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Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Shiroc posted:

I had a guy yell at me from their car about wearing a mask a few weeks ago.

I had a guy chase me down in his truck for calling code enforcement on him, therefore all general contractors are out to get all of us. simple as.

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Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme
Gonna go out on a limb and say that I don't want "us" or "them" to get covid, or to get PASC if we/they do.

Game-wise, I played Stray a few weeks ago and my cat did indeed spend a lot of time watching my character jump around the city :3:

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Lib and let die posted:

I had a guy chase me down in his truck for calling code enforcement on him, therefore all general contractors are out to get all of us. simple as.

They are though. Have you not worked with any general contractors?

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

Zugzwang posted:


Game-wise, I played Stray a few weeks ago and my cat did indeed spend a lot of time watching my character jump around the city :3:

this is also on the list

so much backlog, so much having to work to remain sheltered :(

nexous
Jan 14, 2003

I just want to be pure

Lib and let die posted:

I had a guy chase me down in his truck for calling code enforcement on him, therefore all general contractors are out to get all of us. simple as.

general contractors are all out to get us and our money. which is why I use unlicensed labor from undocumented immigrants and pay and treat them well

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
IM PIZZA POSTIN OVAH HEAH




home made chicken alfredo pizza. used the king arthur quick thin crust recipe today.

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!
i don't think every post in this thread should have to come with footnotes with supporting evidence for why it was (a) just a shitpost/tounge-in cheek, (b) a uh "witty" reference to thread lore, (c) exaggerated for comedic effect or due to exasperation, (d) the product of a sound and normal mind, as evidenced by links [1],[2], and [3], just so that it can't be interpreted in the most bad-faith way possible.

nexous
Jan 14, 2003

I just want to be pure

silicone thrills posted:

IM PIZZA POSTIN OVAH HEAH




home made chicken alfredo pizza. used the king arthur quick thin crust recipe today.

should post that beauty in the what did you eat for dinner thread

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3967220&perpage=40&pagenumber=103&noseen=1

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
I havent really posted in gbs since the great whatever the gently caress happened of 2015? Is it like normal now over there?

nexous
Jan 14, 2003

I just want to be pure
idk about the rest of gbs but that thread is chill. check out gambits pizzas for inspiration

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

silicone thrills posted:

I havent really posted in gbs since the great whatever the gently caress happened of 2015? Is it like normal now over there?

I went into the GBS ukraine war thread once a few months ago and that was something.

e: i see they had to make an explicit rule in the thread op to stop calling russians "orcs"

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

silicone thrills posted:

I havent really posted in gbs since the great whatever the gently caress happened of 2015? Is it like normal now over there?

no idea but avoid their war thread

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

silicone thrills posted:

I havent really posted in gbs since the great whatever the gently caress happened of 2015? Is it like normal now over there?

it's normal by USA standards at large I'd say

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Way to eat a ban +30 in the SAD thread.

Semper Posts, my Goon

Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late
I just saw posters for a Janelle Monáe show next week and now need to decide how much I trust my respirator.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Shiroc posted:

I just saw posters for a Janelle Monáe show next week and now need to decide how much I trust my respirator.

you should go and trust your respirator 100%. I fully support.

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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Shiroc posted:

I just saw posters for a Janelle Monáe show next week and now need to decide how much I trust my respirator.

get out the good respirator, the variants are only going downhill from here if this is Omicron 2 and, well the weather and security situation on top likely mean this is the last chance where the risk profile is liable to be acceptable.

MjolnirMan
Aug 15, 2006
It's Hammertime

Petey posted:

The only addition I have to say is that my understanding is that now that Paxlovid is fully authorized, it can be prescribed off-label for several reasons, including in advance of e.g. travel, or because you are worried about future access generally. For example, I got a prescribed course of Paxlovid before a two-week trip in Japan this summer, in case I tested positive while there and couldn't get access to it while abroad. I now have a box of Paxlovid on hand because I didn't end up testing positive.
Fun fact, Leana Wen of all people seems to agree with you and endorse this strategy as of this month:

quote:

Washington Post Opinion: The Checkup With Dr. Wen: Paxlovid is still underutilized. That must change. August 3, 2023
If you have decided you will take Paxlovid in the event of infection, know how and where you will obtain it. There is no shortage of the drug, and most pharmacies in the United States carry it. The key is to start the antiviral as soon as you are diagnosed. This medication works by stopping viral replication, and studies have shown that it is most effective when started within five days of symptoms showing up.

If you are traveling out of the country, discuss with your physician about whether you could have a “just in case” prescription. Some readers have said their doctors aren’t willing to do this. “I’ve been told by my internist that Paxlovid can only be prescribed if covid positive,” Lisa from Michigan wrote. “Has the protocol changed?”

Meanwhile, I have a fun timely story for whomever it was saying there was no Paxlovid gatekeeping and to always trust most medical doctors. I was supposed to get dinner with a friend who is an Ivy League educated epidemiologist and works for a health department (so, pretty high on the ladder of medical privilege). She called to cancel because she just got COVID for the first time by letting her guard down a bit recently and stopped wearing N95s on public transit. When I asked if she was able to get Paxlovid, she replied that she asked her PCP but "he advised against it" and elaborated:

quote:

He said that right now it’s indicated only if people have shortness of breath and that it comes with risk of side effects and risk of rebound COVID symptoms 2 weeks later.
Since basically none of that is true, upon my urging, she called the PCP back after hours to reiterate her symptoms ("chills, muscle aches, headache, sore throat, shortness of breath at the end of a deep breath, turning into coughing at the end") and directly request Paxlovid. The result?

quote:

He's still saying he doesn't think I need it because it's not severe shortness of breath.
Thankfully, she has now gone through Dr.B, which funnily enough uses the official FDA prescription criteria whereby severe shortness of breath is disqualifying for Paxlovid because you're supposed to go to the ER and get IV remdesivir instead if you have that symptom (or any severe symptoms). So, that's one doctor I would not trust over random people on Something Awful Dot Com, since it seems like they are factually incorrect and potentially putting people at severe risk in a way that you can easily look up.

While that friend was suffering for days, someone else I convinced to HOARD a course in advance was able to start taking it immediately when they got COVID for the first time this month, so, you know, which situation would you rather your loved ones be in? I know I for one would always pick, "die on the hill of defending the integrity of the for-profit American healthcare system" and any criticism of that system should obviously be bannable.

MjolnirMan has issued a correction as of 02:26 on Aug 23, 2023

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Is there any comparison of the Cue tests versus Aptitude Metrix tests? The Metrix are cheaper. Are they good enough?

PoundSand
Jul 30, 2021

Also proficient with kites

yoloer420 posted:

I think it's just the concept that there needs to be a special justification to avoid covid. Many people in the thread are avoiding it because it causes long term harm in a significant portion of (if not all) cases.

That idea upsets people.
I honestly don't get that impression from the complaints. Most of the stuff is tangible if somewhat embellished and the things getting focused on tend to look a bit unhinged from the outside. I think takes like this make the thread look worse than it is, and the first dozen or two pages of this reboot were both much better and much slower paced when it didn't seem like everyone was fighting a forums war. If people just post normally without this aura of being the true apostles of covid I don't think there will be much criticism that people are still tracking data and taking precautions against getting sick. Just don't engage with it and it'll go away but posting about concern trolls or trying to double down on justifying some posts a lot of other people already think are weird has more or less never worked out in history of qcs or sad.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

brap posted:

Is there any comparison of the Cue tests versus Aptitude Metrix tests? The Metrix are cheaper. Are they good enough?

Oh wow a new home NAAT test? Sound gr-



D'oh

I don't see anything on their website about test specificity or agreement with a benchmark lab PCR so, unclear whether it's better/worse/the same as Cue.

e: found it https://www.fda.gov/media/162403/download. Comparison with benchmark is on pages 30 onward but someone else will have to look at Cue's to see if they're better or worse since I need to go.

The Oldest Man has issued a correction as of 02:34 on Aug 23, 2023

TehSaurus
Jun 12, 2006

nexous posted:

we don’t really have a choice, do we? “get a second opinion” is something people who have never had to get a second opinion say.

insurance won’t cover it, you’ll end up waiting at least 3 months for a non referred appointment. so you just hope the dr you got referred to knows what they are doing, isn’t having a bad day, etc.

I’m thinking they’ve never actually needed anything that wasn’t utterly trivial. My mom’s orthopedic surgeon prescribed her naproxen even though he knew she has chronic kidney disease. My wife has seen a litany of specialists over decades and it took one of the absolute best surgeons in his field to realize that she has an extra vertebra and maybe that is the cause of some of her chronic issues. I’ve seen a doctor fill a man’s circulatory system with glue, killing him. That doctor is still practicing and to the best of my knowledge suffered no consequences despite a rich and storied history of terrible outcomes. Doctors ignore and downplay common chronic conditions because they don’t affect white men. They are a key component of the apparatus of structural discrimination.

Plenty of them are just idiot fail sons that don’t give a gently caress. The unfortunate reality is that you need to be your own advocate because any doctor could permanently gently caress you up any time you interact with the healthcare system. If you aren’t sophisticated enough to advocate for yourself, and you’re not wealthy enough to have access to the best doctors (the ones that don’t take any insurance) then good loving luck to you.

I hope Fosborb will accept my preemptive apology for the report this post is sure to generate!

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
cue was funny and prominent for a few months of like late 2020-21? (my sense of time scale might be off) when google and other tech companies were trying to get people to go back to work fast and so they gave a ton of employees cue testing set ups and then people held parties where they all infected each other because not everyone would test and probably just the lag time on detection.

salient
Jan 2, 2021

MjolnirMan posted:

While that friend was suffering for days, someone else I convinced to HOARD a course in advance was able to start taking it immediately when they got COVID for the first time this month, so, you know, which situation would you rather your loved ones be in? I know I for one would always pick, "die on the hill of defending the integrity of the for-profit American healthcare system" and any criticism of that system should obviously be bannable.

i have spent this entire pandemic caring for patients and watching people die of covid. i would much prefer people with no serious contraindications keep 1-2 boxes of paxlovid in their home to begin treatment as soon as they test positive or are presumptive positive. there has been so much needless suffering and death. it hasn't stopped. please take care of yourself and your loved ones because the government will not. the concern trolling about this has been ridiculous to witness.

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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I have sympathy with this position, but not the place to talk it or poo poo related.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


So what do people think will happen with paxlovid? Seems to me there are two very powerful forces, on the one hand the managerial state wants covid to go away and so treatments for the thing that doesn't exist have to go away too, on the other hand the pharma companies make money off of it, so

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

icantfindaname posted:

So what do people think will happen with paxlovid? Seems to me there are two very powerful forces, on the one hand the managerial state wants covid to go away and so treatments for the thing that doesn't exist have to go away too, on the other hand the pharma companies make money off of it, so

it will be a thing you can get if you have insurance.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

salient posted:

i have spent this entire pandemic caring for patients and watching people die of covid. i would much prefer people with no serious contraindications keep 1-2 boxes of paxlovid in their home to begin treatment as soon as they test positive or are presumptive positive. there has been so much needless suffering and death. it hasn't stopped. please take care of yourself and your loved ones because the government will not. the concern trolling about this has been ridiculous to witness.

Yup

PoundSand
Jul 30, 2021

Also proficient with kites

icantfindaname posted:

So what do people think will happen with paxlovid? Seems to me there are two very powerful forces, on the one hand the managerial state wants covid to go away and so treatments for the thing that doesn't exist have to go away too, on the other hand the pharma companies make money off of it, so
I think there's a strong argument the managerial state doesn't want a lot of restrictions associated with Covid and that led to us not seriously handling the pandemic during it's spread but that's because they want people back at work, not out of a desire to just cull the population. To that end anything that helps mitigate the effects of Covid that doesn't really disrupt their business would be seen as a positive. Even in my pretty conservative area where local gov resisted WA lockdowns as much as possible and hated Inslee for demanding anything of them, most companies were still fairly pro vaccine for example.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

mawarannahr posted:

Dark Triad guy going to osteopathic school cause he heard they train you to manipulate people at sociopath school

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

icantfindaname posted:

So what do people think will happen with paxlovid? Seems to me there are two very powerful forces, on the one hand the managerial state wants covid to go away and so treatments for the thing that doesn't exist have to go away too, on the other hand the pharma companies make money off of it, so

Well in Europe they just set eligibility requirements at an inaccessible level. In the US an attempt till be made to make it an insurance cost, which will be entirely balked at by anything but the most insanely expensive insurance. Probably some insurance will have it technically available if an in-network doctor prescribes it (you just have to make an appointment next week).

Beyond that you will have a limited multi-tiered private market. Some will be able to get Pax on a subscription (as already happened with the *clonals and tests), while piecemeal purchase will be priced at a couple of grand.

The state certainly won't make a purchase again.

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005

people ITT after the collapse

https://i.imgur.com/hns1Lnu.mp4

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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We'll get those 3 vinegar collective or whatever idiots trying to cook up a batch and poison a few people...

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

on the other hand, COVID can't be over and defeated if the federal government continues to underwrite paxlovid. some sort of yearly vaccination program is much more likely, although if you were to have mentioned that possibility two years ago you would have been denounced as antivax.

COVID might not be like the flu but the formal response will be the same, except worse and more hidden

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!

"after"

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

PoundSand posted:

To that end anything that helps mitigate the effects of Covid that doesn't really disrupt their business would be seen as a positive. Even in my pretty conservative area where local gov resisted WA lockdowns as much as possible and hated Inslee for demanding anything of them, most companies were still fairly pro vaccine for example.

when you say "mitigate the effects of Covid" do you mean the effects/symptoms of an individual's particular case? or the rolling and now perennial effects at a societal level

because masks don't disrupt like... most businesses. and everyone loving hated them from the jump. nobody sees masks as a positive.

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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bedpan posted:

on the other hand, COVID can't be over and defeated if the federal government continues to underwrite paxlovid. some sort of yearly vaccination program is much more likely, although if you were to have mentioned that possibility two years ago you would have been denounced as antivax.

COVID might not be like the flu but the formal response will be the same, except worse and more hidden

There's also the fact that with the rate of the varients getting worse, the current approach simply won't work indefinitely, no matter what the CDC is trying to say.

nexous
Jan 14, 2003

I just want to be pure
the US has ordered more than 50% of all globally produced paxlovid courses. I’d be concerned about pax resistant variants if there weren’t 8 billion people who couldn’t get pax making new strains

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

StratGoatCom posted:

There's also the fact that with the rate of the varients getting worse, the current approach simply won't work indefinitely, no matter what the CDC is trying to say.

this is antivax

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Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Remember you can always ask your doctor for things.

And you should listen to your doctor so if they agree to give you something for a certain purpose then it's okay, even if it doesn't align with the prevailing medical advice given to doctors by other authorities. COVID posters say you should do X but doctor gives you a script for it anyway? All good.

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