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Again, the original discussion point was whether or not cars can have solar panels and whether or not it would work. You’ve moved the goalposts back to “it wouldn’t make sense” and now “poor people can’t afford it”. Neither of those have anything to do with whether or not a car can be built with solar panels and whether or not those solar panels would be sufficient to charge the car.
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To contribute, since someone linked to that student-built research car Stella, some of the students/people involved have spun out formed a business called Lightyear. Wikipedia says that they shipped a very small handful of their first car, Lightyear 0, for about $300k a piece. quote:However, in January 2023 Lightyear announced that it was halting production of the 0 model, redirecting their efforts towards production of Lightyear 2; Atlas Technologies B.V., the subsidiary responsible for the manufacture of the Lightyear 0, would be allowed to go bankrupt. AFAIK they are still working on that Lighttyear 2, are still hiring, and are taking preorders.
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Jesus III posted:Hahahahaha! You ever seen the apartments I'm talking about? Two floors, 100s of units? That's what I'm talking about. Lluxury apartments will totally have chargers if you are paying 3 grand a month (Dallas TX prices, btw I think that's a city), but 1000 a month places won't have that anytime soon and some bartender can't afford an EV. I'm sure you'll bring up bar tenders that make a million a year. You can buy a brand new 2023 Chevvy Bolt for $19,995 in the US now with using the federal tax credit. Plenty of apartment dwellers and bartenders can afford that, thats not remotely a luxury vehicle price tag.
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Blut posted:You can buy a brand new 2023 Chevvy Bolt for $19,995 in the US now with using the federal tax credit. Plenty of apartment dwellers and bartenders can afford that, thats not remotely a luxury vehicle price tag. Put a solar panel on it now, what does it cost? That's what the argument was about. But thanks for the tip. If I find someone who wants a car they can afford but can't charge at their apartment, I'll let them know.
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My friend just bought an electric car while living in an apartment with no place to plug it in. Based on their driving habits they calculated they they would have to visit a charger somewhere every ~3 weeks and were fine with that. Then they drove it a while and found out that the 250-mile advertised range is actually more like 100 to 150 if you follow the manufacturer’s charging recommendations. So now there are negotiations with the landlord to add a charging circuit to an ancient building whose existing panels were described by an electrician as “widowmakers.”
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Are there a bunch of tax credits or other incentives that building owners can use to reduce some of the costs?
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Thanks Ants posted:Are there a bunch of tax credits or other incentives that building owners can use to reduce some of the costs? Quick googling says the inflation reduction act provides a tax credit of 30% of the hardware and installation cost. If I was a landlord why would I do this for less than 100%? What’s the tenant going to do, complain? I’ve got a list of 10 other tenants who could immediately move in.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Quick googling says the inflation reduction act provides a tax credit of 30% of the hardware and installation cost. If I was a landlord why would I do this for less than 100%? What’s the tenant going to do, complain? I’ve got a list of 10 other tenants who could immediately move in. Or you could charge more for your apartments to defray the costs! Those EV owners, on average, make more money and would be glad to pay!
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I have had an EV for 1.5 years while living in an apartment. I charge at grocery stores, it's no big deal. There are two different sets of fast chargers within a 10 minute walk of my house, although sometimes I prefer the slow charger cause then I can just leave it there all day.
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Have there not been companies springing up in the U.S. that are subscription-based charging stations? They've been all over Denmark for the past few years. They cost a bit more per kWh than using your own charger, but significantly less than paying retail. The company covers the installation and maintenance of the chargers, the landlord gets a kickback every month, and the users get chargers all over the place at reasonable prices plus a small monthly fee.
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Jesus III posted:Hahahahaha! You ever seen the apartments I'm talking about? Two floors, 100s of units? That's what I'm talking about. Lluxury apartments will totally have chargers if you are paying 3 grand a month (Dallas TX prices, btw I think that's a city), but 1000 a month places won't have that anytime soon and some bartender can't afford an EV. I'm sure you'll bring up bar tenders that make a million a year. Are you aware that D&D doesn't mean derision and dismissiveness in the context of these forums?
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MixMasterMalaria posted:Are you aware that D&D doesn't mean derision and dismissiveness in the context of these forums? I am pretty dismissive when people think putting solar panels on cars in the near future is a good idea. You've got me there. A big fault that I need to work on. Perhaps we should have a discussion about why some people are bad because of the fast food they like? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jesus III posted:Hahahahaha! You ever seen the apartments I'm talking about? Two floors, 100s of units? That's what I'm talking about. Lluxury apartments will totally have chargers if you are paying 3 grand a month (Dallas TX prices, btw I think that's a city), but 1000 a month places won't have that anytime soon and some bartender can't afford an EV. I'm sure you'll bring up bar tenders that make a million a year. Plus, it's very much a sellers market. Landlords can charge high rents without putting in electric car chargers, there is little reason to invest in any sort of upgrade when you already have your pick of tenants. At most they will install them in a few spots and charge hundreds of dollars a month to park in them.
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Lmfao @ thinking that landlords will do anything that isn't going to make them more money in the next two months.
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There might come a day when electric outlets for EVs become as ubiquitous as parking spaces, at which point landlords will begrudgingly install them in apartments.
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Is there a good neutral source for figuring out what kind of solar installation is worth it on your own home? I've been trying to figure out lately whether I should spend money on solar panels, and if so, how much, but it's hard to get information from sources that aren't also selling it (admittedly it's also hard because you're basically asking people to tell you the future).
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niethan posted:Public transport The best form of self driving car
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Chronojam posted:There are J1772 extension cords and they're nowhere near $2000. I'm not sure it's a good idea to leave a cord like that just laying on the ground.
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Something kinda funny popped up in my news feeds the other day. I’m just posting it here cause it’s kinda tech related in that it’s enabled by tech (full-self driving car taxis without chaperone/safety drivers): people are having sex in them. https://sfstandard.com/2023/08/11/san-francisco-robotaxi-cruise-debauchery/ quote:As autonomous vehicles become increasingly popular in San Francisco, some riders are wondering just how far they can push the vehicles’ limits—especially with no front-seat driver or chaperone to discourage them from questionable behavior. Kinda funny but I guess not unexpected. I assume rich people with personal drivers do it all the time but now random goons who download an app can do it too.
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Jen heir rick posted:I'm not sure it's a good idea to leave a cord like that just laying on the ground. They're explicitly designed to be left laying on the ground in all weather, and run over by cars. Including the connector handle. Obviously if you can hook the end on something or keep it in a dry box it's better long-term, but outdoor EV charging stations in everyday parking lots has been a thing for a long time now.
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I'd struggle to walk in a pair of slippers 5 sizes too big, so well done for that, I guess
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Chronojam posted:They're explicitly designed to be left laying on the ground in all weather, and run over by cars. Including the connector handle. I think there is a misunderstanding, the charger station itself could have an outdoor rated lead allowed to hang on the ground when in use (and hung in its holder when not) but they are talking about running power out to where the car parks. There is no electrical standard in the world that just lets you run permanently installed cable on the ground. At the very least put it in some cable tray (for ease of maintenance) or bury it to standard so it does not look like arse..
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Boris Galerkin posted:Kinda funny but I guess not unexpected. I assume rich people with personal drivers do it all the time but now random goons who download an app can do it too. So is that called joining the . . . ground-level club or something?
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Chronojam posted:They're explicitly designed to be left laying on the ground in all weather, and run over by cars. Including the connector handle. As an electrical PE, I would be very curious to see the spec for how many times these things are rated to be run over by a car, because I'm very doubtful that it's the intent for them to just be laid across a driveway unprotected
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Boris Galerkin posted:Something kinda funny popped up in my news feeds the other day. I’m just posting it here cause it’s kinda tech related in that it’s enabled by tech (full-self driving car taxis without chaperone/safety drivers): people are having sex in them. I’m surprised there hasn’t been any stories around employees sharing footage of customers having sex in their robot cars.
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roffles posted:I’m surprised there hasn’t been any stories around employees sharing footage of customers having sex in their robot cars. I think there’s only two companies that are allowed to operate fully autonomous robotaxis in the US: Waymo and Cruise. The former is owned by Google, the latter GM. Both are big boy companies presumably with a functional legal department, unlike Tesla who’s employees do/did share privately recorded video taken from the car’s cameras. E: Looks like a 3rd company might also be operational, called Zoox, owned by Amazon. E2: To be clear I’m not saying Google, GM, and Amazon can’t do wrong. I’m just saying those are companies headed by legit business people with fully functional legal and compliance departments and whatnot. Unlike Tesla, which is headed by a 5 year old child surrounded by yes-men. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Aug 15, 2023 |
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Amazon had those Alexa recording leaks so it's not like Amazon is any better.
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Papercut posted:As an electrical PE, I would be very curious to see the spec for how many times these things are rated to be run over by a car, because I'm very doubtful that it's the intent for them to just be laid across a driveway unprotected To be fair, the poster never specified that they had to be functional afterwards.
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A quick search shows, a lot of people on random forums saying yeah you can run over extension cables, and a lot of safety boards and government places saying please, please don't run over your extension cables. I would say it definitely falls under a thing you can probably do but really shouldn't. For example a Texas government safety at working when using extension cords fact sheet with it explicitly listed under things not to do: https://www.tdi.texas.gov/pubs/videoresource/fsextcords.pdf
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Aren't there ramp-plates specifically for laying over cords so you can run over them?
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The Lone Badger posted:Aren't there ramp-plates specifically for laying over cords so you can run over them? Yeah, I don't think there that uncommon. Pretty sure plenty of construction sites and the such would use them. https://www.nationalsafetyproducts.com.au/category/ground-cable-protection/
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Papercut posted:As an electrical PE, I would be very curious to see the spec for how many times these things are rated to be run over by a car, because I'm very doubtful that it's the intent for them to just be laid across a driveway unprotected Well they're still an extension cable, not a structural piece meant to literally be squished everyday. The idea is you just have a long-rear end EVSE cable stretched on your lawn or driveway when in use.
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If you buy a cord actually intended to be driven over, there's no particular reason to think they're lying to you. Ground pressures on cars/trucks aren't particularly high, it's the same as the tire pressure. Even a semi truck or a city bus is only ~130psi or less. That will destroy something with a basic jacket, but you can get that kind of crush resistance out of plastic armor, you don't even need metal. It's not free in terms of either cost or cable flexibility, but it isn't hard to design or incredibly expensive either.
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dr_rat posted:A quick search shows, a lot of people on random forums saying yeah you can run over extension cables, and a lot of safety boards and government places saying please, please don't run over your extension cables. Not an emptyquote.
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https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2023/08/01/ukraines-latest-weapons-in-its-war-with-russia-3d-printed-bombs A story about Ukraine's home made drone delivered bombs. This has everything, from drones to 3d printing and even... ChatGPT. quote:Hand grenades are designed to be thrown, so they are light. But when they are dropped from drones, this can be a drawback. With a typical weight of just 300 grams, grenades are short on “killing power”, says a man nicknamed “Lyosha”, who is an amateur weapons-maker based in Kyiv. After one goes off, he says, targeted Russian soldiers “often just keep running”. quote:Bomb techies hope to extend the kill radius still further. Some “candy shops” use software to model the killing potential of different shrapnel types and mounting angles relative to the charge, says one soldier in Kyiv with knowledge of their efforts. Chatgpt, an ai language model, is also queried for engineering tips (suggesting that the efforts of Openai, Chatgpt’s creator, to prevent these sorts of queries are not working). Errrrrr I'm not sure if I would trust the language model on this, but then I have never tried 3d printing bombs so what do I know. (Also I appreciate it how the Economist is sharing technical tips to domestics terrorists everywhere...)
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Nenonen posted:(Also I appreciate it how the Economist is sharing technical tips to domestics terrorists everywhere...) No need... theres already probably ads for firearms in the pages that seem to be the weapons of choice for American lunatics.
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