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The Question IRL posted:Wow, thanks for this. Most of them should feel bad, except.for the ones that are just calling Trump a piece of poo poo or a rapist - e.g. Nipsey Hussle , The 1975, or DJ Shadow/RTJ.
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Vince is also being investigated by the feds. Birds of a feather.
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Aug 21, 2023 12:42
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Both have daughters who are better at running a business, too. Hmm...
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Aug 21, 2023 12:58
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Ms Adequate posted:A book I used to like as a kid, How To Be A Superhero, was published in like 1990 and advised against asking Donald Trump to sponsor your superhero career (jetpacks and secret bases and the like being very expensive for non-billionaire playboys) because he'd make you rebrand yourself to be Trump-Man who gets to crime scenes in the Trump Mobile and analyses supervillain activity in your Trump HQ on your Trump Supercomputer and stuff. Guy has absolutely been a byword for gaudy, self-aggrandizing megawealth for decades, just like you say. The Back to the Future writers said *at the time* that they based Biff Tannen in BFT II on Trump.
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Aug 21, 2023 13:07
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The Back to the Future writers said *at the time* that they based Biff Tannen in BFT II on Trump. Biff Fucken Tannen II
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Aug 21, 2023 13:09
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Ynglaur posted:Both have daughters who are better at running a business, too. Hmm... And whom they want to gently caress But Vince will die before he even gets a chance to try to run
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Aug 21, 2023 13:18
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SamuraiFoochs posted:I follow sports and huh? Like yes people say that but it's basically always a trope for effect, not literally true. Just FYI. I think you missed the word "Media" in my post. There are like a ton of movies or TV shows where people literally use magic powers to cheat at sports. From having magic shoes, using Flubber or turning themselves into Teen Wolves, sports media is rife with cheating. I was just amazed at how big a subgenre it was. Just like I was amazed at how many singers were talking about being blinging like Trump.
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Aug 21, 2023 13:33
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The Question IRL posted:I think you missed the word "Media" in my post. There are like a ton of movies or TV shows where people literally use magic powers to cheat at sports. No I assumed you meant sports media as in people who cover sports for a living saying poo poo like that about players. 
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Aug 21, 2023 13:37
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BiggerBoat posted:Vince McMahon comes to mind. Trump and McMahon are friends, surprising noone, and Trump did a wrestling plot with him that culminated in a Stone Cold Stunner at Wrestlemania 23 in 2007. But yeah wrestling fans are surprisingly progressive (for sports fans).
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Aug 21, 2023 14:28
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Just like when he blew both his quads, Vince has no legs to stand on 
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Aug 21, 2023 14:31
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Oracle posted:Trump and McMahon are friends, surprising noone, and Trump did a wrestling plot with him that culminated in a Stone Cold Stunner at Wrestlemania 23 in 2007. I don't have the link handy but a few years ago I read a study that indicated pro wrestling fans are/were the most progressive fanbase of any major sport. To no one's surprise, golf was by far the chuddiest. I was pretty surprised and it made me reevaluate a lot of the assumptions I make about wrestling fans being dumb racist hicks or whatever. Turns out they are the most tolerant and cool fanbase out there.
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Aug 21, 2023 14:45
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:I don't have the link handy but a few years ago I read a study that indicated pro wrestling fans are/were the most progressive fanbase of any major sport. To no one's surprise, golf was by far the chuddiest. I was pretty surprised and it made me reevaluate a lot of the assumptions I make about wrestling fans being dumb racist hicks or whatever. Turns out they are the most tolerant and cool fanbase out there. There’s an old joke that goes something like “welcome to leftist twitter, here’s your Bernie shirt, and for some reason your subscription to a wrestling PPV”
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Aug 21, 2023 14:49
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:I don't have the link handy but a few years ago I read a study that indicated pro wrestling fans are/were the most progressive fanbase of any major sport. To no one's surprise, golf was by far the chuddiest. I was pretty surprised and it made me reevaluate a lot of the assumptions I make about wrestling fans being dumb racist hicks or whatever. Turns out they are the most tolerant and cool fanbase out there. I think they got beat by WNBA. Also the percentage of progressive wrestling fans does not mean the entire fanbase is cool, witness SSW heel The Liberal Progressive starting brawls among the fans in 2022 because they pretty much all want to kill him.
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Aug 21, 2023 15:41
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The Back to the Future writers said *at the time* that they based Biff Tannen in BFT II on Trump. When Lex Luthor was rebranded from “Mad Scientist “to “Tyrant Billionaire” in 1986 the comic authors said at the time it was based on Trump.
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Aug 21, 2023 16:59
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Never forget that sesame Street's appearances of Donald Grump started in goddamn 1988.
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Aug 21, 2023 18:02
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:When Lex Luthor was rebranded from “Mad Scientist “to “Tyrant Billionaire” in 1986 the comic authors said at the time it was based on Trump. That businessman was named Henry Trumpsley.
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Aug 21, 2023 18:04
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:When Lex Luthor was rebranded from “Mad Scientist “to “Tyrant Billionaire” in 1986 the comic authors said at the time it was based on Trump.  
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Aug 21, 2023 18:07
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Edge & Christian posted:There was also a Spider-Man comic from 1985 that tied into Secret Wars II (not the one where Spider-Man teaches the Beyonder to poop) where various characters (Luke Cage, etc.) are in conflict with a vain evil landlord/business developer who gets a wish granted by the Beyonder that turns his entire skyscraper in Midtown into solid gold. The building immediately collapses and the influx of gold threatens to destabilize the world economy so various groups conspire to dump the whole building into the ocean before anyone can start selling it, much to the impotent rage of the building's owner. I believe he's namedropped in Teen Titans around this time frame, too. Wonder what he was up to in 1985 that made him so hated by the various comic book writers (reminder that until recently both DC and Marvel offices were located in New York City). edit: ah. quote:1973 federal housing suit Oracle fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Aug 21, 2023 |
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Aug 21, 2023 18:15
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Oracle posted:I believe he's namedropped in Teen Titans around this time frame, too. Wonder what he was up to in 1985 that made him so hated by the various comic book writers (reminder that until recently both DC and Marvel offices were located in New York City). Trump Tower was built in 83 I think? And it was a deeply unpopular project that everyone in New York hated from everything I've ever read.
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Aug 21, 2023 18:21
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:I don't have the link handy but a few years ago I read a study that indicated pro wrestling fans are/were the most progressive fanbase of any major sport. To no one's surprise, golf was by far the chuddiest. I was pretty surprised and it made me reevaluate a lot of the assumptions I make about wrestling fans being dumb racist hicks or whatever. Turns out they are the most tolerant and cool fanbase out there. In fairness that poll was like 15 years ago and was a single poll. It kind of feels like it just gets used to make various sports fans feel better. I haven’t the slightest idea where wrestling fans fall on a political spectrum and I’d guess it varies pretty wildly based on the usual geographics and demographics.
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Aug 21, 2023 18:25
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Try to live your life in such a way that Sesame Street doesn't poo poo all over you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQyTpPu0gvc
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Aug 21, 2023 18:29
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STAC Goat posted:In fairness that poll was like 15 years ago and was a single poll. It kind of feels like it just gets used to make various sports fans feel better. I haven’t the slightest idea where wrestling fans fall on a political spectrum and I’d guess it varies pretty wildly based on the usual geographics and demographics. I would be very interested to have more recent data, as the political world has dramatically shifted since then.
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Aug 21, 2023 18:30
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There was a wrestling storyline in 2007 that had Vince McMahon “die” after his limo exploded. Allegedly, Trump called WWE offices after this aired to see if this was real and if Vince was okay.
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Aug 21, 2023 18:32
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Lager posted:Trump Tower was built in 83 I think? And it was a deeply unpopular project that everyone in New York hated from everything I've ever read. Probably had to do with the fact that he tore down an artful building in the most slapdash, spiteful way possible in order to erect a bland, tacky glass phallus indistinguishable from any other crappy office space building. City institutions even wanted to keep and preserve the art deco reliefs on the front of the building but out of spite and expediency Trump had them jackhammered. Same as he ever was.
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Aug 21, 2023 19:00
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:I would be very interested to have more recent data, as the political world has dramatically shifted since then. It's not quite the same, but the discussion got me Googling and I found this. My primary takeaway is based on this there are some tangible differences in partisan identification amongst the major sports, but it's not anything crazy. Also no data on fun stuff like pro wrestling.
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Aug 21, 2023 19:01
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A lot of the sort of stuff we use to determine stuff like "political leaning" is self selection. Like if you post about wrestling on twitter odds are you'll have assembled a group of like minded people who will make you think "hey, wrestling fans are pretty good." Its like any other polling or the like. If you're looking for something you can probably find it. Also Vince isn't just friends with Trump, his wife was a member of Trump's cabinet and ran one of his super pacs. But Vince is 77 years old, recently was briefly forced out of his company for sexual assault payoffs besides a mountain of previous scandals, and the most high profile public moment he had was basically threatening to beat up Bob Costas for asking basic questions. So I don't think anyone has to worry too much about him running for President. On the other hand I still think his daughter will run for some kind of office.
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STAC Goat posted:A lot of the sort of stuff we use to determine stuff like "political leaning" is self selection. Like if you post about wrestling on twitter odds are you'll have assembled a group of like minded people who will make you think "hey, wrestling fans are pretty good." Its like any other polling or the like. If you're looking for something you can probably find it. Stephanie compared the WWF steroid trials to 9/11 on national TV. Much like her mom, she is going nowhere in politics.
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Trump also had Roy Cohn as his lawyer and mentor. Joe McCarthy’s HUAC lawyer. Donald Trump is directly tied into fringe right wing political movements and organized crime in a personal way and has been for a long time. Add the public television persona from the apprentice (and everything else)… I think he’s unique. Any Trump replacement doesn’t have decades of all these things.
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Aug 21, 2023 19:28
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Trump also had Roy Cohn as his lawyer and mentor. Joe McCarthy’s HUAC lawyer. Yeah, he's also got a long time association with Roger Stone. And what a lot of people don't realize is that Trump teased running for president once already as part of a right wing power game. So he was headed in this direction like 20 years ago. The Apprentice years were either a sidetrack where he went in on celebrity or if you wanna get conspiratorial a long term effort to rebrand his image from the philandering buffoon who was being regularly lampooned into the faux successful businessman he was sold as once he did run. Yeah, he didn't come out of nowhere. They're not gonna just turn Scott Baio into the next Trump. This was a journey and long path to get where we are.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:There was a wrestling storyline in 2007 that had Vince McMahon “die” after his limo exploded. Allegedly, Trump called WWE offices after this aired to see if this was real and if Vince was okay. In fairness, there have been a lot of WWE storylines that after they aired, I would have called to ask "Is Vince okay? I've just seen this Katie Vick feud between Kane and Triple H."
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The fact that this is occurring on page 316 gave me a giggle I needed this morning.
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Trump apparently refused to initially turn himself in to the Georgia DA's office because he was trying to negotiate a surrender with them, but only if they booked him at the same as the Republican debate this week. Georgia said no and his lawyers advised him against refusing to give a surrender date as a negotiating tactic, so he is going to surrender the morning after the debate instead. He is also still negotiating to prevent his weight and mugshot from being released. quote:At the meeting with the Fulton county district attorney, Fani Willis, Trump’s lawyers are expected to negotiate the scope of his surrender, including whether the former president will have his mugshot and weight released. quote:The political team has since recalibrated for a potential surrender on Thursday morning followed by a news conference, which they see as additionally beneficial because it would almost certainly drown out coverage of the debate from the previous night. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/21/donald-trump-republican-debate-fox-news
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what leverage does he have in the negotiations? pink swearing that he won't be a disruptive little poo poo to the process if they meet his demands?
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Please, Donald, refuse to show. Let's find out what happens. It's the only way we can find out!
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:what leverage does he have in the negotiations? pink swearing that he won't be a disruptive little poo poo to the process if they meet his demands? Trump always negotiates the same way - demand whatever he wants for nothing in return. When that doesn't work, threaten the other party. If the other party can't be threatened, agree to some kind of payment in private but never actually pay and never admit to owing anything in public.
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I'm guessing this is some kind of state law in Georgia that all of this is public record, so there absolutely is nothing to negotiate.
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Bail is supposedly set at 200k for him in Georgia but this might be a problem for him: Who am I kidding though.  Don, it'll be fiiiiiiine...
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Trump's bond set at $200,000 in Fulton County election interference casequote:A Fulton County judge has set former President Donald Trump's bond at $200,000 in the district attorney's election interference case. Oh, boy. The potential for revocation of bond seems pretty high.
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