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The new year of racing is upon us. Both races in the Americas (north and south) have been postponed, and parts of Europe is starting to head into yet another lockdown. Let's hope this season has crazy racing, but not so crazy for the overall world situation. BARWA GRAND PRIX OF QATAR pre:MotoGP Entry list 2021PDF Number Rider Nation Team Motorcycle 5 Johann ZARCO FRA Pramac Racing Ducati 6 Stefan BRADL GER Repsol Honda Team Honda 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Tech 3 KTM Factory Racing KTM 10 Luca MARINI ITA SKY VR46 Esponsorama Ducati 12 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 20 Fabio QUARTARARO FRA Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 21 Franco MORBIDELLI ITA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 23 Enea BASTIANINI ITA Esponsorama Racing Ducati 27 Iker LECUONA SPA Tech 3 KTM Factory Racing KTM 30 Takaaki NAKAGAMI JPN LCR Honda IDEMITSU Honda 32 Lorenzo SAVADORI ITA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 33 Brad BINDER RSA Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 36 Joan MIR SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia 42 Alex RINS SPA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 43 Jack MILLER AUS Ducati Lenovo Team Ducati 44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Petronas Yamaha SRT Yamaha 63 Francesco BAGNAIA ITA Ducati Lenovo Team Ducati 73 Alex MARQUEZ SPA LCR Honda CASTROL Honda 88 Miguel OLIVEIRA POR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM 89 Jorge MARTIN SPA Pramac Racing Ducati 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda
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Jorge Lorenzo has been a global treasure on social media. https://motosprint.corrieredellosport.it/news/english-version/motogp/2021/03/10-4003172/motogp_jorge_lorenzo_social_media_debate_i_like_it_/ He's the de facto 2021 world champion.
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Mar 25, 2021 22:24
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Haha excellent. Crutchlow's livery looking sweet. 
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Mar 25, 2021 23:43
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Yesss I love those Yamaha blocks and wish they would put them on their bikes. 
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Mar 26, 2021 01:55
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builds character posted:Jorge Lorenzo has been a global treasure on social media. https://motosprint.corrieredellosport.it/news/english-version/motogp/2021/03/10-4003172/motogp_jorge_lorenzo_social_media_debate_i_like_it_/ this has been hilarious as a good sideshow leading into the season
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Mar 26, 2021 03:23
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Lorenzo posted:"0 wins in 18 years? Really? The fact you’re still in MotoGP is just magic" That has to be a mistake. He has to have won something in the support classes right?  Guess not.
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Mar 26, 2021 06:30
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We back the Suzuki Stan Has Logged On.
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Mar 26, 2021 12:17
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the paradigm shift posted:this has been hilarious as a good sideshow leading into the season What was even more hilarious is most people just had to sit back and bite their tongue because he's bested Rossi, Stoner and Marquez. Not to mention he's also the King of Scarves...
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Mar 26, 2021 17:55
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so unless I'm reading this wrong the riders on ducatis keep asking for better cornering and what they've been given again is hella top speed.
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Mar 27, 2021 04:14
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the paradigm shift posted:so unless I'm reading this wrong the riders on ducatis keep asking for better cornering and what they've been given again is hella top speed. I love Ducati because they're so loving hopeless and on brand at all times.
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Mar 27, 2021 04:38
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the paradigm shift posted:so unless I'm reading this wrong the riders on ducatis keep asking for better cornering and what they've been given again is hella top speed. The BTSport broadcast of FP2 was saying Jack Miller thinks the cornering is better due to the new aero, they have a new lower scoop that is supposedly doing some kind of ground effect that's helping the bike stick better through the corners. If that's true then Dovi really hosed up because they might be on for a really good year. Also Netflix and F1 have had great success with Drive to Survive so they decided to branch out: https://twitter.com/motomatters/status/1375441304029642756?s=20
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Mar 27, 2021 05:14
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:The BTSport broadcast of FP2 was saying Jack Miller thinks the cornering is better due to the new aero, they have a new lower scoop that is supposedly doing some kind of ground effect that's helping the bike stick better through the corners. If that's true then Dovi really hosed up because they might be on for a really good year.  the paradigm shift posted:so unless I'm reading this wrong the riders on ducatis keep asking for better cornering and what they've been given again is hella top speed. What utter slanderous nonsense. They've also got improved mechanical launch control!
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Mar 27, 2021 09:07
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:The BTSport broadcast of FP2 was saying Jack Miller thinks the cornering is better due to the new aero, they have a new lower scoop that is supposedly doing some kind of ground effect that's helping the bike stick better through the corners. If that's true then Dovi really hosed up because they might be on for a really good year. Wonder if they'll be a little brazen and allude to the Iannone saga? Nothing we wouldn't already know but would still be curious to see how the topic is broached, if at all...
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Mar 27, 2021 12:07
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gregbest90 posted:Wonder if they'll be a little brazen and allude to the Iannone saga? Nothing we wouldn't already know but would still be curious to see how the topic is broached, if at all... Probably not since they just started filming this year and he's been gone already. I haven't watched drive to survive but the impression I get is that it emphasizes things that seem weird or unimportant to the hardcore fans because it's trying to draw in non-fans. If that's the case who knows what we'll see, the travails of test rider Bradl or something. I'll still watch it though.
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Mar 27, 2021 14:57
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An hour of cutting back and forth between oliveira fixing teeth and marrying his cousin. A day in the life of nakagami's sister. Uccio's rossi miniatures collection. The logistical structure of ducati's catering. Jack miller talking about how hard it is to not be blotto all the time..
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Mar 27, 2021 19:04
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Slavvy posted:An hour of cutting back and forth between oliveira fixing teeth and marrying his cousin.  Crutchlow just randomly falling over doing ordinary tasks. Every episode closing on Lorenzo contemplating which scarf to wear for the next day.
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Mar 27, 2021 19:41
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I need to get in the online betting game and see what odds I can get for Ducati taking every holeshot this year.
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Mar 28, 2021 19:36
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Holy poo poo when the Ducatis are running full fuel they’re like another class of bike, that straight line speed is unbelievable. That last corner for Mir was 
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Mar 29, 2021 01:32
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Mar 29, 2021 03:16
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A fun start to the year that's for sure.
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Mar 29, 2021 03:18
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I don't know why everyone doesn't just paint their motorcycles red. Clearly it makes them go faster.
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Mar 29, 2021 06:04
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No Team Green for me, I have a red Kawasaki 
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Mar 29, 2021 06:11
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KodiakRS posted:I don't know why everyone doesn't just paint their motorcycles red. Clearly it makes them go faster. They need to make sure they have Pramac on there too 
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Mar 30, 2021 11:36
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KodiakRS posted:I don't know why everyone doesn't just paint their
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Mar 30, 2021 12:00
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I have never watched an entire MotoGP race before, but I decided this would be the year to try to get into it. The race was awesome, and as Maverick Vinales started to work his way forward I looked him up. This told me two things: 1.) That he won the race already (managed to ruin it for myself since I was watching on tape delay) 2.) His name is actually Maverick, and it's because his dad is a fan of Top Gun. Boom, he's my guy now. Go Vinales!
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Apr 1, 2021 16:23
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JohnClark posted:I have never watched an entire MotoGP race before, but I decided this would be the year to try to get into it. The race was awesome, and as Maverick Vinales started to work his way forward I looked him up. This told me two things: I'm so sorry.
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Apr 1, 2021 16:41
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Yeah if there is one word to sum up Vinales's MotoGP career it's "underperformance." Although Dovi was always my guy and he only won two races over 9 years before he suddenly became a clear title contender, so there is precedent for Maverick getting his poo poo together at this late stage in the game.
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Apr 1, 2021 17:04
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:Yeah if there is one word to sum up Vinales's MotoGP career it's "underperformance." Although Dovi was always my guy and he only won two races over 9 years before he suddenly became a clear title contender, so there is precedent for Maverick getting his poo poo together at this late stage in the game. Dovi was a pigeonholed b-rider/development donkey who managed to break out of his own cage and repeatedly bitchslap Marc Marquez like nobody has done before or since on a questionable truck of a bike that nobody else could get working consistently. He did this through sheer mental fortitude and persistence. Vinales is an over-hyped Marquez wannabe who debuted on a factory team on the easiest bike in the class, which many people have won many races and championships on, got routinely outperformed by two different frenchmen, a man with girl hair and a geriatric, claimed his championship winning crew chief didn't know anything and is generally extremely flaky and inconsistent. Said crew chief is now with morbidelli, the guy who came second in the championship last year and won 3x the races maverick did. Somehow he keeps getting re-signed by Yamaha despite the large supply of hungry rookies. I will say it now: if a yamaha wins this title it won't be his one. He will melt like unsalted butter the moment Marc returns. My money is still on mir and zarco fighting for second behind Marc.
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Apr 1, 2021 19:32
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Slavvy posted:Dovi was a pigeonholed b-rider/development donkey who managed to break out of his own cage and repeatedly bitchslap Marc Marquez like nobody has done before or since on a questionable truck of a bike that nobody else could get working consistently. He did this through sheer mental fortitude and persistence. Suzuki's just got the 1 title in the 4 stoke era and they got that post-maverick i know you meant yamaha, lol everyone forgets poor suzuki
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Apr 1, 2021 20:24
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Slavvy posted:Dovi was a pigeonholed b-rider/development donkey who managed to break out of his own cage and repeatedly bitchslap Marc Marquez like nobody has done before or since on a questionable truck of a bike that nobody else could get working consistently. He did this through sheer mental fortitude and persistence. You really think Marc is coming back? His arm seems super-hosed.
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Apr 1, 2021 20:59
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Yeah I forgot Suzuki, though it now appears to be better than the Yamaha and might always have been, it was so underpowered when he was there it wasn't reasonable to expect anything. He should've hit the ground running on a nearly identical bike but with far more resources on the team side.builds character posted:You really think Marc is coming back? His arm seems super-hosed. He will be back at either portimao or the race after that, guaranteed. His arm is good enough to wring the neck off an rc213vS, if he had a more conservative style/easier bike he'd be back already. Slavvy fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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Apr 1, 2021 21:01
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builds character posted:You really think Marc is coming back? His arm seems super-hosed. He'll definitely come back, but he is probably hosed and once he starts crashing again I think he's going to look into the void like Lorenzo did. I just don't think he has it in him to tootle around at the back getting gradually up to speed, not sure that even works on the Honda anyway, and there's no real opportunity for testing to knock off a year and a half of rust. He's going to see red the first time Rossi passes him for 14th and his ambition is going to crush his ability. Vinales will crack by the 3rd race when it's 2 degrees too warm and he's fighting for 12th with the rookies and just doesnt understand and its a completely different bike and we tried to make a big change and understand the feeling and  Again.I question slavvy's characterization of the Bike That Iannone Built as a dodgy truck. Jack, Jorge (99), and Johan all seem to have gotten a handle on it fairly well, they just didn't have 10 years of practice on it backed by a factory desperate to make a wholesome homegrown hero. It's probably second best machine on the grid after The Other Bike Iannone Built.
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Apr 2, 2021 03:23
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The Ducati is probably the second best bike, yes, but it still has crippling handicaps that only a truly transcendent rider can overcome in each and every race and I don't think they have a guy like that, zarco is the closest imo. Iannone didn't do jack poo poo for Suzuki besides costing them a season, when they decided to let him choose what engine to use and he jumped the wrong way because he was still in truck driving mode, leading them to spend a season understeering everywhere because their engine had millstones for flywheels. Like go back and look at the results of the Ducatis. Dovi was the only guy to ever be remotely consistent, george included. And his tilt at the title came in his fifth year on the red bike, third on the current bike (the gp13/14 had nothing in common with the newer bike, there was a clean cut when gigi took over design and there was likely no useful experience to draw from it), hardly ten years of preparation. My honest opinion on Ducati: their turning issue persists across several eras of bikes, riders, technology and rules. This leads me to believe their issue is not technical, but philosophical. They are unwilling to lose even a small amount of their strengths in order to improve their weaknesses, and because the only way forward from here is a shorter wheelbase that would hurt braking and acceleration, they continue to gently caress about with aerodynamics in a fugue of denial. Compare and contrast to Honda, who were told unequivocally by marc that they would lose in 2019 if they didn't massively improve straight line performance. So they made the difficult but necessary choice to sacrifice some cornering performance in order to improve acceleration, I think by just making the bike longer and more rear-heavy aka moving in ducati's direction. It destroyed the seasons of all their other riders but marc was able to overcome the corner entry handicap and win. Slavvy fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Apr 2, 2021 |
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Apr 2, 2021 03:36
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HAMAS HATE BOAT posted:He'll definitely come back, but he is probably hosed and once he starts crashing again I think he's going to look into the void like Lorenzo did. I just don't think he has it in him to tootle around at the back getting gradually up to speed, not sure that even works on the Honda anyway, and there's no real opportunity for testing to knock off a year and a half of rust. He's going to see red the first time Rossi passes him for 14th and his ambition is going to crush his ability. I don't think he's going to implode like Lorenzo did, I think he's going to just become the slight favorite for the title rather then the prohibitive favorite. You've got the Honda being reengineered to be more friendly for other riders which will be better for them overall but probably cost Marc a tenth or two per lap because he can't make it do the crazy poo poo it used to do. You got the unconscious psychological issues both with Marc not wanting to get hurt so he goes a bit slower and the other young riders getting a taste of victory while he was gone and not being as intimidated or giving him the deference they used to. Plus he's just getting older and he won't be able to rely on cat like reflexes like he used to. He's not quite 30 yet so it won't be like Anderson Silva trying to fight with his hands down at his side when he's almost 40 and having that catch up with him all in a rush, but he's going to start getting some DNFs that he didn't used to before he learns to take it easy I'd bet. I bet he still wins a fair amount of races this year though.
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Apr 2, 2021 04:14
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Or, he will be like Doohan and pound everyone restlessly until he crashes one too many times and is left permanently scarred.
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Apr 2, 2021 07:14
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algebra testes posted:Or, he will be like Doohan and pound everyone restlessly until he crashes one too many times and is left permanently scarred. I think it'll be this. He won't decline gradually like rossi, he'll keep crushing them mercilessly until he's physically unable to race.
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Apr 2, 2021 08:47
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Slavvy posted:I think it'll be this. He won't decline gradually like rossi, he'll keep crushing them mercilessly until he's physically unable to race. Sadly I agree; I don't see it any other way, especially with Honda still placing machinery above all else. Marc will continue to defy odds till he runs out of road...
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Apr 2, 2021 09:01
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Slavvy posted:Yeah I forgot Suzuki, though it now appears to be better than the Yamaha and might always have been, it was so underpowered when he was there it wasn't reasonable to expect anything. He should've hit the ground running on a nearly identical bike but with far more resources on the team side. I don't know, I think there's a difference between coming back and being back to his former self. I think maybe he races again but his arm seems like it really was just done and I'm skeptical that even Marquez can knock off the rust that fast. HAMAS HATE BOAT posted:He'll definitely come back, but he is probably hosed and once he starts crashing again I think he's going to look into the void like Lorenzo did. I just don't think he has it in him to tootle around at the back getting gradually up to speed, not sure that even works on the Honda anyway, and there's no real opportunity for testing to knock off a year and a half of rust. He's going to see red the first time Rossi passes him for 14th and his ambition is going to crush his ability. [quote] Slavvy posted:I think it'll be this. He won't decline gradually like rossi, he'll keep crushing them mercilessly until he's physically unable to race. gregbest90 posted:Sadly I agree; I don't see it any other way, especially with Honda still placing machinery above all else. Marc will continue to defy odds till he runs out of road... This only it'll be this year. I don't see Marquez being OK with going as slow as he should to get back into the swing of things and I think he'll push too hard and crash again. He's marquez so maybe instead he'll just be absolutely ridiculous again but I think the most likely scenario is he crashes badly again once or twice and hurts himself. Slavvy posted:The Ducati is probably the second best bike, yes, but it still has crippling handicaps that only a truly transcendent rider can overcome in each and every race and I don't think they have a guy like that, zarco is the closest imo. The only thing I want to add here is that goddamnit don't you dare slander Lorenzo's name like that. All he needed was a little tank pad to help cushion his dad bod belly and he was suddenly super fast. I don't know if you remember but it was just hilarious at the time. He'd been complaining all season and ducati had been like "shut the gently caress up and ride our bella bike" and then they finally gave in and he promptly went on a tear.
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Apr 2, 2021 16:31
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Thanks everyone for continuing racechat... Let's watch a whole team's heart break in half: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQjZVddYGi0
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Apr 2, 2021 18:02
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Skreemer posted:Thanks everyone for continuing racechat... Let's watch a whole team's heart break in half: You gotta keep on the gas in the final straight. (I know, I know)
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