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Aug 20, 2023 12:59
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Yeah bit of a snoozer otherwise, at least moto3 was fun.
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Aug 20, 2023 19:43
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After all the very un-nuanced winking and nudging by journos and the riders that the tire pressure thing was definitely going to hit Ducati hard we get a ridiculous blow out by Bagnaia and the KTMs and Aprilias looking like they have zero answer. Miller always fades badly near race end but to end up in 15th is loving dire for someone that was in podium contention early on. Early days but I think this was Ducati executing the tried and tested war strategy of never stopping your opposition when they're in the middle of making a mistake.
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Aug 20, 2023 21:22
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Pressure restrictions handicapping Ducati was always cope. They win consistently because their bike has a broader setup window than all the others, it makes no sense to think Ducati would suffer without everyone else suffering even worse. Tbh I think the main effect will be to make following other bikes closely even harder
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Aug 20, 2023 21:50
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Ducati closed the gap on the KTM launch device clearly this weekend as well
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Aug 20, 2023 22:01
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Imo the only real way to 'fix' the competition in the near term is to ban squatting devices. They make it possible to have more aggressive, less compromised aero which in turn increases front tyre load and dirty air behind the bike. They have zero real world application and exist entirely due to rules-lawyering the extremely poorly written regulations. It would also move the balance of power away from the stop-go bikes a little bit.
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Aug 20, 2023 22:04
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its unfortunately going down the route F1 went down where it eventually will just completely turn on fixing the bike position as much as possible to maximise the aero more than building the best actual bike. For my part aerodynamics is the most consistently boring and stupidest part of racing and its the reason why F1 is neigh on impossible to watch now and if they banned it from MotoGP I would be the most vocal proponent of the move regardless of its impact on racing. I really don't give a flying gently caress about winglets, downforce or airflow, if that poo poo was actually interesting there'd be thousands of mouth breathers lining up to watch planes take off at airports every day but as it turns out its incredibly loving dull and coma inducing with zero net benefit to society so ban it.
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Aug 20, 2023 22:21
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I totally agree on the aero front. Nobody cares what tiny piece of carbon fiber a manufacturer has stuck into the wind stream. If moto gp looked more like moto 3 that would be fantastic and the rules makers should be driving builders and teams in that direction, not away from it
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Aug 20, 2023 23:49
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Unfortunately 'the rule makers' are literally just one guy who kind of squints at stuff and decides it's legal or not. Because bikes (until very recently) change incredibly slowly the technical regulations and their interpretation/enforcement have been amateur in the extreme and it's mostly never mattered before. The FIM regulations have not really caught up to modern developments, Ducati and Aprilia continue to push the envelope much faster than they can respond. MotoGP's situation is, imo, far worse than f1 because at least in f1 the infrastructure to deal with this stuff already existed when aero started spiraling out of control.
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Aug 21, 2023 00:10
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More like CryptoDATA DNF!
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Aug 21, 2023 01:27
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Russian Bear posted:Yeah bit of a snoozer otherwise, at least moto3 was fun. Also fun to see Moto2 not ending up a walk in the park for Acosta. Chris Knight fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Aug 21, 2023 |
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Aug 21, 2023 01:53
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Chris Knight posted:More like CryptoDATA DNF! 
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Aug 21, 2023 02:15
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Chris Knight posted:More like CryptoDATA DNF! Whenever Razali speaks I always think to myself "Surely this kind of arrogance is from a team owner who did more than jump on the tail end of the easy to ride Yamaha era and got lucky on a gamble on someone who's career was in the shitter in moto2?"
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Aug 21, 2023 03:10
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Was the Barbie bike too WOKE and that's why it didn't finish? Go woke go broke right everybody?
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Aug 21, 2023 03:39
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Im ok with the squatting devices even if only because the bikes look cool when theyre powering out of a corner with that stance Aero is only heading one way though and that can EAD 
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Aug 21, 2023 06:20
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Absolutely SHOCKED to hear this about Maverick:Motomatters posted:Maverick Viñales had showed he was fast during practice, and fast during qualifying, and he even had fantastic pace during the race. But off the line, the Aprilia is a disaster. In his media debrief, Viñales was at pains to make sure we all understood where the problems lay. SHOCKED.
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Aug 21, 2023 18:34
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Forever in denial You can literally watch the footage and see him dragged off the line to end up ~4th and then get absolutely owned all the way back into 12th place by the time the first lap finishes I was kind of hoping Aprilia would've figured out how to fix his starts psychologically but it seems his defense mechanisms are too strong lol
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Aug 21, 2023 18:51
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Dude needs to do like half a year in Moto2 just working on starts and then be slotted into a team where he's told this is how things are done and you get zero input into the process just ride the bike. But given his general attitude I'd guess he loving tantrums like 25% of the way into that process and walks. If I was Aprilia I'd be seriously inquiring into whether Marquez is actually willing to walk from his Honda contract for next year. I think that bike is a lot better than the results it currently is getting.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:57
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Yeah imo the Aprilia it's basically a match for the Ducati at ~75% of circuits and Marc would easily make up the difference
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Aug 21, 2023 21:37
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Zarco to join LCR Honda. Which makes about as much sense as Topraks move to BMW. Definitely about developing the bike. Nothing else could be a factor.
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Aug 21, 2023 22:37
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He said he was tired of constantly getting one year deals and having to prove himself while somehow also being the lead development guy Typical Ducati things
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Aug 21, 2023 23:02
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If someone was doubling my salary for several years and I’m no longer a spring chicken, I’d tell clipboard Ken yes as well.
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Aug 21, 2023 23:31
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I like Zarco but you can't really be that shocked that Ducati has a take it or leave it negotiating attitude towards you when you seem so steadfastly opposed to actually winning a race and just completely phone it in after every summer break of every season you've ever competed in.
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Aug 21, 2023 23:54
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Alex Marquez posted:Good luck!
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Aug 22, 2023 00:01
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I'd argue that the one and only development rider you have is worth more than that, but maybe they see something in one of the younger guys on that front. Martin isn't developing poo poo, he's too much of a meathead, the 46 boys are on old bikes so that leaves bagnaia, a known particular rider who's bike doesn't work perfectly for the others, and bastianini, an unknown quantity.
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Aug 22, 2023 00:02
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tony quidtana posted:I like Zarco but you can't really be that shocked that Ducati has a take it or leave it negotiating attitude towards you when you seem so steadfastly opposed to actually winning a race and just completely phone it in after every summer break of every season you've ever competed in. I like him too, the thing is he's not a poo poo rider by any means, if only anyone knew what it was that made him pull that handful of great races out per season then just be nowhere for the rest. Totally cant fault him for going for the cash at this stage of his career. How old is he again? Im excited to see what silly-season rider changes are coming, it seems to me there a lot of guys who really need to justify their seats in the premier class right now.
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Aug 22, 2023 02:02
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Diggia Fernandez R Naka All have zero grounds for staying
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Aug 22, 2023 02:11
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Taka has some sort of deal with the robot Honda devil.
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Aug 22, 2023 02:17
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Russian Bear posted:Taka has some sort of deal with the robot Honda devil. Taka's future in MotoGP is 100% down to just how grotesquely unappealing a Honda seat looks to Ai Ogura.
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Aug 22, 2023 02:29
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Slavvy posted:I'd argue that the one and only development rider you have is worth more than that, but maybe they see something in one of the younger guys on that front. Martin isn't developing poo poo, he's too much of a meathead, the 46 boys are on old bikes so that leaves bagnaia, a known particular rider who's bike doesn't work perfectly for the others, and bastianini, an unknown quantity. during practice and the sprint/race it sounds like Bastianini is struggling coming back from injury (cue surprised face) and getting to grips with the factory bike with all these new parts and not the established bike with a solid setup sheet (extra surprised face). it might have been a lot to ask Bastianini to do anyways, but doing so missing about half the season and trying to come back from injury? feels like a quick way to get demoted, especially as big a knife fight the Ducati ranks seem to be. (Bezecchi is the one that looks the most like having alien potential to me, Bagnaia might be close but a Lorenzo type. Martin is a bit of a meathead, look at this past weekend).
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Aug 22, 2023 02:39
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This quip on The Race made me laugh: MOTOGP POINTS IN 2023 Johann Zarco – 125 Every Honda rider combined – 110
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Aug 22, 2023 03:18
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Both Mir and Marquez have only finished one race this year 
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Aug 22, 2023 03:38
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Continuing the Aliens series.
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quote:KTM very clearly expected to have at least five bikes on the 2024 grid. It made clear that was its aim and it attempted to achieve it both by encouraging LCR to switch from Honda and by asking MotoGP for two more grid spots. Never change, orange men
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I'd like more bikes on the grid but on the other hand I'd also be equally glad for Dorna to tell KTM to gently caress off it isn't their problem they promised 5 riders MotoGP seats with only 4 bikes. e: just as a reminder KTM begged Miguel Olive oil to stay in the Gas Gas team promising him it would be a very professional factory team like effort and instead its a complete loving shitshow as expected. lol. lmao. F1DriverQuidenBerg fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Aug 27, 2023 |
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Aug 27, 2023 21:13
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They also announced that both of their tech 3 guys at the time were getting fired in the middle of a practice session without telling them beforehand, then they fired their replacements in the middle of their rookie season It makes me lol that Honda has the reputation of treating riders like interchangeable components
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Aug 27, 2023 21:50
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Who could have predicted that the driver that just completely dominated Moto3 would demand to move up to MotoGP after his second year in Moto2 which he is dominating because the class is pretty thin on talent. Nobody could have seen this coming, swallowed their pride and just kept Remy another year (again their reputation is of their own making) and force Augusto to compete against Acosta for the MotoGP seat in Moto2, or hell they could've not resigned Pol who seems to just have a constant lovely attitude and doesn't really seem to be a world beater. there was like a half dozen different alternatives to manage the situation better than they did and yet they've managed to pull the worst possible solution out of their rear end and are just refusing to own it. Just loving man up and boot one of the GasGas riders already so they can find a seat anywhere else.
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Aug 27, 2023 22:20
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KTM not planning for Acosta's ascension is like the biggest own-goal I've seen for years.
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They genuinely thought they could just will an extra couple of bikes onto the grid, just pure arrogance
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