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gently caress off, Nova. We're storming the Bastille. I never could micro well, so I rarely incorporated ghosts/specters into my play style much anyway. I used to use them in the old days, but fingers got slower in between Brood War and Wings.
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bladededge posted:My wife and I just finished watching the original Captain Harlock show from the 70's, and let me tell you, as great a storyteller as Leiji Matsumoto was, he had absolutely zero concept of how distances work in outer space. lmao, I just finished watching it with some friends as well, and we were in STITCHES at the bizarre senses of scale and concepts like "space miles." I think it'd be one thing if he didn't know how the distances worked, sure, but the way that they kept changing also made it extra hilarious, and how it takes the crew like ten episodes to get to somewhere in outer space, then in a single episode they can pop back to the Sol system to do something, then zoop back into deep interstellar space, and the rare occasions when it felt like Matsumoto just read a dictionary entry on something space-related.
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Aug 22, 2023 08:45
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Are the campaigns worth buying if I haven’t played them, and what’s up with the pricing? It looks like Wings of Liberty and the Protoss campaign are both free, I think, leaving it $15 for Heart of the Swarm and $10 for the Nova campaign, or…$40 for the collection which gets me in addition ???
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Aug 22, 2023 12:29
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I never played the Nova missions, but I had a blast playing all the single player campaigns and sometimes replay them. Dumb as the story is, they're pretty fun to play.
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Aug 22, 2023 13:24
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ulmont posted:Are the campaigns worth buying if I haven’t played them, and what’s up with the pricing? It looks like Wings of Liberty and the Protoss campaign are both free, I think, leaving it $15 for Heart of the Swarm and $10 for the Nova campaign, or…$40 for the collection which gets me in addition ??? Wait, Legacy of the Void is free?
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ulmont posted:Are the campaigns worth buying if I haven’t played them, and what’s up with the pricing? It looks like Wings of Liberty and the Protoss campaign are both free, I think, leaving it $15 for Heart of the Swarm and $10 for the Nova campaign, or…$40 for the collection which gets me in addition ??? Does the bundle mention anything about unlocking co-op commanders? That’s the only other paid thing I can think of
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Aug 22, 2023 13:27
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Szarrukin posted:Wait, Legacy of the Void is free? I was definitely able to start the first mission of that campaign without paying anything last night, but haven't gone much further (if it was worth buying I was going to play Heart first).
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Aug 22, 2023 13:30
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Legacy of the Void had a prologue microcampaign separate to the campaign proper - possibly that? the LotV campaign proper starts with Artanis on Aiur
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Some of the missions are fun but I wouldn't agree that it's worth 40 bucks. Maybe 20 for all four campaigns would be more reasonable, especially how bad and painful the writing gets  . And of course there is the tiny little asterisk of ethical concerns.
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Lt. Danger posted:Legacy of the Void had a prologue microcampaign separate to the campaign proper - possibly that? the LotV campaign proper starts with Artanis on Aiur That's gotta be it, ok. If the $40 is for Heart + Legacy + Nova then it's, well, not a deal, but also not paying more for no good reason, I guess.
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ulmont posted:Are the campaigns worth buying if I haven’t played them, and what’s up with the pricing? It looks like Wings of Liberty and the Protoss campaign are both free, I think, leaving it $15 for Heart of the Swarm and $10 for the Nova campaign, or…$40 for the collection which gets me in addition ??? With your listed pricing, I'd go with the free Wings and Protoss, spend the $15 for Swarm and just play through those three major campaigns. The Nova campaign and the Legacy prologue were both fairly minor (still enjoyable, but not a big deal to miss).
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Poil posted:And of course there is the tiny little asterisk of ethical concerns. This is the big one. I think the prices on the campaigns themselves are fine, but lol at giving blizz money.
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Xarn posted:This is the big one. I think the prices on the campaigns themselves are fine, but lol at giving blizz money. My Rubicon on ever giving activision my money again was Blitzchung in 2019, personally. There's such a cheesecake factory-sized menu of options with this company, though.
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Yeah, I still watch a couple Hearthstone streamers (and this LP ), but otherwise I quit everything  related cold turkey after the harassment suits
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Regalingualius posted:Yeah, I still watch a couple Hearthstone streamers (and this LP  Even went so far as to outright delete my old account. Made a burner account once Classic Wrath released to see if the spark was still there, but nope.
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For me BFA was so bad I nuked my blizz account from orbit, leading me to reflect on what I was doing with my life and thus coming out as trans. So thanks Blizz I guess?
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For me breakage with Blizzard was Warcraft 3 Reforged. I was expecting a remake of the game with new cutscenes, tweaks to the storyline and missions.. Instead we got some updated models. Uninstalled it so fast.
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Aug 23, 2023 01:14
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ulmont posted:Are the campaigns worth buying if we just finished protoss hell more seriously, I think no. Bad writing aside, I don't really think most of the campaign gameplay is that good? The bright spots you'll see in this very thread. and they do exist, even if I'm pretty down on WOL overall. But I don't think there are enough of them. that said if I understand your post correctly, you can just get WOL for free? So maybe try it yourself?
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Aug 23, 2023 02:53
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I'm not sure if it was WoW Cataclysm, or the previews of Wings of Liberty that soured me first. Then it just kept getting worse.
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Psion posted:that said if I understand your post correctly, you can just get WOL for free? So maybe try it yourself? I just finished WoL for free after never playing anything StarCraft-esque from 1998-2023 (and I never played Brood War either now that I think about it). I enjoyed WoL, hence the question about the other campaign packs.
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Aug 23, 2023 03:03
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It might be worth it if you want to try some of the campaign mods popping up that use GiantGrantGames' Campaign Mod Manager. Those one don't go through the Arcade, those mods actually modify the campaigns themselves, and some of them are really cool.
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In terms of gameplay, I'd argue WoL is the weakest campaign. I had a lot of fun with the Zerg and Protoss campaigns as long as I paid as little attention to the plot as possible.
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My enjoyment was WoL -> Protoss/Nova -> Zerg. Zerg was still fun to play but it doesn't really feel like a Zerg campaign where units and macro are the main factors.
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That's because the Zerg campaign isn't really about the Zerg themselves. All of the most interesting parts about the Zerg take a backseat in favor of Human Drama.
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I think they're more referring to how a lot of how it mechanically plays is your hero soloing poo poo with their immense power. Your army units and economics definitely take a back seat to having your hero go smash whole outposts by themselves at the start.
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FoolyCharged posted:I think they're more referring to how a lot of how it mechanically plays is your hero soloing poo poo with their immense power. Your army units and economics definitely take a back seat to having your hero go smash whole outposts by themselves at the start. This. The hero is 80%-90% of your army, your other units are just there to act as blocking dummies. Sure, Nova Cov Ops is the same thing, but at least you're told ahead of time that it's a Nova-centered campaign, and you already had a non-hero focused Terran campaign.
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WoL has the most time and attention put into it and I think it comes together the best on Brutal for a satisfying experience with a lot of mission variety and approaches. HoS just kind of sucks outside of some hilariously broken bullshit. LotV is really great when it's on the ball and on par with WoL but also has the most samey mission design of all three campaigns.
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I've not played the protoss one, but I thought gameplay wise WoL was way better than HotS. WoL has a load of varied missions and cool gimmicks, HotS missions are all either dungeon crawling or "build up force, attack-move the other side of the map" (I'm sure there are exceptions to that but they're forgettable enough that I forgot them)
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HotS has interesting gimmick in the evolutions and mutations if you are into that sort of thing. It is definitely the one I am least likely to replay though.
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Hots sucks because every mission with a base in that game is trivially beaten on brutal by spamming roach hydra.
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Xarn posted:HotS has interesting gimmick in the evolutions and mutations if you are into that sort of thing. Yeah the army customisation is fun in HotS. I just wish it hadn't taken Blizzard until LotV to realise that making permanent choices about your army customisation is less fun than being able to change it and try other things. Hell, it makes more sense for the Zerg to be able to modify their army freely than either of the other races.
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WoL's campaign was fine, but I didn't find any mission particularly fun, that coupled with the dumpster fire story and all my friends burning out on the plate-spinning micro sinks in multiplayer, also the miserable custom game experience, meant that's where the sc2 journey ended. The coop mode was way too limited and way too late. One of these days it'll go on deep enough sale to scoop up the rest of the missions, maybe
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I found the maps a lot more fun and interesting in WoL. The HotS and LotV ones mostly only felt like set pieces instead of "real" locations.
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BisbyWorl posted:
dear thread, whatever we may think of WOL at least we agree on the important parts
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Guys I think it's immensely disrespectful to the source material for us to not go Full Horny Dumbass.
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inflatablefish posted:Guys I think it's immensely disrespectful to the source material for us to not go Full Horny Dumbass. It's the way of all SciFi Fiction
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inflatablefish posted:Guys I think it's immensely disrespectful to the source material for us to not go Full Horny Dumbass. I will gladly disrespect SC2's plot all day long.
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inflatablefish posted:Guys I think it's immensely disrespectful to the source material for us to not go Full Horny Dumbass. Starcraft 2 ain't giving much respect to it's source material, either.
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