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Fuschia tude posted:What would that even possibly be? Someone who just openly murders people? There’s an argument to be made that DeSantis would have the same horrible opinions on minorities and the poor but be more effective at making GBS threads on them given how successful he’s been in doing so in Florida. It’s a moot argument given that DeSantis will not be the nominee ever, but it’s an argument.
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Trump is no slouch in the hiring nazis for government jobs department but I think DeSantis would beat him
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James Garfield posted:Trump is no slouch in the hiring nazis for government jobs department but I think DeSantis would beat him I mean he does have his actual army of brownshirts now so... Thankfully DeSantis's popularity is limited largely to Florida.
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Aug 20, 2023 17:28
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Fuschia tude posted:What would that even possibly be? Someone who just openly murders people? Someone who knows better but pardons Trump so he can run again.
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Aug 20, 2023 17:36
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Youngkin is the one we need to be afraid of. He’s a younger more eloquent trump with the religion amped up to a million.
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Aug 20, 2023 20:43
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The big thing with Trump was always the worry that after he fell a newer, competent fascist would rise in his place.
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Aug 20, 2023 21:16
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Anyone able to appeal to Trumpists (The people that control GOP primaries) is almost by definition going to repel everyone else. I just don't think there's a plausible candidate that can both win a Republican primary on the national level and also perform better than Trump has in the last two elections.
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Aug 20, 2023 21:17
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My bet is that if and when Trump actually falls the rest of the REpublicans will tear themselves apart fighting for his "legacy" and accusing each other of conspiring to betray him and so forth. I doubt any one candidate will recapture the 'magic." Still that Ramaswamy guy is the one scaring me at the moment. He has charm and brains and he's an absolute horrorshow.
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Aug 20, 2023 21:27
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Pillowpants posted:Youngkin is the one we need to be afraid of. He’s a younger more eloquent trump with the religion amped up to a million. There are two pieces of good news, there - the first is that Youngkin will never survive a GOP primary because he’s too eloquent and non-rabid for the GOP, and unless the national party does what the local party did and holds a private convention and ignores all of the primary results to make sure he’s the nominee, he’ll lose to any Trumpist. Or, as was said already: FLIPADELPHIA posted:Anyone able to appeal to Trumpists (The people that control GOP primaries) is almost by definition going to repel everyone else. I just don't think there's a plausible candidate that can both win a Republican primary on the national level and also perform better than Trump has in the last two elections. The second piece of good news is that as soon as he got elected, all of his eloquence and dog-whistling turned straight into “no abortions or gay rights ever” and his approvals dropped a bunch,, and have only recovered in the last few months because he’s done nothing and said nothing.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:My bet is that if and when Trump actually falls the rest of the REpublicans will tear themselves apart fighting for his "legacy" and accusing each other of conspiring to betray him and so forth. I doubt any one candidate will recapture the 'magic." This is exactly what will happen. The cult are lifers at this point. The fact that Trump was ever in office was a perfect storm of poo poo I can't imagine ever happening again, and between Trump being so uniquely and spectacularly a piece of poo poo and failure, but also a stupid criminal, but also also having some weird degree of magnetism for a subset of truly insane and reprehensible people, blended finally with the fact that the Republican establishment hasn't cut bait yet... Yeah I don't see any other outcome.
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Aug 20, 2023 21:50
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The best hope for the GOP is to somehow get a highly visible celebrity who can dog whistle the Trumpists and coast in on name recognition alone. Any Republican politician at this point is stuck with a voting / policy record that will disgust the majority of Americans. But I can't really think of anyone that could fit the bill. Apparently Denzel Washington is pretty conservative and a deeply religious person. I have no idea what his politics are but if he's secretly a chud he could be dangerous if he leaned on the Jesus stuff. Someone with his reputation could have the media eating out of his hands. Complete speculation of course.
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The GOP could "solve" its problem in as little as four years, because all you need is someone with as little regard for political orthodoxy as Trump, and Trump definitively out of the way. The generation of politicians who have been obsequious to him (and therefore are not believable as his critics) is also almost out of the way. DeSantis is just too normal a politician to master the art of ranting like an unhinged maniac onstage, even if we'd all get the same or worse under President DeSantis. No one cares that he's been running to the right of Trump or how many babies he kisses, they need to see Buzz Windrip again.
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The Rock is apparently fairly conservative in general, but I dunno if he goes in on this Trump poo poo or not.
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He's far too much of a liberal elite for most Trumpers since he's an actor for sure. They absolutely will cut off their nose to spite their face.
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Failboattootoot posted:The Rock is apparently fairly conservative in general, but I dunno if he goes in on this Trump poo poo or not. The only pro-Trump entertainers I can recall don't come across as electable. I can't imagine James Woods or Robert Davi connecting with voters, Hulk Hogan has an n-word tape, I doubt even most stereotypical "boomer" conservative is going to treat Scott Baio as a god, etc. A big boost to Trump's image was a "reality show" (The Apprentice) where careful editing allowed him to be portrayed as an effective, no-nonsense leader. Enver Zogha fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Aug 20, 2023 |
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Apparently Denzel Washington is pretty conservative and a deeply religious person. I have no idea what his politics are but if he's secretly a chud he could be dangerous if he leaned on the Jesus stuff. Someone with his reputation could have the media eating out of his hands. Complete speculation of course. I feel like there might be a problem with Denzel as a GOP candidate, I can't quite put my finger on it...  Enver Zogha posted:The only pro-Trump actors I can recall don't come across as electable. I can't imagine James Woods or Robert Davi connecting with voters, Hulk Hogan has an n-word tape, I doubt even most stereotypical "boomer" conservative is going to treat Scott Baio as a god, etc. We are in the middle of elections for SAG and I got a mailer for an "Independent" group of candidates. The moment I saw Rob Schneider, Robert Davi and Dr. Drew's smug mugs in the group I laughed and ripped the flyer up before recycling. Good luck, guys! They were paired with Elliott Gould and Esai Morales, which is a bummer. I sure hope they aren't bird of a feather. VorpalBunny fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Aug 20, 2023 |
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Enver Zogha posted:He endorsed Biden in 2020, so at the very least he isn't a Trump fan. What about that Tarzan guy, isn't he a huge chud?
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Sure. Or someone who openly says black people / Jews are subhuman and should be purged from society. Trump is way more blatant about his sociopathy than your average Republican, but there is still a lot of room for worse. Is that really different than what Trump said about Mexicans and South Americans? Zamujasa posted:The big thing with Trump was always the worry that after he fell a newer, competent fascist would rise in his place. There's no such thing as a competent fascist. And as we're seeing with DeSantis, people don't want a "Trump, but boring." Trump supporters support him because he's incompetent and aggressive and unstable and offensive. They love that he rants about the conservative topic du jour and speaks off the cuff and says what they're thinking and fails to accomplish basic things—which is just proof that the Deep State et al. are out to get him, just like they've been oppressed their whole lives, too.
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James Garfield posted:Trump is no slouch in the hiring nazis for government jobs department but I think DeSantis would beat him scuttlebutt is that he's doing a decent job of making GBS threads up florida state agencies, so and that's aside from trying to convert the state guard into his personal brownshirts Hieronymous Alloy posted:My bet is that if and when Trump actually falls the rest of the REpublicans will tear themselves apart fighting for his "legacy" and accusing each other of conspiring to betray him and so forth. I doubt any one candidate will recapture the 'magic." I'm morbidly curious to see how many of the worst people in the GOP buy his takes on why him being a Hindu is okay. They're a combination of theologically solid (if generic and mainstream, the best kind of theologically solid) arguments and "sure, i'm not white and not quite christian, but my horrible political beliefs are identical to yours and I pretend they're religious because I'm an rear end in a top hat". It's a different pitch from Tulsi Gabbard, not that I'd mind them both suddenly deciding that they need to move to a mountaintop monastery and never be heard from again. 
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mobby_6kl posted:What about that Tarzan guy, isn't he a huge chud?  " energy that Trump has a lock on and which DeSantis tries to tap into.Chuck Norris is another example of this. He endorsed Trump, but he doesn't seem especially "Trumpian," just more of a generic "oh boy I sure do love Jesus Christ" Evangelical conservative who isn't capable of pulling off the reactionary demagogue "populist" shtick. Enver Zogha fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Aug 21, 2023 |
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Friendly reminder that we have an entire thread for GOP primarychat Elsewhere, Marcy Wheeler takes the releases surrounding Twitter's objections to the warrant to mock Twitter, cable news lawyers, and (relevant for the thread) speculate on what we know about the 40 warrants Trump whined about in DC court as a part of the push for a late trial date. First,  Muskquote:THE COURT: So just like Twitter doesn’t know much about the warrant here at all, and has only seen a small sliver of the entire warrant package, do you think that it strains credulity to believe the incremental disclosure of this order would somehow alter the current balance of public knowledge in any meaningful way? quote:THE COURT: So do you want to respond to that? — to Twitter’s comment that there is no reason to believe notification would suddenly cause Trump or potential confederates to destroy evidence, intimidate witnesses, or to flee prosecution, or are you waiting on that for an ex parte submission? quote:We’ve spent the last two weeks entranced by a single warrant, making grand conclusions about what Xitter — which also knew nothing — was emphasizing to win a legal battle.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:The best hope for the GOP is to somehow get a highly visible celebrity who can dog whistle the Trumpists and coast in on name recognition alone. Any Republican politician at this point is stuck with a voting / policy record that will disgust the majority of Americans. Duplicating Trump is impossible because he was famous for a VERY long time, his name shorthand for “rich business success” since the 1980’s. How many rap songs was Donald Trump mentioned in before 2016? Hundreds. Household name for four decades. It’s not just generic “celebrity” but a very specific confluence that happened at the right place at the right time and he’s still never won the popular vote.
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Someone should just convince Musk to run as a third party, bring on the chaos.
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socialsecurity posted:Someone should just convince Musk to run as a third party, bring on the chaos. No, absolutely not
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socialsecurity posted:Someone should just convince Musk to run as a third party, bring on the chaos. Maybe make him GOP chair. Wouldn't that be nice
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Musk isn't a "natural born citizen," and Constitutionally can't be president. And thank God for that.
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Tenkaris posted:No, absolutely not Why don't you want to see the government crush
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deoju posted:Musk isn't a "natural born citizen," and Constitutionally can't be president. President Musk rebranded it the United States of X in the hell dimension.
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deoju posted:Musk isn't a "natural born citizen," and Constitutionally can't be president. BUT THEY LET OBAMA DO IT
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deoju posted:Musk isn't a "natural born citizen," and Constitutionally can't be president. Nothing says you have to be legally eligible to be President in order to run for President. I say let him go hog wild on a 3rd Party bid. Make Perot look like an unseriousness cheapskate.
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I'm sorry, am I missing a joke here? Or was there a subgenre of Rap of songs that referenced Donald J. Trump?
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The Question IRL posted:I'm sorry, am I missing a joke here? Or was there a subgenre of Rap of songs that referenced Donald J. Trump?
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The Question IRL posted:I'm sorry, am I missing a joke here? Or was there a subgenre of Rap of songs that referenced Donald J. Trump? Before the escalator broke reality, Donald Trump was equivalent to Lifestyles Of The Rich And Famous. Gaudy consumption was his thing, and that's also big in Rap so he got name dropped often. Remember, that in popular culture he was famously rich and nobody really knew about the fact he was actually just too broke to fail.
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Santa Please" by Miss Eaves (2017): "Impeach for Christmas Impeach for Chanukah Impeach for Solstice Impeach for Kwanzaa One thing I need One thing I want Impeachment Impeach Trump" Four impeachments no but we did get four indictments so I'm counting it
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Gyges posted:Before the escalator broke reality, Donald Trump was equivalent to Lifestyles Of The Rich And Famous. Gaudy consumption was his thing, and that's also big in Rap so he got name dropped often. A book I used to like as a kid, How To Be A Superhero, was published in like 1990 and advised against asking Donald Trump to sponsor your superhero career (jetpacks and secret bases and the like being very expensive for non-billionaire playboys) because he'd make you rebrand yourself to be Trump-Man who gets to crime scenes in the Trump Mobile and analyses supervillain activity in your Trump HQ on your Trump Supercomputer and stuff. Guy has absolutely been a byword for gaudy, self-aggrandizing megawealth for decades, just like you say.
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Wow, thanks for this. I genuinely did not know that there was almost a sub genre* of songs calling out Trump. This is also legitimately awful, and all those musicians should feel bad. * = I had a similar reaction when I learned that there is a sungenre of sports media which is "person uses magic/super powers/ technology" to cheat at sports.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Sure. Or someone who openly says black people / Jews are subhuman and should be purged from society. Trump is way more blatant about his sociopathy than your average Republican, but there is still a lot of room for worse.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:My bet is that if and when Trump actually falls the rest of the REpublicans will tear themselves apart fighting for his "legacy" and accusing each other of conspiring to betray him and so forth. I doubt any one candidate will recapture the 'magic." The Republicans would never have a brown person as their nominee.
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The Question IRL posted:Wow, thanks for this. I follow sports and huh? Like yes people say that but it's basically always a trope for effect, not literally true. Just FYI. But anyway so as not to derail I'm honestly shocked the Trump Musical References List wasn't longer.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:The best hope for the GOP is to somehow get a highly visible celebrity who can dog whistle the Trumpists and coast in on name recognition alone. Any Republican politician at this point is stuck with a voting / policy record that will disgust the majority of Americans. Vince McMahon comes to mind. He's got the celebrity, the huckster thing, a short temper and talks a boat load of stupid poo poo. Probably there's a lot of crossover between Trump voters and wrestling fans as well. You wouldn't even have to photoshop him into one of those Trump Rambo posters.
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