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The Oldest Man posted:It's not covid-specific, but, you know. Yeah I just don't know why change their messaging between last year when they just came out and said it was COVID and now unless it's fallout from the Metallica thing? Anyways I think rolling stone did some investigation and determined that there was actually specific language about covid and not just "any communicable disease." E: quote:Rolling Stone obtained and reviewed a 2020 musician tour contract with one major insurance company, which stipulates that the insurance does not cover any losses from communicable diseases unless an infection is directly the cause of the cancellation or a government authority orders the venue to close — but then further stipulates that “notwithstanding the above, this insurance excludes any loss directly or indirectly arising out of, contributed by, or resulting from Coronavirus (2019-nCoV / Covid-19) or any mutation or variation thereof and/or threat (whether actual or perceived) or fear thereof.” The insurer did not respond to request for comment. Which is just why it's not straightforward that Paramore would postpone multiple shows in 2022 and directly say it's covid to lie about it now. Hard to speculate much more than that either way based on what we can know, but Paramore twitter sure is worked up about it lol. speng31b has issued a correction as of 17:23 on Aug 21, 2023 |
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eXXon posted:https://twitter.com/scottlincicome/status/1693271300460962195 War! Though war may seem a bloody curse It is a blessing in reverse When cannon roar Both rich and poor By danger are united Philosophers make evident The point that I have cited 'Tis war makes equal, as it were The noble and the commoner Thus war improves relations!
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Aug 21, 2023 16:43
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speng31b posted:I mean Hayley hasn't claimed that the cancellation is based on COVID. In fact she said her condition was not contagious. And they have a track record of cancelling shows in the past year and just coming out and directly saying it's because of COVID. So maybe they're lying now because the Metallica case scared people badly enough who have previously been honest about that stuff? Idk. the metallica suit wasn't because any of the band got sick. it was governments shutting down things that caused the cancellation of a lot of tour dates, and this was not a covered peril in their contract. if they had gotten sick, i believe it would have been covered.
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Aug 21, 2023 16:44
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Lib and let die posted:ait with a nuke
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Aug 21, 2023 17:00
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i worked in concerts for 20 years, and show/tour cancellations are up by an absurd amount compared to pre-covid. it went from under 5% of shows being canceled, to 20-30% getting canceled. with the end of year shows getting closer to 50%. the info on why shows get canceled has always been spotty, especially due to health reasons. but there's a big gap in the number of additional shows being canceled due to covid, and the number that admit that it's covid causing the cancellation.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:01
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This is all I have bookmarked for covid + cancer, it's over my head but it seems to say covid makes cancer worse anyway. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167488923001131 ibid has issued a correction as of 17:04 on Aug 21, 2023 |
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Aug 21, 2023 17:02
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Mr. Nice! posted:the metallica suit wasn't because any of the band got sick. it was governments shutting down things that caused the cancellation of a lot of tour dates, and this was not a covered peril in their contract. if they had gotten sick, i believe it would have been covered. You've debated yourself into a corner where you have to say that insurance companies would cover something.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:05
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ibid posted:This is all I have bookmarked for covid + cancer, it's over my head but it seems to say covid makes cancer worse anyway. Yep! quote:Disruption of the TGF-β pathway has been implicated in many human diseases, including solid and hematopoietic tumors. As a potent inhibitor of cell proliferation, TGF-β acts as a tumor suppressor; however in tumor cells, TGF-β loses anti-proliferative response and become an oncogenic factor.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:06
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jetz0r posted:i worked in concerts for 20 years, and show/tour cancellations are up by an absurd amount compared to pre-covid. it went from under 5% of shows being canceled, to 20-30% getting canceled. with the end of year shows getting closer to 50%. It's the same issue as absenteeism in school. A good portion of my extended family and social circle work in education and have for most of their lives, and all I hear is that they've never seen anything like the post-2020 environment. Kids are just out all the time now, nobody knows why, and it gets papered over because schools already didn't have the resources to deal with pre-pandemic absenteeism rates. That's not my scene anymore but the things I've had people tell me about absences definitely don't line up with anything I experienced 10+ years ago.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:19
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eXXon posted:https://twitter.com/scottlincicome/status/1693271300460962195 I've seen a few things like this and I just don't understand the premise. When I was selling food to people, I don't recall any occasions where getting to see a rich guy did anything for me. It's fairly likely that somebody was walking out thinking "wow those broke fucks sure can put food on a plate" at some point, but whether or not they did didn't seem to change much about anyone's situation. I have never made a rich friend while at target. jetz0r posted:i worked in concerts for 20 years, and show/tour cancellations are up by an absurd amount compared to pre-covid. it went from under 5% of shows being canceled, to 20-30% getting canceled. with the end of year shows getting closer to 50%. Yeah I spent a lot of time around live music for a good percentage of my life, and I don't remember cancellations being very common at all. Somebody's lovely van breaking down or something, sure, but big acts cancelling this often definitely feels new.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:19
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Whats the current cdc regs on boosters going into fall? Last one I got was the original bivalent.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:22
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Zerg Mans posted:Whats the current cdc regs on boosters going into fall? Last one I got was the original bivalent. President Joe said everyone should get one I think yesterday? So I think its going to be easy to boost.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:24
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Zerg Mans posted:Whats the current cdc regs on boosters going into fall? Last one I got was the original bivalent. There's supposed to be a new one coming out in the next month-ish, so probably wait for that
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Aug 21, 2023 17:24
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this thread should've gotten its QCS vaccine, smdh
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Aug 21, 2023 17:25
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Zerg Mans posted:Whats the current cdc regs on boosters going into fall? "Wash your hands."
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Aug 21, 2023 17:26
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Paradoxish posted:It's the same issue as absenteeism in school. A good portion of my extended family and social circle work in education and have for most of their lives, and all I hear is that they've never seen anything like the post-2020 environment. Kids are just out all the time now, nobody knows why, and it gets papered over because schools already didn't have the resources to deal with pre-pandemic absenteeism rates. When I was in school you could only miss like 10 days total, excused or not, before it was threatened to hold you back a grade. How are they letting kids move up?
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Aug 21, 2023 17:30
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speng31b posted:
Perhaps they lost a lot of money from doing that last year. In any case, I think we can all agree that there is a lot more newspeak going around. And it is very hard to get actual data on anything anymore. Anyways, getting my colonoscopy prep lined up. The email did say to wear a mask when you show up, lol. We see how this goes.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:30
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Lacrosse posted:When I was in school you could only miss like 10 days total, excused or not, before it was threatened to hold you back a grade. How are they letting kids move up? Just signing the papers anyway rules are fake if you're in charge
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Aug 21, 2023 17:30
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Real Mean Queen posted:There's supposed to be a new one coming out in the next month-ish, so probably wait for that I've heard so little about it. Like what variant is it supposed to train against? When will it be available? Are they going to stagger rollout?
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Aug 21, 2023 17:33
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Oh sorry I forgot that the CDC and FDA are apolitical organizations that Follow The Science and that its impossible that they would change their booster recommendations just because the president told them to. So actually it won't be possible for you to get one unless you're over 60 or immune-compromised.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:33
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speng31b posted:Yeah I just don't know why change their messaging between last year when they just came out and said it was COVID and now unless it's fallout from the Metallica thing? Anyways I think rolling stone did some investigation and determined that there was actually specific language about covid and not just "any communicable disease." It seems the insurance norm is that COVID isn't covered, so a change in insurance or a stern talking to by their accountant would probably do it. I honestly don't particularly care if it is COVID or not, but speculating that the respiratory illness that everyone is getting repeatedly might be the cause of lung illness, doesn't seem particularly ~out there~. That said, if the premise of the thread existing is that people don't do that speculation, then I would urge people to stop doing said speculation. Even if I think that is an asinine rule. As an aside - that doesn't have anything to do with the quoted post, but I found contextually amusing - Paramore participated in Corona Capital 2022.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:35
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https://twitter.com/zalaly/status/1693640539537555921?s=20 this is all good, then, right, assuming that you're rooting for the virus?
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quote:1/ 📣 New from my team in @NatureMedicine more many charts https://nitter.net/zalaly/status/1693640539537555921 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-023-02521-2 https://twitter.com/zalaly/status/1693640539537555921
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Aug 21, 2023 17:40
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lol, beaten 
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Aug 21, 2023 17:41
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Heh, maybe we can just edit the first post on every page to include the upcoming vax info, as best we know it. New Moderna/Pfizer and hopefully Novavax boosters are coming out hopefully within the next 4-6 weeks ("end of september"). They will be monovalent, targeting the XBB.1.5 variant. Hopefully will be available to everyone, although how much insurance will cover and how the uninsured will be able to get them is still unknown. Hopefully they will also be available for children, at least moderna is allowing pediatricians to order them. Maybe want to call your kid's doctor to express interest. The various government agencies seems to be expecting everything to just come together in the next couple weeks with apparently little to no coordination/communication. I'm going to be a little amazed if it actually does.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:42
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:this thread should've gotten its QCS vaccine, smdh Vaccines aren't a cure, sadly.
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speng31b posted:I mean Hayley hasn't claimed that the cancellation is based on COVID. In fact she said her condition was not contagious. And they have a track record of cancelling shows in the past year and just coming out and directly saying it's because of COVID. So maybe they're lying now because the Metallica case scared people badly enough who have previously been honest about that stuff? Idk. you should post in D&D. great potential for you as a moderator there.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:43
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mawarannahr posted:you should post in D&D. great potential for you as a moderator there. Don't encourage self-harm.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:44
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Baddog posted:(..) Yeah, right now it is clearly headed for a clusterfuck. I would not be surprised if the initial goon rush is met with "what vaccine?" and "we don't have that".
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Pingui posted:Yeah, right now it is clearly headed for a clusterfuck. I would not be surprised if the initial goon rush is met with "what vaccine?" and "we don't have that". 80 out of the total 3000 boosters that are asked for nationwide will be from this thread.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:45
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Schmeichy posted:I've heard so little about it. Like what variant is it supposed to train against? When will it be available? Are they going to stagger rollout? Monovalent booster against XBB 1.5, shows good reactivity against the various variants circulating when it was approved, expected to be approved end of September for 12 and up, and nobody knows the plan right now lol what do you think this is a competent organization.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:46
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Baddog posted:The various government agencies seems to be expecting everything to just come together in the next couple weeks with apparently little to no coordination/communication. I'm going to be a little amazed if it actually does. I'm guessing their expectation is that very few people will actually get boosted regardless of what they do so they've preemptively thrown their hands in the air so they can blame other people for the eventual problems that arise from folks not being up to date. Also so they can continue victim blaming unvaxxed folks for the continued death and disability. bobtheconqueror has issued a correction as of 17:51 on Aug 21, 2023 |
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Aug 21, 2023 17:48
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:this thread should've gotten its QCS vaccine, smdh Unless they can point to unresponded to reports, they should stfu.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:50
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The SAD thread is reopened...
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Aug 21, 2023 17:52
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eXXon posted:https://twitter.com/scottlincicome/status/1693271300460962195 https://i.imgur.com/dbt1RY1.mp4
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Aug 21, 2023 17:55
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mawarannahr posted:you should post in D&D. great potential for you as a moderator there. Lol
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Lacrosse posted:When I was in school you could only miss like 10 days total, excused or not, before it was threatened to hold you back a grade. How are they letting kids move up? Truancy enforcement is pretty fuzzy. I was chronically absent in high school, but I got through just fine despite a lot of meetings and threats. When I worked in IT for my city's school district the top truant officer (and also the guy who used to threaten my parents lmao) for the district had the office next to mine and we'd talk a lot, but the bottom line is that there weren't resources to pursue most truancy issues and they were mostly only interested in cases where they seemed to be some other underlying delinquency or abuse issues. For CT, the rule is 4 unexcused days in a month or 10 unexcused days in a year will get you a visit, but "unexcused" pulls a lot of weight. If the parents know about the absences, the kid seems to be legitimately sick, and there's no evidence that the kid is just running off instead of staying home, then things will probably be fine. I'm guessing with absenteeism way up there's a lot less verification and a lot more rubber stamping happening.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:56
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Zerg Mans posted:Whats the current cdc regs on boosters going into fall? Last one I got was the original bivalent. Schmeichy posted:I've heard so little about it. Like what variant is it supposed to train against? When will it be available? Are they going to stagger rollout? Just so you two see it: Baddog posted:Heh, maybe we can just edit the first post on every page to include the upcoming vax info, as best we know it.
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Aug 21, 2023 17:57
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and presumably the last loving thing the people in charge of the budgets want is more kids in the school system for longer, holding kids back hasn't been much of a thing anymore for quite a while, and that seems even less likely to change now
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In districts with performance-based pay, retaining students also carries a material penalty for the teacher.
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