oct 21, 2017



mobby_6kl posted:

How was he going to make money on that? There area already companies doing all sorts of testing including like Anandtech and Cybenetics and that doesn't seem to be a particularly profitable niche.

From what I remember, he figured it was a worthy investment for the brand, and would cost a ton of money but be worth it in the long run. I think he was maybe gonna spin off some LTT Labs channels too, in order to monitize it. But the data would be useful for main channel LTT videos too.

I didn't think it was an awful idea at the time.

But knowing what we know now... lol


edit: Just remembered they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a cage that blocks all cell phone signals so they can test signal strength of different phones. lol. Dude probably spent a crazy amount of money.


njsykora posted:

RTINGS makes shitloads of money off affiliate links tied to its recommended product articles and reviews, as well as subscriptions to access its more niche categories.

Pretty sure he mentioned the affiliate links thing, and possibly getting into the business selling stuff based on data from labs.

Malaria fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Aug 20, 2023

Hamelekim
Feb 25, 2006

And another thing... if global warming is real. How come it's so damn cold?
Ramrod XTreme

StrixNebulosa posted:

Like sure Linus could benefit from medication and therapy but it won’t change his personality.

There is a reason he has gone his entire life without friends. As per his own sob video he did.

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

watch this if what you want to feel this morning is an intense desire to die on the spot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSr1dBcrzmw

i went to a comedy club once with a bunch of locals preforming. one dude made jokes like james, didn't do too well. the next guy came up and said "dude, we're not famous enough to joke about beating our wives. just comes off a fuckin weird." lmao

disaster pastor
May 1, 2007


njsykora posted:

JayzTwoCentz has posted a comment on the video in support of Steve, be very funny if the "Techtuber" world hard splits in two over this. Maybe we get a Broadway dance fight between Steve, Aussie Steve and Jay vs Linus, Paul Hardware and someone else I only know 5 channels. Hardware Canucks maybe.

Paul's now released a video, and while it's mostly* as gentle and easygoing as everything else Paul does, he's very firmly on Steve's side, and the closest he comes to backing Linus is saying that he hopes Linus gets some perspective and does better going forward, and that if he does, that LTT viewers forgive the mistakes that were not intentional or malicious.

* He does say about Madison's allegations that "I hope we can all recognize that anyone who would treat someone the way Madison described is just a massive shitstain. gently caress that person, I hope the rest of their life is miserable," and finishes the discussion by tweaking Linus's nose a bit and saying "I attempted some 'proper journalistic practices'": he reached out to GN for comment (and Steve replied).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmyiRB3YZq4

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

disaster pastor posted:

Paul's now released a video, and while it's mostly* as gentle and easygoing as everything else Paul does, he's very firmly on Steve's side, and the closest he comes to backing Linus is saying that he hopes Linus gets some perspective and does better going forward, and that if he does, that LTT viewers forgive the mistakes that were not intentional or malicious.

* He does say about Madison's allegations that "I hope we can all recognize that anyone who would treat someone the way Madison described is just a massive shitstain. gently caress that person, I hope the rest of their life is miserable," and finishes the discussion by tweaking Linus's nose a bit and saying "I attempted some 'proper journalistic practices'": he reached out to GN for comment (and Steve replied).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmyiRB3YZq4

I haven't watched a ton of videos from other tech YouTubers on this, but the ones I have watched all tended to pretty much be firmly on Steve's side. I haven't seen any that covered the allegations by Madison negatively, though you do get varying levels of "these are just allegations, nothing's been proven conclusively yet". That said, a few have commented "there have been rumblings about the work environment at LTT for a while now" and a couple said things along the same lines as Paul, about how the person who acted the way Madison described is a piece of poo poo and should be fired.

Raylax
Jul 21, 2021

Tshshshshshshshsh

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

watch this if what you want to feel this morning is an intense desire to die on the spot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSr1dBcrzmw

:whitewater:

when I was reading through Madison's thread one particular guy's face kept coming to mind and uhhhhh yeah this isn't making that theory any weaker. He has always come across as an absolute bellend

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

watch this if what you want to feel this morning is an intense desire to die on the spot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSr1dBcrzmw

which permabanned poster was he

whiskas
May 30, 2005
Since she is no longer with LMG and didn't name any names, I just don't see her getting her pound of flesh out of this. The "investigation" will just result in them saying they've improved their policies and procedures around workplace harassment. At the end of the day they will do whatever it takes to preserve their relationships with their sponsors.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

whiskas posted:

Since she is no longer with LMG and didn't name any names, I just don't see her getting her pound of flesh out of this. The "investigation" will just result in them saying they've improved their policies and procedures around workplace harassment. At the end of the day they will do whatever it takes to preserve their relationships with their sponsors.

who the gently caress is talking about a pound of flesh? calling out workplace sexual harassment and misogyny is worthwhile and very much worth supporting, regardless of if you get compensation. if LTT doesn't fire whoever was a creeper to her, then that's another reason for myself and lots of others to keep not watching them.

this post is loving disgusting, op.

Triikan
Feb 23, 2007
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whiskas posted:

Since she is no longer with LMG and didn't name any names, I just don't see her getting her pound of flesh out of this. The "investigation" will just result in them saying they've improved their policies and procedures around workplace harassment. At the end of the day they will do whatever it takes to preserve their relationships with their sponsors.

I think you should reread Merchant of Venice before you continue using this phrase.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


I love the mindset of assuming sexual harassment accusations are about revenge and not wanting people who come after to not have to have the same experience.

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

whiskas posted:

Since she is no longer with LMG and didn't name any names, I just don't see her getting her pound of flesh out of this. The "investigation" will just result in them saying they've improved their policies and procedures around workplace harassment. At the end of the day they will do whatever it takes to preserve their relationships with their sponsors.

I think your post is making some very large (and rather gross) assumptions about why Madison came forward with her allegations

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

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Ok Comboomer posted:

jorp to the torp

Jörpmungandr

Branch Nvidian
Nov 29, 2012



whiskas posted:

Since she is no longer with LMG and didn't name any names, I just don't see her getting her pound of flesh out of this. The "investigation" will just result in them saying they've improved their policies and procedures around workplace harassment. At the end of the day they will do whatever it takes to preserve their relationships with their sponsors.

Either you made a real lovely post, or you don't know what "a pound of flesh" means, which makes this a lovely post anyway.

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

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FuturePastNow posted:

which permabanned poster was he

https://forums.somethingawful.com/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=40128

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Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Branch Nvidian posted:

Either you made a real lovely post, or you don't know what "a pound of flesh" means, which makes this a lovely post anyway.
I had to look it up, because as a non-native English speaker, I haven't heard it.



OK, someone tell me that's the problem here? I interpret his as Madison supposedly not being able to get anything out of this, specifically from the dickwad that caused her the most grief.

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