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I can't see why it isn't possible to make avatar changes only available to a logged in user so you can see who has been paying for them, regardless of whatever details you can and can't get from the payment processor and also change it so only register users with a certain amount of posts and regdate != Today can buy them. If that doesn't stop people making burner accounts to buy them at least it'll make them traceable.
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I mostly wanna catch dumbasses doing it within the community and punish them
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Aug 22, 2023 21:45
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The mods must be doing a pretty good job because I am never there to see anyone's doxxed info.
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Aug 22, 2023 21:51
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ArfJason posted:present case and similar ones excluded, ive always found them a badge of honor, because you made someone angry enough to spend money to change your avatar into an impotent rant, and thats the crux of it; they spent money, youve won before you even knew there was a fight lol what the gently caress lmao nobody wants to be doxxed, public information is public and anyone psychotic enough to use it to harass someone will do it. SA can either make it easy or make it hard, it's completely on the platform to provide some semblance of safety. the current policy makes it unbelievably easy in a way that would absolutely not fly in current year if the forums were any larger or more prominent than they are. this is really weird victim blaming, i don't get it at all.
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Aug 22, 2023 21:58
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Engorged Pedipalps posted:What is this suggestion, other than "popular posters get account level protection from forums culture"? I think this is a pretty pessimistic view of things. I mean, the way it works right now is that any mod of any subforum can blank an avatar. That is way more prone to favoritism, especially when it's interforum nonsense, but it's almost never abused that way The suggestion is recognizing the fact that we're talking about only a handful of situations where the avatar system is being used for abuse. I remember awhile back Fluffdaddy saying that a noticeable perk of being admin is that people can no longer buy him awful racist avatars because admin accounts already have this protection. It'd be neat if it was something admins could grant to other people and not just a side benefit of being admin ultimately we should do both, it just seems like there's a great deal of reluctance (or technical infeasibility) to modify things at a store level, whereas the account protection flag apparently already exists for the admin user group
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Now I've thought about it for a few seconds, yeah, i can see it'd be pretty hard/impossible to know which registered user bought a title if the payment processor won't give any details.
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mr_jolly posted:Now I've thought about it for a few seconds, yeah, i can see it'd be pretty hard/impossible to know which registered user bought a title if the payment processor won't give any details. When the user makes the request for the purchase you make a call to the server to retrieve their user info. Idk how easy that is, I’m just saying that’s how you’d implement it, you don’t really care about the payment info if they’re already logged into their account.
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Aug 22, 2023 22:02
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Well at the very least there should be something in place to pull the info for cases when an actual crime is committed
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Aug 22, 2023 22:04
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That wasn't victim blaming, and I didn't take arf's post that way.
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Aug 22, 2023 22:16
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wild how "protect your personal information online" became "victim blaming"
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Aug 22, 2023 22:21
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i think we can all agree you should be careful what info you share online and also that the site shouldn't have a way to anonymously post doxx info on peoples posts.
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Potassium Problems posted:wild how "protect your personal information online" became "victim blaming" It's shifting the entire burden onto the victim so it's hardly sympathetic to victims.
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Aug 22, 2023 22:27
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Potassium Problems posted:wild how "protect your personal information online" became "victim blaming" The harasser is the social problem. Unless one of the forum sorcerers can curse the offender they are immune to our social opprobrium. That’s the problem— non members can buy members avs.
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Aug 22, 2023 22:28
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Potassium Problems posted:wild how "protect your personal information online" became "victim blaming" referring to getting doxxed as 'slipping up' and saying 'just don't let it happen' is absolutely victim blaming, it is the textbook definition of victim blaming. you do not have to 'slip up' or 'let it happen' to get doxxed or attacked. it's like saying 'just lock your car' to someone whose window was shattered and their poo poo stolen out of the back seat. without even asking them if the car door was locked in the first place
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Aug 22, 2023 22:34
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I was the one who said I slipped up, I literally used the word mistake when describing how I got doxxed. He was reiterating what I said, not making a judgement. He's repeatedly said he's not making a judgement.
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Aug 22, 2023 22:41
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lol this forum is somehow designed to ensure people take the absolute worst possible reading of a post. unreal
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I, however, AM victim blaming. gently caress you.
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it really sucks about what happened to boba pearl. good on vyelkin for the quick blankings
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Arf is right, getting really angry avatars is funny as fuckin hell, and it's probably a good idea to never show any personal info or pics of yourself on the internet because there are insane freaks who will .docx everything you've ever said and put the pieces together like Ultra Brown Moses But it sucks that this isn't a place where people can be genuine and share personal real stuff too (to a degree) without the fear of getting crimed on, because it should be, and that's what Jeff should focus on We used to literally have a homegroan porn forum I think, right? lol
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WarpDogs posted:I think this is a pretty pessimistic view of things. I mean, the way it works right now is that any mod of any subforum can blank an avatar. That is way more prone to favoritism, especially when it's interforum nonsense, but it's almost never abused that way I get this, but it's really easy to see a situation where somebody requests this protection and gets turned down because their post count is too low or the person harassing them is well liked Most of our rules are already applied this way which is pretty frustrating sometimes, just seems like one more thing we're gonna deny people when they don't land on the right side of the right posters . Engorged Pedipalps fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Aug 23, 2023 |
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People intentionally misreading Arf's post to get mad are lame as hell so instead I want to circle back around to this:Boba Pearl posted:
Now I'm imagining the alternate universe reign of Empress Boba. Does she rule with an iron fist, or does she also consume the cursed Lowtax Goldbelly and fall into a thousand years of sleep?
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:what the gently caress lmao unless i misread it, the point was that the only genuine protection anyone has, is to keep the amount of personally identifying information connected to their online persona as low as possible, because there's legitimately no way to fully stop online stalking/harassment, due to how effortless it is for people to use VPNs and new emails etc. to bypass any kind of barrier or deterrent if they're really determined to gently caress with someone, and that because of this, looking for a full web-based solution to it isn't gonna be successful for this situation, or any other online stalking harassment scenario its good advice
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lol theres a freak rage-buying avatars for people in the gbs ukraine thread and theyre all a picture of me. very normal behavior
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HonorableTB posted:lol theres a freak rage-buying avatars for people in the gbs ukraine thread and theyre all a picture of me. very normal behavior Well have you considered not posting pictures of yourself on the internet?! Just loving with you, you're a good poster I like seeing your poo poo. It's almost endearing in a way that someone wants everyone to see your face all the time, have you thought that maybe they are just in love with you?
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ArfJason posted:but anyway, i think most goons misinterpret the main point i was getting at, which isnt to throw your hands up and not implement any measures to make it more inconvenient, but that the real solution is to just not have the info out there at all. This is not chastising ppl for slipping up, im just begging you for your sanity and safety to not let it happen to you in the first place, because these technological implementations are not solutions for a social problem. I appreciate the sentiment, but large swathes of the forum stop becoming useable if that's taken to the degree necessary to prevent doxxing. This state of affairs is likely a contributing factor in userbase declines and population shifts.
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Ironhead posted:Well have you considered not posting pictures of yourself on the internet?! the massive amount of compression needed to turn that photo into something av sized resulted in a photo from 2003
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Discendo Vox posted:I appreciate the sentiment, but large swathes of the forum stop becoming useable if that's taken to the degree necessary to prevent doxxing. RIP to the post pictures of yourself, home address, and place of work megathread
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Arf isn’t victim blaming lmao he’s giving Correct Advice on information hygiene online. Ffs. I can’t even post sardonically or smugly I’m too vaguely annoyed
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Space Camp fuckup posted:RIP to the post pictures of yourself, home address, and place of work megathread mother's maiden name thread still going strong tho
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"Don't post your information on the internet" is good advice and something everyone should heed, full stop. In the context of this discussion, where the information was obtained and abused already, the advice becomes "Just don't have posted your information on the internet ever in the past," which is... not possible. Should people take the advice, and, in the future, refrain from posting personal information? Yes. Does the advice help here, where someone was harmed and the mechanisms of the site prevent apprehending the person who did the harm? No. I'm not gonna be mad at someone posting a good rule of thumb. It isn't a way to solve this situation.
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how are you loving idiots reading victim blaming in that for the love of god
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Discendo Vox posted:I appreciate the sentiment, but large swathes of the forum stop becoming useable if that's taken to the degree necessary to prevent doxxing. This state of affairs is likely a contributing factor in userbase declines and population shifts. Your avatar is also a picture of you.
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HonorableTB posted:lol theres a freak rage-buying avatars for people in the gbs ukraine thread and theyre all a picture of me. very normal behavior a second dox has hit the forums
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ArfJason posted:how are you loving idiots reading victim blaming in that for the love of god if you don't want people to misunderstand you, just don't slip up and say something that means something that you don't mean. just don't let it happen, you know?
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if your information is available to bad people, no amount of technological trickery will prevent it being posted on a platform for posting This is victim blaming, apparently
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teemolover42069 posted:if you don't want people to misunderstand you, just don't slip up and say something that means something that you don't mean. just don't let it happen, you know? im not tut tutting her over this so that she can feel bad in retrospect, im telling everyone else to look at this and be extra alert, and that this proposed solution isnt something to fully rely on. hell, even the person youre supposedly standing for agrees, but hey, maybe in the next rereg for being a dipshit noone likes you might make a valuable point, homie
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ArfJason posted:im not tut tutting her over this so that she can feel bad in retrospect, im telling everyone else to look at this and be extra alert, and that this proposed solution isnt something to fully rely on. hell, even the person youre supposedly standing for agrees, but hey, maybe in the next rereg for being a dipshit noone likes you might make a valuable point, homie lmao it's a joke arf, are you ok? i mean i really do disagree with you but that's ok, it's not a big deal, nothing to get upset about. everything alright with you?
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I agree with Arfjason is saying, and was sharing how I got doxxed because I wanted to show how easy it was. I'm so loving exhausted with this conversation, so I'm stepping out of it, but PLEASE be careful. That's all anyone is saying. Be careful. You deserve to take care of your personal info. That's all, no more needs to be inferred.
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teemolover42069 posted:lmao it's a joke arf, are you ok? i mean i really do disagree with you but that's ok, it's not a big deal, nothing to get upset about. everything alright with you? ah, my apologies for taking doxxing and stalking seriously, but hey you managed to get the victim to leave the place she was venting and seeking help at. Great job being an ally 
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