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How many of this month's B-league main eventers do you recognize without googling?
This poll is closed.
Logan Storley 16 9.20%
Brennan Ward 17 9.77%
Chingiz Allazov 13 7.47%
Marat Grigorian 7 4.02%
Bubba Jenkins 21 12.07%
Jesus Pinedo 4 2.30%
Renan Ferreira 7 4.02%
Maurice Greene 24 13.79%
Clay Collard 22 12.64%
Shane Burgos 43 24.71%
Total: 46 votes
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COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

CarlCX posted:

I mean, objectively, no. Did he win and thus prove he's the #1 guy? Totally. Did he deserve the shot? Not really. The two can, and with more regularity are, becoming entirely separate things.

We will have this conversation again in December when Sean O'Malley is fighting Marlon Vera instead of Merab Dvalishvili.

Who deserved it more though?

Maybe Vera but wasn't he already booked? And Sean was on a longer win streak.
Merab won't fight him.
He already beat Sandhagen
He already beat Munhoz
He already beat Yan
He already beat Cejudo
He already beat TJ
Font lost 3/5
Dom just got KO'd
Umar only has like 4 UFC fights.

Really imo the problem is theY rushed the fight. Should have let Aljo recover a bit and let the division produce a contendor.

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kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

beep by grandpa posted:

The petr yan decision was bullshit but wasn't ultimately up to dana

Even so, the promotion could have accepted the eye test of that fight as a check to O’Malley’s momentum. Their matchmaking and hype has done worse in terms of being arbitrary over decisions. It’s just how Dana operates to ignore calls of robbery and proceed with what is convenient to the plan.

CarlCX
Dec 14, 2003

COPE 27 posted:

Who deserved it more though?

Maybe Vera but wasn't he already booked? And Sean was on a longer win streak.
Merab won't fight him.
He already beat Sandhagen
He already beat Munhoz
He already beat Yan
He already beat Cejudo
He already beat TJ
Font lost 3/5
Dom just got KO'd
Umar only has like 4 UFC fights.

Really imo the problem is theY rushed the fight. Should have let Aljo recover a bit and let the division produce a contendor.

My personal predilection? Sandhagen, easily. Sandhagen's loss to Aljo was less recent than O'Malley's loss to Chito, in the time since he had a coinflip decision against Dillashaw he probably should've won and a loss to Yan that was competitive but clear, and between those he murder-death-killed #1 contender Marlon Moraes, Song Yadong and former champ Frankie Edgar and then cruised all over Chito. If Merab doesn't want to fight, which is perfectly understandable, Sandhagen was way, way more justifiable than O'Malley.

And even failing that, if you want to get a little wibbly with the matchmaking? Go back a few months and book Sterling against Chito. At the turn of the year Chito was on a 4-fight winning streak, had just handed Dominick Cruz the worst loss of his career, had an insane amount of momentum with the fans and, as a bonus, he fuckin' killed O'Malley. You could have booked Aljo vs Chito for the Spring or Summer and no one would've batted an eye at it. Pulling Cejudo out of mothballs for some reason was a comparatively baffling choice, and in the time it took to get that done they fed Chito to Sandhagen.

Hell, if they were really hellbent on bringing Cejudo back, they could have done Sterling vs Chito or Sandhagen while they also ran Cejudo vs Yan or O'Malley. That would have either teed Cejudo up for a crack at the belt, rehabbed Yan back into contendership, or wholly justified O'Malley's contendership.

But doing none of those things and just sitting out until they could book this match got them everything they wanted and probably made more money, so I am, to be clear, wholly aware I am mad about divisional structure the UFC super, duper does not give a gently caress about.

Lucasar
Jan 25, 2005

save a few for lefty too
O'Malley is enormous for the weight class. Reminds me of Conor at FtW and Pereira at MW; being a striking specialist with dubious grappling chops who uses being entirely too large as a defense against wrestlers. Stupid hypothetical, but it O'Malley misses weight by a single pound the way Oliveira did, will Dana strip him of the title?

Also I, for one, think Merab could be marketable in the Khabib mould as a poo poo talking bad rear end wrestler from the caucasus.

Merab vs O'Malley has a Khabib vs Conor vibe that they could definitely play up.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Merab, like many people whose name ends in -shvili, is from Georgia.
e: awww man, taking informational Ls all week -- I didn't consider Georgia to be in the Caucasus, even though it's north of Armenia.

cagliostr0
Jun 8, 2020

beep by grandpa posted:

Thanks for the wonderful answers, this is truly the best and most knowledgeable group of posters out there :c00l:

It did make me realize right away that, and if you re-read my question in this context that before I read these posts I was extremely narrowly defining "Dana White privilege" as simply work towards a title shot and nothing else. I think that's cause that's how how I defined it in my head when I first heard Tony Ferguson(?) coin the term. But yeah all the other variables- promotion, PPV priority, etc really affects a fighter's ability to earn a living and pick up fights, not just how close they get to the belt. Good poo poo in here as always. That said, I am kind of a little happy for Sean O'Malley cause he definitely proved everybody wrong including myself who thought he didn't stand a chance out there to stand with Aljo, who's looked pretty much invincible other than the Petr fights.

He also barely beat cejudo and took away longer than he should have to beat tj. Aside from Carla Esparza he's probably the least convincing champion we have had in a while. Probably since bisping

Brut
Aug 21, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 11 days!

cagliostr0 posted:

Aside from Carla Esparza he's probably the least convincing champion we have had in a while. Probably since bisping

Including LHW?

Digital Jedi
May 28, 2007

Fallen Rib

cagliostr0 posted:

Aside from Carla Esparza he's probably the least convincing champion we have had in a while. Probably since bisping

This is GDR slander or Nico Montano slander
Given anyone even remembers them and their reign


Which I think brings a point I've had in discussion elsewhere regarding champs. I think for us in the bubble that now only follow but know much of the history there is a different criteria compared to the general public.

Like I bet most causuals coudln't name GDR or Montano as champs so they don't even have a view on them.

Digital Jedi fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Aug 21, 2023

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


That's actually the most granular distinction or the finest line between casual and hardcore: can you name GDR and Nicco as champs.

Keptbroom
Sep 10, 2009
I legit forgot about Montano

She was supposed to face Sijara Eubanks for the Woman's Flyweight title in the winners final for TUF 26, however Eubanks was replaced on the day of the weigh-ins due to weight cut issues by Roxanne Modafferi (Eubanks having defeated Modafferi in the semi-finals).
After winning the title she was scheduled to face Valentina Schevchenko but was transported to hospital during weight cuts and subsequently stripped of the title.

This is her full post TUF career:


I'm not really surprised I forgot about her.


GDR won the 145 title, saw Cyborg waiting in the wings and said gently caress that, dropped the title and went back to 135.

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

Every time I click on this thread I think it's the Derrick Lewis thread, and honestly not a bad thing

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Keptbroom posted:

I legit forgot about Montano

She was supposed to face Sijara Eubanks for the Woman's Flyweight title in the winners final for TUF 26, however Eubanks was replaced on the day of the weigh-ins due to weight cut issues by Roxanne Modafferi (Eubanks having defeated Modafferi in the semi-finals).
After winning the title she was scheduled to face Valentina Schevchenko but was transported to hospital during weight cuts and subsequently stripped of the title.

This is her full post TUF career:


I'm not really surprised I forgot about her.


GDR won the 145 title, saw Cyborg waiting in the wings and said gently caress that, dropped the title and went back to 135.

Montano also went on a tirade about how she would make Shevchenko pay for her disrespect and thats a giant lol.

Brut
Aug 21, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 11 days!
GDR beat everyone UFC put in front of her not named Amanda Nunes so I think she deserves a bit more respect than Montano in terms of her fighting ability.

beep by grandpa posted:

Every time I click on this thread I think it's the Derrick Lewis thread, and honestly not a bad thing
It is :hai:.

Tom Clancy is Dead
Jul 13, 2011

cagliostr0 posted:

He also barely beat cejudo and took away longer than he should have to beat tj. Aside from Carla Esparza he's probably the least convincing champion we have had in a while. Probably since bisping

OTOH he beat a who's who of BW top 10 contenders on his way up. His championship reign wasn't very convincing but he's easily one of the most accomplished of the recent crop of champions when it comes to overall wins.

DO YALL WANT A BOXC
Jul 20, 2010

HAHA! WOOOOOOO WOOO!
Fun Shoe
Bantamweight has an incredibly strange history in the UFC/WEC.

Miguel Torres was the first guy to win it and defend it multiple times, but he got KOed to lose it and then bounced around for a couple of years before going to the B and then Z leagues. Lot of mileage on him. Went from being 37-1 to losing to someone named Pablo Alfonso in four years.

Brian Bowles, who (I mean this lovingly and respectfully) has the most "been in gay porn" look of anyone who's fought in the UFC (even more than that one TUF guy who was literally in gay porn), KOed Torres to win it, then immediately lost to Dominick Cruz after getting mostly beat up for two rounds. But it was a doctor stoppage due to Bowles breaking his hand. He was out of fighting three years later after popping for testosterone.

Cruz we all know had a very exciting fighting style that people said was THE FUTURE, but his legs were so repulsed at the thought of needing to do that for the next ten years that they repeatedly broke in every possible way. He lasted two fights while remaining a "if he was healthy..." ghost that hovered over the division.

Renan Barao started his career 32-1 and was incredibly exciting and quick, like a mini Jose Aldo from the same camp. He was also THE FUTURE, with great striking, a great gas tank, and great takedown defense. He beat erstwhile uncrowned champ Urijah Faber twice, including finishing him, but then fought Dillashaw at the height of his juicing-and-Duane-Ludwig powers. Dillashaw beat the absolute poo poo out of him twice and made Barao look like a b-league can, and Barao then did his best BJ Penn impersonation and lost to guys like, uh, Luke Sanders. And Andre Ewell. And Brian Kelleher over the next 5 years.

Dillashaw was promptly regarded as THE FUTURE, with Duane Ludwig seemingly having figured out how to take the roids, wrestling, homoeroticism, athleticism, and striking power of a Team Alpha Male athlete and give them striking technique, strategy, and gameplanning. As mentioned, he beat the poo poo out of Renan Barao, then was supposed to fight Barao again but Barao had to go the hospital because of his weight cutting and so instead hosed up Joe Soto on a day's notice. Then he fought Barao again and hosed him up. He then fought Dominick Cruz, fresh off getting a genocide's worth of cadaver ligaments surgically implanted into every part of his legs. Cruz of course beat him in a razor-thin decision that a lot of people disagreed with. The media scores were 12-10 Cruz with one draw, lol.

The UFC, giving Cruz some Dana White privilege, treated this as a dominating win for Cruz, mainly because they wanted to give Urijah Faber another crack at the title, since he and Cruz were 1-1 and Faber was the biggest star at Bantamweight. Cruz won a clear but close decision, more clearly than his Dillashaw win but not as clearly as you would want to end a trilogy. Cruz would then get matched up against Cody Garbrandt and everyone thought this would be more of the same--another Team Alpha Male fighter trying to take out camp enemy Cruz, but of course Cody Garbrandt, one of the p4p dumbest fighters in combat sports, somehow figured out the insane cerebral footwork and pacing of Cruz and easily smoked him.

Garbrandt was promptly regarded as THE FUTURE--a man who was so dumb that he couldn't be bamboozled by more advanced fighters. At 11-0 and seemingly the final form of a Team Alpha Male fighter, even incorporating unintentional verbal homoeroticism, who knew how long he could reign? So of course he immediately got KOed in back to back fights by juiced up viper TJ Dillashaw.

Dillashaw was now king of the world again and back to being THE FUTURE. He was sponsored by a gym. His heat with Garbrandt made him marketable. He was seeing everyone else try for double championships, so despite beating only two different guys twice (and Joe Soto) in BW championship fights, he decided to drop down and fight Henry Cejudo at flyweight, who himself had just won a razor-thin coulda-gone-either-way decision (the media scores were 13-12 Cejudo) against one of the MMA GOATs in Mighty Mouse and had not defended the Flyweight belt against anyone in his division. Cejudo promptly knocked Dillashaw out in 32 seconds and said "I'm coming up to Bantamweight to get that belt!". And then Dillashaw popped for EPO (a sick rear end drug for fighting) and got stripped of his Bantamweight belt, too.

The UFC allowed Cejudo to challenge anyway, pitting him against Marlon Moraes, an import from the b-leagues that had lost a split, won a split, then had three straight first-round finishes (including against Aljamain Sterling). Could Moraes be THE FUTURE? No. Cejudo beat him so bad that Moraes has lost every fight since, including most recently to a Wikipedia-less fighter in the PFL named Gabriel Alves Braga. He technically won against Jose Aldo immediately after, but IIRC that was a robbery. I could be wrong about that, but either way he got knocked out 4 straight times right after and then cut out of the UFC after.

So now Cejudo was THE FUTURE, a triple champ counting his gold medal in wrestling. So of course he beat eternal divisional ghost Dominick Cruz, actually managing to finish him (in a finish Cruz immediately disputed) and then promptly retired for three years.

The UFC, seeing the strength of the division, pitted Petr Yan against Jose Aldo, who was coming off of one loss against Moraes (as mentioned that he probably actually won) and one clear loss at featherweight against Volkanovski. Despite all that, it was seen as a pretty good matchup. Everyone likes Aldo, he's moving down in weight, and despite having a lot of mileage, he had only really cleanly lost to Conor, Max Holloway (who was torching everyone at the time), and Volkanovski, who was a very strong up-and-comer. Yan of course proceeded to gently caress Aldo up and finish him, moving him to 15-1 with victories over longtime should-be champ Urijah Faber and one of the inarguable GOATs in Jose Aldo. Finally...we had someone who was actually THE FUTURE, with his dizzying display of power, cardio, Russian steroids, and wrestling.

Petr Yan immediately started his reign by losing a fight he was winning by kneeing Aljamain Sterling so hard and so illegally that he lost his title. Which I think was the first and still only time that happened in a title fight? Yan then followed it up by winning an interim title against Cory Sandhagen but then immediately losing it in the Aljamain rematch in a close but probably right decision. The media had it 11 Sterling, 5 draw, 2 Yan. Dana White thought that Yan had won. Yan proceeded to lose another fight that he thought (and probably actually this time) won against Sean O'Malley, then got dominated by Merab.

Aljamain quieted some of the haters with the Yan rematch, but it still was a split decision. No one really thought he was THE FUTURE, but people thought he'd still be a good style matchup for most of the division, as he was big and a great grappler with finishing skills. So of course the UFC matched him up with TJ Dillashaw, fresh off a two year suspension for roids and a very close split over Cory Sandhagen. This was a pretty good matchup, as Dillashaw was still technically the Lineal champ of the division, and he was a Team Alpha Male guy coming up, so a lot of people thought TJ would be able to stuff the takedowns and gently caress up Aljo on the feet. Unfortunately, one of his shoulders was not connected to the rest of his body for any of the time leading up to the fight, and he lasted about 5 seconds in the fight before his shoulder was like a wet noodle. Aljo very easily finished him and we all considered the futility of filing a consumer complaint against the UFC for somehow allowing Dillashaw to compete with one arm. I'm amazing the betting markets didn't have more to say about that. Or maybe the right people made a lot of money. Aljo then fought Cejudo and beat him in a correct-but-very-close 48-47 split decision. But most people saw it as correct-but-very-close, and with the division's three strongest wrestlers out of the way in Yan/Dillashaw/Cejudo, and the 4th in Merab being unwilling to fight him due to them being teammates and friends, he was set for a long reign just even on stylistic matchups. Was he, in fact, THE FUTURE?

Nope, he got smoked in two rounds by Sean O'Malley. And now Aljo's leaving the division. O'Malley got definite Dana White Privilege in his run to the title, but he did look good against Yan at least. He didn't look great against Munhoz, but the UFC treated that as a win, but everyone else he fought, he smoked. Except for Chito Vera, who is stylistically a good matchup for him. But Vera hosed up his leg with a kick and gave O'Malley drop foot and TKOed him. With his takedown defense, mic skills, incredible striking, footwork, and media presence, he's the most popular bantamweight champ ever already, even surpassing Faber. He has a chance to break into the mainstream in a way not seen since Conor or Rousey or Khabib.

Unfortunately, he's a hilariously bad style matchup for the next big contender in Merab, so the UFC is currently praying to God that Merab will accept a fight against Sandhagen so that Sandhagen can hopefully beat Merab. I don't think the Chito Vera rematch or Sandhagen are easy matchups for Sean, so he's THE FUTURE for now. But given history, he's probably going to defend once, go fight Gervonta Davis, lose all his MMA skills like Conor, and come back and lose a close unfulfilling split decision to like Song Yadong or something in three years. And on this thing of ours rolls.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
That was like reading a short Carl post if you first made him snort crushed Essence of Manyak

Tom Clancy is Dead
Jul 13, 2011

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

He technically won against Jose Aldo immediately after, but IIRC that was a robbery. I could be wrong about that, but either way he got knocked out 4 straight times right after and then cut out of the UFC after.

FWIW, it was a close fight but the media had it 50-50. I also think it would've been a close but clear win for Moraes except for the love of Aldo and seeing him perform better than expected at BW. I remember being convinced he'd lose when the Yan fight was announced because while he body punched Moraes like vintage championship Aldo he was the one who slowed down the stretch in the 3rd.

double negative
Jul 7, 2003


In case you thought we'd ever be free of Holly Holm

https://twitter.com/aaronbronsteter/status/1693748257011212646?s=46&t=867_eUfBHc51kCamR3KCuA

DO YALL WANT A BOXC
Jul 20, 2010

HAHA! WOOOOOOO WOOO!
Fun Shoe

Shumagorath posted:

That was like reading a short Carl post if you first made him snort crushed Essence of Manyak

i try and crank out a "what if Carl had 70IQ" post every so often. appreciate it brother

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

FWIW, it was a close fight but the media had it 50-50. I also think it would've been a close but clear win for Moraes except for the love of Aldo and seeing him perform better than expected at BW. I remember being convinced he'd lose when the Yan fight was announced because while he body punched Moraes like vintage championship Aldo he was the one who slowed down the stretch in the 3rd.

Yeah. I'm probably biasing it in my own mind because Aldo looked competitive until the end of his career but Moraes just started getting starched, so he had that thing of "how was this guy ever that much of a favorite?". Same thing happened to BJ Penn and now Chris Weidman, despite them both of them being favored maybe every other divisional GOAT contender in a hypothetical "prime vs. prime" matchup IMO.

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"
:siren: we got wednesday fights and it ain't invicta

PFL Playoffs

PFL’s final playoff card is here, so let’s get excited for Hot Hitting Tournament Action!

Of course, first, we must review the prelims.

There’s a guy who lost to a 2-10 dude taking on John “The Don” Caldone. There is a man called David “DZ Machine” Zelner, who, solely on merit of his nickname alone, I hope he gets pummeled mercilessly. “Brave” Abby Montes is taking on Michelle “The Wild One” Montague in what is guaranteed to be a mixed martial arts contest. Mostafa Rasheed Neda is fighting for the first time since 2019 as he takes on Korey Kuppe, who, despite having his Foundation Style on Tapology listed as “Sport Karate” has 9 wins by submission compared to just 2 by TKO.

Prelim analysis: Probably gonna be pretty bad.

On the main card, we can’t go directly into tournament bouts, that would be silly. We’ve got to further indulge Muhammed Ali’s grandson, as Biaggio Ali Walsh has yet another amateur bout as he takes on Ed Davis. Fun Ed Davis fact: he competed at an event called Banger in Bangor.

In the Welterweight playoffs, join me in gnashing teeth and rending garments to shreds. We have been robbed of the Great Magomed Fight of 2023. Magomed Umalatov had to withdraw from his scheduled bout with Magomed Magomedkerimov, leaving the entire season worthless. Instead, Magomedkerimov faces Solomon Renfro. Magomed went 2-0 in the PFL regular season, winning both bouts by first round KO. Renfro had one bout in the regular season, winning by second round TKO.

On the other side of the 170 lb bracket, Carlos Leal faces Sadibou “The Swedish Denzel” Sy in a rematch of last year’s playoffs. Leal won both of his regular season bouts by TKO, one in the first and one in the second round. Sy, last year’s champ, and riding a 6-fight PFL win streak, also went 2-0 in 2023 regular season action, netting second and third round TKO finishes.

The Lightweight bracket sees last year’s winner, Olivier Aubin-Mercier take on Bruno Miranda. OAM is on an eight fight win streak in PFL, including a third round TKO in his last regular season bout of 2023 that got him the number two spot. Miranda is on a 7-fight streak of his own, but his two PFL bouts for 2023 ended in decision wins.

The final bout of the playoffs sees number one seed “Cassius” Clay Collard take on “Hurricane” Shane Burgos. Collard went 2-0 in 2023, including a second round TKO over Stevie Ray. Burgos went 1-1 in 2023, winning his final regular season bout by decision, and lucking into the playoffs because Natan Schulte and Raush Manfio didn’t try to kill each other enough, disqualifying both from playoff contention, because that’s apparently a thing PFL can do.

Main card assessment: Should be pretty good!

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
This whole period was such a rich vein of excellent fights and incredible memes.
JaySB (a Vegas regular) would post inside scoop stuff about Cody's personal life's effect on his mental state, though in that period he always seemed to be fine in terms of gameplan and chin.

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

Renan Barao started his career 32-1 and was incredibly exciting and quick, like a mini Jose Aldo from the same camp. He was also THE FUTURE, with great striking, a great gas tank, and great takedown defense. He beat erstwhile uncrowned champ Urijah Faber twice, including finishing him, but then fought Dillashaw at the height of his juicing-and-Duane-Ludwig powers. Dillashaw beat the absolute poo poo out of him twice and made Barao look like a b-league can, and Barao then did his best BJ Penn impersonation and lost to guys like, uh, Luke Sanders. And Andre Ewell. And Brian Kelleher over the next 5 years.

Dillashaw was promptly regarded as THE FUTURE, with Duane Ludwig seemingly having figured out how to take the roids, wrestling, homoeroticism, athleticism, and striking power of a Team Alpha Male athlete and give them striking technique, strategy, and gameplanning. As mentioned, he beat the poo poo out of Renan Barao, then was supposed to fight Barao again but Barao had to go the hospital because of his weight cutting and so instead hosed up Joe Soto on a day's notice. Then he fought Barao again and hosed him up. He then fought Dominick Cruz, fresh off getting a genocide's worth of cadaver ligaments surgically implanted into every part of his legs. Cruz of course beat him in a razor-thin decision that a lot of people disagreed with. The media scores were 12-10 Cruz with one draw, lol.

The UFC, giving Cruz some Dana White privilege, treated this as a dominating win for Cruz, mainly because they wanted to give Urijah Faber another crack at the title, since he and Cruz were 1-1 and Faber was the biggest star at Bantamweight. Cruz won a clear but close decision, more clearly than his Dillashaw win but not as clearly as you would want to end a trilogy. Cruz would then get matched up against Cody Garbrandt and everyone thought this would be more of the same--another Team Alpha Male fighter trying to take out camp enemy Cruz, but of course Cody Garbrandt, one of the p4p dumbest fighters in combat sports, somehow figured out the insane cerebral footwork and pacing of Cruz and easily smoked him.

Garbrandt was promptly regarded as THE FUTURE--a man who was so dumb that he couldn't be bamboozled by more advanced fighters. At 11-0 and seemingly the final form of a Team Alpha Male fighter, even incorporating unintentional verbal homoeroticism, who knew how long he could reign? So of course he immediately got KOed in back to back fights by juiced up viper TJ Dillashaw.

Dillashaw was now king of the world again and back to being THE FUTURE. He was sponsored by a gym. His heat with Garbrandt made him marketable. He was seeing everyone else try for double championships, so despite beating only two different guys twice (and Joe Soto) in BW championship fights, he decided to drop down and fight Henry Cejudo at flyweight, who himself had just won a razor-thin coulda-gone-either-way decision (the media scores were 13-12 Cejudo) against one of the MMA GOATs in Mighty Mouse and had not defended the Flyweight belt against anyone in his division. Cejudo promptly knocked Dillashaw out in 32 seconds and said "I'm coming up to Bantamweight to get that belt!". And then Dillashaw popped for EPO (a sick rear end drug for fighting) and got stripped of his Bantamweight belt, too.

The UFC allowed Cejudo to challenge anyway, pitting him against Marlon Moraes, an import from the b-leagues that had lost a split, won a split, then had three straight first-round finishes (including against Aljamain Sterling). Could Moraes be THE FUTURE? No. Cejudo beat him so bad that Moraes has lost every fight since, including most recently to a Wikipedia-less fighter in the PFL named Gabriel Alves Braga. He technically won against Jose Aldo immediately after, but IIRC that was a robbery. I could be wrong about that, but either way he got knocked out 4 straight times right after and then cut out of the UFC after.

So now Cejudo was THE FUTURE, a triple champ counting his gold medal in wrestling. So of course he beat eternal divisional ghost Dominick Cruz, actually managing to finish him (in a finish Cruz immediately disputed) and then promptly retired for three years.

Scapegoat
Sep 18, 2004
So why is Merab going to be able to close the distance unlike Stirling against O'Malley? Is how they get their takedowns significantly differant? Or is more a 9/10 times Aljo wins when he doesn't throw caution to the wind.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?
There's a Derrick Lewis thread?

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
The discussion about suplexes in the feedback thread got me down a rabbit hole. I stumbled across this video and had to share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEJxVOL5Qy8

The full fight is available if you want to watch this spread out over fifteen minutes. IIRC, Trujillo talked some trash in the leadup to the fight saying that he was a college wrestler for four years and that Khabib couldn't outwrestle him. Khabib, in turn, didn't really even try to fight him. He just ragdolls him for almost fifteen minutes straight. He even gets two more takedowns in the last 10 seconds of the fight just to hammer down who is the better wrestler.

ilmucche posted:

There's a Derrick Lewis thread?

You're posting in it, friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ZW4389EeM

beep by grandpa
May 5, 2004

ilmucche posted:

There's a Derrick Lewis thread?

Just noticed how my phone formats the thread title on the app looool

Only registered members can see post attachments!

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Merab wins because he's a concrete headed pressure fighter with an infinite gas tank who won't give O'Malley the space to work his rangy counters. It'll look like Khabib v Conor.

LobsterMobster
Oct 29, 2009

"I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

"Walter Foxx is ten times brighter than your bulb at the bottom of the tree merry xmas"
Apparently there is a new stipulation in UFC contracts that says UFC gets a cut from any business ventures the fighters undertake on their own

https://twitter.com/erikmagraken/status/1694002486896676919?t=CaKMr2nEm2BvfP3o6z-ZQw&s=19

SEEMS REAL FUCKIN BAD, MAN

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
It's too bad that fighters are too dumb and too tied to the income to collectivize and go on strike.

Tweak
Jul 28, 2003

or dont whatever








That's a classic Vinnie Mac move

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

jesus loving christ i hope the winter hill gang reforms solely to find dana white and whip his rear end for doing mobster poo poo on their watch

DO YALL WANT A BOXC
Jul 20, 2010

HAHA! WOOOOOOO WOOO!
Fun Shoe

Scapegoat posted:

So why is Merab going to be able to close the distance unlike Stirling against O'Malley? Is how they get their takedowns significantly differant? Or is more a 9/10 times Aljo wins when he doesn't throw caution to the wind.

in this case, the height disadvantage for Merab is probably useful. He's a little fuckin hedgehog who stays tighter and more like a little ball of hate coming in. Aljo's bigger and stronger but slower, and it's easier to hit him.

There's a chance that O'Malley-Merab looks like a much faster, higher level version of Conor vs Marcus Brimage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HelivOF6vI8

but even in that, Brimage did hit Conor. Conor just had/has a hell of a chin. O'Malley's chin seemed to be pretty good against Petr Yan, and Merab doesn't have devastating power, so O'Malley will probably be fine with taking a few knocks on the chin to put more focus on takedown defense and landing his own shots. In the above fight, Conor quickly realized that Brimage was doing the tiny-guy-armadillo thing of just tucking his chin and putting up a high guard, so he pivoted into doing a looping uppercut that hosed Brimage up. (Side note: I miss this Conor drat. A true MMA striker.) Brimage also was trying to strike with him and didn't mix in takedowns.

Merab could do the same gameplan and try to stun Sean in the beginning of the fight by forcing him to think about the takedown and then coming over the top with his hands, but that's kinda dangerous. Although having said that...that's kinda what Ray Longo had Matt Serra do in the first GSP fight, and Merab is coached by Serra-Longo. Matt Serra is a great example of how to strike as a hedgehog phenotype, but O'Malley is frankly a much better and more creative striker than GSP was at that time. You can see Serra basically tucking his chin, biting down his mouthpiece, and throwing hooks. GSP doesn't throw any uppercuts or counter knees or anything up the middle where the opening is. He just tries to headkick him and hook and jab him, which doesn't take advantage of the big holes Serra was leaving.

O'Malley has kind of a Chuck/Jardine thing going on with the angles of his punches and his timing, and he's also got as good distance control striking as prime Conor, especially against shorter guys. It's a very compelling and dangerous combination, but Chuck had the takedown defense and Conor had the insane striking IQ that allowed him to instantly diagnose how to hit guys. Sean's going to need one of those (or great gameplanning) to get past Merab.

I think the odds on the fight are going to be like 60-40 Merab or 65-35 Merab (well, maybe not given how disproportionately love Sean, but that's probably how the initial line will be set), but I honestly think it's closer to a toss-up. If Sean can identify and land a knee or uppercut, he wins. If he can stop the takedowns and pick Merab apart, he wins. But Merab wins by grabbing a hold of him, surprising with a Matt Serra power hook, or by wearing him down with cardio.

DO YALL WANT A BOXC
Jul 20, 2010

HAHA! WOOOOOOO WOOO!
Fun Shoe

LobsterMobster posted:

Apparently there is a new stipulation in UFC contracts that says UFC gets a cut from any business ventures the fighters undertake on their own

https://twitter.com/erikmagraken/status/1694002486896676919?t=CaKMr2nEm2BvfP3o6z-ZQw&s=19

SEEMS REAL FUCKIN BAD, MAN

insanely vile. it's cool that the Republicans have Dana White and Vince/Linda McMahon and both them + the Democrats have Ari Emanuel. the Ali act was partly intended to expressly forbid this exact kinda poo poo, but Endeavor's literal business now is operating as a promoter + manager across UFC and everything else. considering the only guy in Congress who has appeared to talk about this is Markwayne Mullin and considering the Fertittas no longer own it and so we don't even have the Culinary Union to gently caress with them, I can't imagine we'll have any type of change to this soon.

with how much of a propaganda/free-PR arm of the Republican Party the UFC has been lately, you'd figure at least someone on the left would want to gently caress with them a little. at least an FTC investigation or something, drat. whatever happen to loving with your political enemies, gently caress

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Eat This Glob posted:

jesus loving christ i hope the winter hill gang reforms solely to find dana white and whip his rear end for doing mobster poo poo on their watch
would really enjoy seeing dana get whipped with jai-alai balls

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

LobsterMobster posted:

Apparently there is a new stipulation in UFC contracts that says UFC gets a cut from any business ventures the fighters undertake on their own

https://twitter.com/erikmagraken/status/1694002486896676919?t=CaKMr2nEm2BvfP3o6z-ZQw&s=19

SEEMS REAL FUCKIN BAD, MAN

Now that's antitrust monopoly poo poo

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

gently caress the UFC but also Khabib was pre Rebook deal? My sense of the timeline is all hosed up.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Sweaty IT Nerd posted:

gently caress the UFC but also Khabib was pre Rebook deal? My sense of the timeline is all hosed up.
Pre-Venum, I think. Reebok came around in... 2015?

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Shumagorath posted:

Pre-Venum, I think. Reebok came around in... 2015?

Shoot. I guess I missed some stuff.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

LobsterMobster posted:

Apparently there is a new stipulation in UFC contracts that says UFC gets a cut from any business ventures the fighters undertake on their own

https://twitter.com/erikmagraken/status/1694002486896676919?t=CaKMr2nEm2BvfP3o6z-ZQw&s=19

SEEMS REAL FUCKIN BAD, MAN

jesus christ, dana white attempting to beat mephistopheles in the sales rankings this quarter

blue footed boobie
Sep 14, 2012


UEFA SUPREMACY
Hey posting pals, with all this bad news, I think we could all use some good news’s fortunately, I have some:

Mike Perry is the backup to fight Logan Paul in the likely event that Dillon Danis backs out.

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Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
Mike Perry seems like the kinda guy who would pay $10 for the orange flavour of Prime.

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