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Torquemada posted:Moneyball was exceptional, but I can't say I see the appeal of anything else he's done. The Social Network is good but I think that says more about Fincher.
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NorgLyle posted:I think that if Sports Night had 5 more seasons then it would be remembered about as well as Studio 60 (which does hold the record, I think, for fastest and most hilarious crash and burn). There's still a lot to like about Sports Night and it is helped by the simple fact that sports don't actually matter at all and so it never had the opportunity to get "deep". Was not the episode where they sent Natalie to get sexually assaulted DEEP? OK so Sports Night is still eeesh
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Henchman of Santa posted:The Social Network is good but I think that says more about Fincher. The Social Network was fun because, when it came out, a lot of the press was on Sorkin's poo poo about how mean he was to make Zuckerburg look like a socially stunted goober.
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Aug 22, 2023 18:33
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No going to a) Google or b) speculate but someone on these forums once said that Sorkin was not neurotypical and watching his stuff it kinda makes more sense if you believe that
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Aug 22, 2023 18:36
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When I rewatched 30 rock some five or so years ago, I decided to find the old tv-iv thread and read along what people at the time were saying. IIRC most of the season 1 discussion was all about how it compared to Studio 60, a show most people assumed would be the successful one at the time.
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Aug 22, 2023 18:36
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If Sorkin had made 30 Rock we'd all be living in Utopia
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Aug 22, 2023 18:37
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At least 30 rock in a later season episode had Sorkin on and poo poo on him for studio 60
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Aug 22, 2023 18:50
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Baron von Eevl posted:This is the first I've seen it and the "sir, I just wanted you and your crew to know..." was literally jaw dropping. I thought that part was supposed to be like "LOL afraid of big Black guy  " until he started talking.Also, what were the uniform shots all about? Another (apparently) incorrect thought I had: the extreme multi-shot detail of the inspection was meant to reveal that the uniform was actually counterfeit and the captain was the terrorist all along, and his vague solemn apprehension was meant to reflect fear, that he was supposed to keep his mouth shut about the captain being a terrorist or else he would be killed. Again though, that is literally the first & only Sorkin anything I ever saw, a three-minute YouTube clip, so I don't know how much/little I'm supposed to read into anything he does.
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Aug 22, 2023 18:51
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Genuinely I love how much goons absolutely hate Sorkin. For me it was his movie about the Trial of the Chicago 7, which.... gently caress.
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Aug 22, 2023 18:54
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YeahTubaMike posted:I thought that part was supposed to be like "LOL afraid of big Black guy Just assume whatever you want when it comes to Sorkin's work and pretend you've seen it to anyone who ever brings it up with you. They won't be able to tell the diff between your bullshit and his actual work.
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Offler posted:When I rewatched 30 rock some five or so years ago, I decided to find the old tv-iv thread and read along what people at the time were saying. IIRC most of the season 1 discussion was all about how it compared to Studio 60, a show most people assumed would be the successful one at the time. Thing is, the original pitch for 30 Rock was a new broadcast instead of a sketch comedy show. Studio execs weren't thrilled at the idea because of Sportsnight floundering a few years earlier and convinced Fey to go with what she knows.
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Aug 22, 2023 19:03
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YeahTubaMike posted:I thought that part was supposed to be like "LOL afraid of big Black guy The uniform shots are a reference to United 93. Never Forget. 
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Torquemada posted:Moneyball was exceptional, but I can't say I see the appeal of anything else he's done. Not even The Social Network?
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Baron von Eevl posted:This is the first I've seen it and the "sir, I just wanted you and your crew to know..." was literally jaw dropping. i'm almost jealous of you for witnessing it for the first time
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I also think all the people freaking out and speculating there was a terrorist attack is wild because I remember hearing "Obama just announced a press conference an hour from now, he's going to say bin laden was killed" as the immediate and predominant rumor.
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Also, imagine being told, "A man was killed for you, tonight." Even if it is a villain or whatever, that's a weird thing to hear. I would not want to hear that.
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AceOfFlames posted:I still can't believe they made that scene. How many hundreds of thousands of dollars spent just to make a joke only a handful of film nerds would get. Better than the usual IP vomit like the rest of that sequence but still. didnt they already do this joke in the direct to dvd cartoon movie, Superman: Doomsday? supes curb stomps a spider bot and some kids go "wow that sucked"
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Fish of hemp posted:Not even The Social Network? An actor I really dislike playing a person I really dislike. There's enough assholes already, I don't want to hang out with them in my leisure time.
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Aug 22, 2023 23:48
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I think people are WAY too harsh on The West Wing. Noel is one of the best written pieces of television ever. I get if you don't enjoy the politics and think its centrist but the show often points out that people are right to be disappointed in Bartlett because he often governors towards the middle and that there is a lot of smug sanctimony coming from the staff. But uh...I can't defend the sexual politics of that show. It's a mess even for the 90s.
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I feel like Sorkin works when the actor portraying his soapbox character leans into the fact that they're an rear end in a top hat (Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men, Brad Pitt in Moneyball, Jesse Eisenberg in Social Network). When they try to portray themselves as good people it comes off terribly.
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Mr Interweb posted:i'm almost jealous of you for witnessing it for the first time I hadn't seen it before and for a moment thought the talky guy was Beck Bennett and it was a SNL clip. That just made it funnier when I realised it was sincere
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Aug 23, 2023 03:19
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This is media that has aged well, but it's always funny to show people for the first time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOMA_S57J8A
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Mooseontheloose posted:I think people are WAY too harsh on The West Wing. Noel is one of the best written pieces of television ever. I get if you don't enjoy the politics and think its centrist but the show often points out that people are right to be disappointed in Bartlett because he often governors towards the middle and that there is a lot of smug sanctimony coming from the staff. Yes, the characters' arrogance is shown to be a character flaw, and they are often punished for it. However most of the time they still expect you to sympathize with them. And there is a complete naiveté about the inner workings of politics. Not always, the show wildly reels between idealism and cynicism about the political process like a drunk rhinoceros. The irony is that the show demonstrates very clearly how those Clinton style centrist compromises are barren victories, and doesn't even understand that the Bartlett presidency is a failed presidency (aside from the hopelessly naive Israel-Palestine deal).
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The Josh and Donna storyline is my guilty pleasure but some of that is very messy. But at least the later seasons acknowledge that he's an rear end in a top hat, and she gets to leave, and they don't get together
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Desert Bus posted:This is media that has aged well, but it's always funny to show people for the first time: Was that Rowdy or Steven? I don’t remember this episode AT ALL
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Imperador do Brasil posted:Was that Rowdy or Steven? It's the ONLY thing I remember from that show.
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NorgLyle posted:I think that if Sports Night had 5 more seasons then it would be remembered about as well as Studio 60 (which does hold the record, I think, for fastest and most hilarious crash and burn). There's still a lot to like about Sports Night and it is helped by the simple fact that sports don't actually matter at all and so it never had the opportunity to get "deep". I mean, late night comedy doesn't matter at all either, and that didn't stop Studio 60 from treating it with holy reverence.
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Desert Bus posted:It's the ONLY thing I remember from that show. For some odd reason this clip fills me with a kind of existential dread. Like, I feel nauseous watching it even though I recognize it's ridiculous schlock. Didn't some website do a deep dive on it in the last few years?
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PriorMarcus posted:For some odd reason this clip fills me with a kind of existential dread. Like, I feel nauseous watching it even though I recognize it's ridiculous schlock. There are a bunch, but I think this is the only one i've ever read: https://www.theringer.com/tv/2017/8/10/16122384/one-tree-hill-dog-eats-dans-heart-oral-history
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Angry Salami posted:I mean, late night comedy doesn't matter at all either, and that didn't stop Studio 60 from treating it with holy reverence.
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NorgLyle posted:I have a Sorkin question: do you think he actually thinks Gilbert & Sullivan is hilarious or do you think he thinks it makes him look 'smart' to include Gilbert & Sullivan in basically every show where nobody has the power to stop him? People like that work more on references than understanding/enjoyment (like goons sometimes), Gilbert and Sullivan stuff was being turned into films during Sorkin's childhood, and it was like a thing from an older generation/time. He's basically just a weirdo putting loss.jpg into everything, or the jazz loving Tim Heidecker character from the ITYSL skit, except our parent's age.
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NorgLyle posted:I have a Sorkin question: do you think he actually thinks Gilbert & Sullivan is hilarious or do you think he thinks it makes him look 'smart' to include Gilbert & Sullivan in basically every show where nobody has the power to stop him? Much like classical in Star Trek, I think Sorkin uses it as a substitute for what he think high class people are like. I will say, the one think Sorkin('s) team does amazing is casting. The actors he gets punch up his stuff so much, it's incredible. West Wing wouldn't of been half as good if it weren't for that cast lifting it up.
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By this logic, does this mean Sorkin is on the level of cline?
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Inspector Gesicht posted:By this logic, does this mean Sorkin is on the level of CineD*
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Mooseontheloose posted:Much like classical in Star Trek, I think Sorkin uses it as a substitute for what he think high class people are like. Gilbert and Sullivan comes up with some frequency in Star Trek itself.
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And Mass Effect
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Every now and then I'll catch an old EP of the Golden Girls, and it's still loving good.
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Baron von Eevl posted:This is the first I've seen it and the "sir, I just wanted you and your crew to know..." was literally jaw dropping. This got me to watch the clip, and with no context or idea what was going on, I really thought the pilot was a bad guy, based on how he examined his uniform. But, no, Bin Laden is dead? Holy poo poo, what, who the gently caress acts like that? That goes for any of the people on that plane, what the hell is wrong with them?
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Aramek posted:Every now and then I'll catch an old EP of the Golden Girls, and it's still loving good. That show had a few creative ways of calling someone a slut. "Not all of us are classified by the Navy as a friendly port" stuck with me.
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Leave posted:This got me to watch the clip, and with no context or idea what was going on, I really thought the pilot was a bad guy, based on how he examined his uniform. But, no, Bin Laden is dead? Every societal subculture has their own version of a power fantasy where the characters exist in a world specifically created for people just like them to win simply because they were right all along and it's right and proper for someone with their specific values to triumph in the end - conservatives have oldskool action heroes (Eastwood's Dirty Harry etc), geeks have stuff like Revenge Of The Nerds (which has NOT aged well but there's a lot of other examples), lonely kids who got ostracized at school have Harry Potter, science nerds have Ghostbusters, and succlibs have The West Wing and The Newsroom
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