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The whole "try that in a small town" gimmick makes me wish there were some leftists that did just that- peacefully protested in small towns while blocced up just to record the reaction. Because it seems like it would be win win either chuds whine and do nothing (making them look weak) or grossly overreact (getting them in trouble). I know with a lot of partisan skirmishes it often feels like a mutual game of "I'm not touching you!" which seems to come down to whoever blinks first or something. But I'm curious if these MAGA types are more or less hesitant to actually commit based on past events. Also, thanks to Try that in a Small Town and Rich Men North of Richmond I am anticipating a huge glut of "grievance country" songs that try to catch lightning in a bottle only to become more unhinged and uncreative than the last.
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^ wouldn't surprise me if these songs are just a warm up, to see how far they can turn the 'racism' dial to get songs to top the charts.OneEightHundred posted:"You may agree or disagree with him but you have to respect the passion of this hard-working man who is very upset with welfare queens and Epstein's island." Any chance the song had to grab me was lost when it punched down. Sure, the drat the man message is a message we all can get behind. It's tried and true, it's not the first kind of song like this, and it certainly won't be the last. But punching down is something that shouldn't work on entertainment. However, nowadays it's a message that resonates with conservatives. I think bitching about folks on welfare was the only reason why the song got viral the way it did. He is certainly a right wing plant, but oddly enough he doesn't seem to be in much of a hurry to embrace his overnight success. https://variety.com/2023/music/news/oliver-anthony-responds-industry-offers-rich-men-north-richmond-1235699012/ Armitage fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Aug 19, 2023 |
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Armitage posted:
If I had to guess he's trying to do a Chris Pratt and try very hard to avoid the "conservative entertainer" label
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Panfilo posted:The whole "try that in a small town" gimmick makes me wish there were some leftists that did just that- peacefully protested in small towns while blocced up just to record the reaction. Because it seems like it would be win win either chuds whine and do nothing (making them look weak) or grossly overreact (getting them in trouble). This guy tried that in a small town a few years back. Nasty words aplenty, but they certainly didn't send out the lynch mob. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltmlvk9GAto
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Aug 19, 2023 20:07
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What about people who “tried that” at the U.S. Capitol?
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Zwabu posted:What about people who “tried that” at the U.S. Capitol? Admittedly they've been going to jail finally, but I still haven't given up my anger at the comparison of the wall of live ammunition on free fire that a BLM protest that stormed the capitol would have received.
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Armitage posted:He is certainly a right wing plant, but oddly enough he doesn't seem to be in much of a hurry to embrace his overnight success. Panfilo posted:Also, thanks to Try that in a Small Town and Rich Men North of Richmond I am anticipating a huge glut of "grievance country" songs that try to catch lightning in a bottle only to become more unhinged and uncreative than the last.
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Panfilo posted:Also, thanks to Try that in a Small Town and Rich Men North of Richmond I am anticipating a huge glut of "grievance country" songs that try to catch lightning in a bottle only to become more unhinged and uncreative than the last.
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Grievance country has already kinda been a thing. There was this song by the ginger beard man, and the Kid Rock stuff if you count that as country. Before any of that there was Aaron Lewis (who you may know as the lead singer of Staind) singing a song lamenting the removal of Confederate monuments even though he's from Vermont.
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emSparkly posted:Before any of that there was Aaron Lewis (who you may know as the lead singer of Staind) singing a song lamenting the removal of Confederate monuments even though he's from Vermont. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKcUOUYzDXA
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emSparkly posted:Grievance country has already kinda been a thing. There was this song by the ginger beard man, and the Kid Rock stuff if you count that as country. Before any of that there was Aaron Lewis (who you may know as the lead singer of Staind) singing a song lamenting the removal of Confederate monuments even though he's from Vermont. What was that 9/11 one where the guy promised to break his boot off in your rear end?
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I AM GRANDO posted:What was that 9/11 one where the guy promised to break his boot off in your rear end? Oh man I somehow forgot about that one. No the one I mentioned was way more recent. The boot in your rear end one was Toby Keith.
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BiggerBoat posted:I thought it was more to do with the process of gathering them all up and delivering them to the ballot counters all at once. Or, in some cases, things like voter drives where they'll get a bunch of churchgoers or senior citizens to mark up their ballots and take them in to be counted. There's nothing diabolical or illegal about it. Republicans are just pissed that Trump and his RWM mouthpieces told everyone that the only sure way their vote could remain sacred is to show up on election day like GOd intended for real patriots. There's a lot of shapes it can take. By the most literal definition, postal workers drive around through neighborhoods harvesting ballots that are placed in mailboxes. When I did volunteer work for campaigns, one thing we'd do is call up people who had received ballots, were likely Dem voters, had not mailed in their ballot yet (but was late enough that the post office might not deliver in time) and had missed one or more elections in the past few years. We'd call and say "We have volunteers in your area, if your ballot is all filled out, signed and sealed, we can have someone swing by your house and hand-deliver it to the counting office." It's an easy way to get hundreds of votes from people who sincerely want to vote, but just have a hard time getting their poo poo together. I appreciate that as someone with ADHD. Too bad it's now a felony.
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This is kind of thread related, so I was hoping for some advice. I have a chud-cousin who lives in the the Redding area of Northern California. It's a bright red spot in the state, and I know my cousin is a right-leaning media consumer. I posted this story with the comment about how interesting it was that this woman was moving to Italy to reconnect with the roots of the slave-owner who raped her great great grandmother and created her lineage. And my cousin's comment was "says nothing about rape. Just relative took the name while in slavery." Do I bother? I guess she thinks the woman's great great grandmother had some sort of agency and freedom, but how else did the slave-owner become her great great grandfather? Do y'all have any links I could respond with? She has been open to engaging in conversation before, so I don't feel she's a lost cause. I'm trying to be accurate and delicate at the same time. Fyi the section I was referring to: quote:Nadine sees the move as a way to connect with her heritage as her great-great-grandfather moved to America from Italy in the 19th century.
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Literally all sex between slaves and their owners should be considered rape. They weren't exactly in a position where they could say no.
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Yeah, I don’t think anyone who dismisses the rape of slaves by their captors can be corrected through the analysis of evidence alone. You’re going to hear a lot about “the good slave owners” and maybe some things about how slavery was good for black Americans by giving them a situation where families stayed together and where they had community and learned a trade. No, don’t ask about how that makes no sense, because only the bad slave owners did whatever bad things you’re thinking of. It’s never about the factual accuracy of a specific claim. You’ll be attacking a (for them) load-bearing assumption about the nature of reality.
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emSparkly posted:Grievance country has already kinda been a thing. There was this song by the ginger beard man, and the Kid Rock stuff if you count that as country. buddy, I don't even count it as music
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"Rape" to reactionaries is a lot like "Racism" in that they will define it by a razor thin breadth and pretzeled in way that only their convictions can properly define what is and isn't rape /racism/etc. So when #MeToo was taking off the victims got dismissed as clout chasing. This idea that women have nothing better to do than get into consentual sexual relationships only to later say actually they were raped because they're such greedy opportunistic narcissists. Yet when it comes to Joe Biden, he's definitely rapey McRapeFace to them. Similarly they started making a lot of noise about Epstein Island when they were previously ambivalent about similar abuses of power. Their definition of rape is so hyper convoluted and contradictory that you're never going to get them to concede about things like the nuances of consent, acting under duress, etc. Looping back to slavery, you then have a situation where people are going to try to bring up evidence that the marriage/union was consentual based on, uh, maybe say a bunch of happy letters by the person writing about how they are head over heels or whatever. To try to downplay the abuse of course. But looking at it even in the most generous of takes, you have a situation where even if the slave is happy with the union, they're still acting out of duress-after all, what's the alternative? Stay a slave?
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These people think a wife is the property of her husband so your appeal to the personhood of a slave is not going to compute.
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Panfilo posted:So when #MeToo was taking off the victims got dismissed as clout chasing. This idea that women have nothing better to do than get into consentual sexual relationships only to later say actually they were raped because they're such greedy opportunistic narcissists. Yet when it comes to Joe Biden, he's definitely rapey McRapeFace to them. Similarly they started making a lot of noise about Epstein Island when they were previously ambivalent about similar abuses of power. Their definition of rape is so hyper convoluted and contradictory that you're never going to get them to concede about things like the nuances of consent, acting under duress, etc. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Havent heard much of that lady who claimed Joe molested her but then defected to Russia. Wonder how that worked out for her. e: Tara Reade, nothing on her since May when she defected. OgNar fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Aug 21, 2023 |
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Professor Beetus posted:The amount of telephone to produce "Taylor Swift posted on 4chan" is a Mumbai switchboard Internet slueth Justin Whang has a video doing a breakdown of the theory. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrfMvvADRI4
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OgNar posted:Havent heard much of that lady who claimed Joe molested her but then defected to Russia. She's now running a podcast and making RT appearances on behalf of "RE:Union", an entity existing primarily on social media that is apparently hosting an event in Serbia in October and for some reason has RT contributors giving all its public statements. https://reunion-forum.info/ quote:Our forum unites movements that disagree with the agenda of Europe. We have our own views on freedom and the policies of the EU and NATO. She's also active on the usual confluence of right wing social media platforms. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Aug 21, 2023 |
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World Famous W posted:just to be clear, joe biden is a rapist My point is that they don't give their own side nearly the degree of rigor they expect from their adversaries.
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Do I dare to ask what these people think the "agenda of Europe" is? I assume they aren't doing a detailed criticism of the Maastricht treaty…
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Panfilo posted:My point is that they don't give their own side nearly the degree of rigor they expect from their adversaries. on the other posters' responses, no one is hinting she shouldn't be believed about the sexual assualt because of the rt poo poo, yes? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Antigravitas posted:Do I dare to ask what these people think the "agenda of Europe" is? I assume they aren't doing a detailed criticism of the Maastricht treaty…
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I'm out of the loop, was there some previous relationship w/ Russia or did she jump ship because the media poo poo on her and the US elected the guy she accused of sexual assault?
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Antigravitas posted:Do I dare to ask what these people think the "agenda of Europe" is? I assume they aren't doing a detailed criticism of the Maastricht treaty… The Islamic Shock posted:If it's right-wing, conspiratorial and not immediately obvious it's probably Jews. It's written up on RT as nominally leftist wedge attacks, mediating arguments against the existence of NATO and the EU and favoring Russian positions. Listed speakers at their event range from Jeremy Clarkson (popular right-wing car media enthusiast and columnist in the UK) to Greta Thunberg to loving Igor Strelkov. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Aug 21, 2023 |
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BornAPoorBlkChild posted:
Christians get two pride months, the straight one (Christmas) and the gay one (Easter)
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Antigravitas posted:Do I dare to ask what these people think the "agenda of Europe" is? Not being America. Something something socialism, communism, atheists, no guns, big government and gay stuff BornAPoorBlkChild posted:
Every time I hear some rear end in a top hat idiot talk about how persecuted Christian White Males are, I always point to the 45 presidents we've had and ask them to count how many were in that category to one extent or the other and the answer is "all of them". I also ask them to do a similar check on the makeup of congress. Occasionally, I get an answer like "well, yeah, but besides that". But that's a rather large amount of representation by any measure, isn't it? So let's talk about the War on Christmas and how now Trump made it legal again to wish folks a Merry one.
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Man, isn’t that the Five for Fighting guy from the 2000s? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRz4FY0ZcwI
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Xand_Man posted:I'm out of the loop, was there some previous relationship w/ Russia or did she jump ship because the media poo poo on her and the US elected the guy she accused of sexual assault? Same reason she did anything 2019-Present: her FSB handler told her to (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Been hearing this case make the rounds, looked online after hearing the "what a poor, innocent Christian" version on the radio, and what a surprise: https://archive.is/AHxrJ "Football coach fired for his private moment of prayer on the field" was leading prayers and talks to students of a public school, eventually gathering over 500 people as he did so. He was put on paid leave, and the school eventually attempted to rehire him and he wouldn't go back. Feels like it applies to the "grievance anthem as psyop and paycheck" chat going on.
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BiggerBoat posted:Reminds me of what happened to ACORN, who did absolutely nothing wrong. They were shamed and persecuted for handing registration forms with names like "Mickey Mouse" and "Indiana Jones" on them that were obviously fake but ACORN was required by a GOP written law that said they HAD to submit ALL the forms. No, it was worse. The rule that all forms had to be turned in came about because Republicans were showing up to register people to vote then throwing out anyone who checked the Democrat party registration box without telling them.
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It seems insane to me that voter registration form would include 'allegiance'. Isn't who you voted for supposed to be super private secret information that the whole system is designed around making sure can never be revealed?
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The Lone Badger posted:It seems insane to me that voter registration form would include 'allegiance'. Isn't who you voted for supposed to be super private secret information that the whole system is designed around making sure can never be revealed? It's not who you voted for. It's party affiliation in order to register for closed primaries or connect you with party GOTV efforts or mailing lists. It is a bit silly considering the US federal system has no real concept of political parties, but many states do in order to ensure fairness in the primary or caucus process. I believe many or most states have a "none," option. Of all the things in the dumbass US election system, it's one of the least evil. This is also why there was a related GOP scam in 2020 to go door to door to ask people if they remembered what they're registered as, and then if they are Democrats but may not remember which box they ticked, switch them to GOP registration in order to disrupt Democratic GOTV efforts. ErIog fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Aug 22, 2023 |
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Honestly, everything I've learned about US elections and voting is horrifying. In Germany you just get a letter a month in advance telling you when and where you can vote, and how you can vote by mail. You go to the polling place on a Sunday, put your cross onto the ballot(s), and the volunteers at the polling place do a public count of the votes after closing. Get results in the evening, bingo bongo so simpel. So simple in fact you can explain the entire process to basically anyone, and they can run the entire election. (Which is the point of course) If parties want to restrict their selection process, let them keep those records themselves.
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