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apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
Theres still time.

Itd be funny.

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Franks Happy Place posted:

This is like if I went into YOSPOS and made you white collar computer touchers read post after post about, I dunno, how Netflix loads slow because they didn't program it in TCL/TK and host it on an Icelandic bare metal server

There are maybe two people ITT who post in YOSPOS

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

War gives the right to the conquerors to impose any condition they please upon the vanquished.
I lurk and, at one point, used to touch computers for money.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Franks Happy Place posted:

This is like if I went into YOSPOS and made you white collar computer touchers read post after post about, I dunno, how Netflix loads slow because they didn't program it in TCL/TK and host it on an Icelandic bare metal server

okay but there's nothing incorrect about your hypothetical???

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
I'm just saying, don't blame YOSPOS for these loving nerds.

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.
Well here's a taster for you good folx:

You know how Canada's edibles are stupidly expensive for the dose because, unlike every other jurisdiction with legal weed, we cap max dose per package at 10mg, rather than just 10mg per dose like Colorado or whatever?

Well the net result of that is that edibles are driving the entire black market in Canada (well that and the tax structure being so ludicrously out of line it adds 65% to the average final cost but I digress). People maybe want 50mg or whatever, it's not surprising!

Beyond the obviously short sighted self inflicted wound this represents in terms of legalization, the net effect is:

a) most edibles you see are illegal, and typically have cutesy ripoff branding that looks just like normal candy, which leads to every single instance of a kid going to ER from edibles you have ever seen, and

b) 95 per cent of edibles being consumed are untested which is really specifically bad when you think about food safety and cannabis pesticides and poo poo

Two years ago some genius at Indiva realized, hey, we can't do edibles that are 10mg per dose, but we can do capsules like that! Let's make "capsules" with no caloric value using stevia/wood alcohol sugars/whatever that isn't technically food but basically is gummies.

And lo and behold those and another product called Glitches from Aurora became the market leader in the category, rapidly pulling market share from the black market. For nearly eighteen months they were possibly the most important product in the legal system.

So what does Health Canada do? Why, try to ban them nearly two years after approving them!

Cue months of absolute disaster tier panic, followed by a lawsuit from the producers on the grounds that HC had not shown any actual harms or reason to pull something actively in market back, followed by everyone and their mother on the production side switching to the far less optimal alternative, which was boosting gummies with CBN, CBC, and other minor cannabanoids that are far less psychoactive. Sales toileted, but at least people who absolutely relied on legal cannabis had something that helps with pain/sleeping (CBN in particular is knockout sauce).

HC lost that lawsuit just a few weeks ago. Judge told them they were dumb but only threw it back on procedural grounds, which we know means HC is free to reenact the ban with better rationale.

Why are we so certain they will ignore common sense?

Because they just announced a blanket ban on using CBN and CBG in addition to the THC cap, making the remaining gummies illegal.

I hope this small anecdotal story from my world explains what the weather over here is like.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
that's pretty fuckin drat stupid.

now can you stand up that netflix server you mentioned? i want to see if it'll load star trek faster.

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

War gives the right to the conquerors to impose any condition they please upon the vanquished.
I just send the same ol' signal message and 30 minutes later a guy named travis hands me an envelope with gummies of whatever dosage I want.

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

ZShakespeare posted:

I just send the same ol' signal message and 30 minutes later a guy named travis hands me an envelope with gummies of whatever dosage I want.

Yes, this is true for most of the country, which is why Health Canada actively making this fact worse, in spite of all of the demonstrable negative effects of people being pushed into eating unregulated edibles, angry pushback from key stakeholders including indigenous partners, and lost court challenges is a bit annoying!

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
Not posta use "stakeholders" anymore.
Its racist

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

War gives the right to the conquerors to impose any condition they please upon the vanquished.

apatheticman posted:

Not posta use "stakeholders" anymore.
Its racist

Yeah. I'm vegan and it's very offensive.

Chillyrabbit
Oct 24, 2012

The only sword wielding rabbit on the internet



Ultra Carp
I hate how this funny, yet also serious answer can probably solve the HC problem of being dumb.

Get a couple of LPC MP's invested into Cannabis edibles, and surprise it will magically become legal to get higher doses.

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

War gives the right to the conquerors to impose any condition they please upon the vanquished.
A perfect example of the free market working.

Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

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Grimey Drawer
Just let us do what we want you loving HC nerds.

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.
Yeah but that won't fix something like:

The fact that I had to shut down a lucrative distro deal with a BC based, sustainable outdoor hemp producer of world class smoking grade CBD flower, for the sole reason that because it was testing at just over the 0.3 per cent THC limit, Heath Canada

a) automatically designates it "cannabis", and
b) taxes said "cannabis" at the minimum price of one dollar per gram, on product with a wholesale value of $0.03 per gram.

So what was supposed to be lovely, affordable, sustainably grown smoking hemp for people to use to help quit smoking or reduce their THC intake or whatever was destroyed as an economic activity by Health Canada's desired *checks notes* 33,000% tax rate.

No amount of traditional Laurentian Consensus corruption is going to save us from this poo poo. I haven't even told you guys about how Health Canada's archaic rules around there being zero threshold for beneficial microbial count means that most weed gets flown/trucked thousands and thousands of kilometers around the country just so it can be irradiated for absolutely no defined health or safety reason.

Or how cannabis produces astronomically more unrecyclable consumer plastic than any other CPG product and is specifically exempted from the government's own sustainability rules because Health Canada are petty tyrants nobody dares to cross.

Or how the feds STILL haven't settled the outstanding court injunction against their own medical program, nearly six years later, but continue to let private for profit companies poo poo up the medical cannabis system unopposed, like running diagnosis and prescription clinics that are run by the licensed producers themselves using their own doctors and that only sign you up for their own company's menu. (That deafening silence you hear is all of the people who are deeply concerned about precedents in privatization saying absolutely gently caress all because weed is icky)

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.
I'm sure you are all sick of this derail and would like to get back to yelling about the Greenbelt or whatever, I'm just saying: I don't want to ever get my pilot's license, but if you told me that Transport Canada was loving up private pilot licensing so bad it looked like the long gun registry and the Phoenix payroll system had a baby and that baby cost ten billion dollars a year, and also just coincidentally not one single indigenous person in the country was ever granted their licenses for REASONS, I would probably take note and spread the word, just saying

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Franks Happy Place posted:

I'm sure you are all sick of this derail and would like to get back to yelling about the Greenbelt or whatever, I'm just saying: I don't want to ever get my pilot's license, but if you told me that Transport Canada was loving up private pilot licensing so bad it looked like the long gun registry and the Phoenix payroll system had a baby and that baby cost ten billion dollars a year, and also just coincidentally not one single indigenous person in the country was ever granted their licenses for REASONS, I would probably take note and spread the word, just saying

No actually I’m finding this quite interesting. Please continue. (While making tcl/tk Netflix. Chop chop.)

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

War gives the right to the conquerors to impose any condition they please upon the vanquished.
I don't know we could go back to jerking off about voting.

Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

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Grimey Drawer
I am also interested in how I'm being hosed out of my right to good cheap weed.

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

War gives the right to the conquerors to impose any condition they please upon the vanquished.
EXXON STRIKES AGAIN FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

War gives the right to the conquerors to impose any condition they please upon the vanquished.
I am now against big oil.

Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

Taskmaster 2023 Second Place Winner

Grimey Drawer

ZShakespeare posted:

EXXON STRIKES AGAIN FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE



Say a prayer to Saint Joe.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Franks Happy Place posted:

I'm sure you are all sick of this derail and would like to get back to yelling about the Greenbelt or whatever, I'm just saying: I don't want to ever get my pilot's license, but if you told me that Transport Canada was loving up private pilot licensing so bad it looked like the long gun registry and the Phoenix payroll system had a baby and that baby cost ten billion dollars a year, and also just coincidentally not one single indigenous person in the country was ever granted their licenses for REASONS, I would probably take note and spread the word, just saying

Luckily, as a flight instructor, I can assure you that Transport Canada is loving up very badly indeed, but they've exempted themselves from their own inability to do their job. Most recently, it took five months for me to have a renewal processed, but luckily they've afforded themselves until 2026 to deal with the backlog. I've had a medical examination every year. and yet the last one actually processed by TC was in 2019.

The best I can say about them is: it's not racism, they just struggle to perform their basic functions.

Again, as much as I loathe the Conservatives, I don't see how I can support the sclerotic government that the Liberals have created. The Minister [of transport] grants all these exemptions and such, and I doubt he has the insight into the air traffic system that God gave a goose.

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



ZShakespeare posted:

I am now against big oil.

Try the small batch microbrewery, Esso.

Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

Taskmaster 2023 Second Place Winner

Grimey Drawer

PT6A posted:

Luckily, as a flight instructor, I can assure you that Transport Canada is loving up very badly indeed, but they've exempted themselves from their own inability to do their job. Most recently, it took five months for me to have a renewal processed, but luckily they've afforded themselves until 2026 to deal with the backlog. I've had a medical examination every year. and yet the last one actually processed by TC was in 2019.

The best I can say about them is: it's not racism, they just struggle to perform their basic functions.

Again, as much as I loathe the Conservatives, I don't see how I can support the sclerotic government that the Liberals have created. The Minister [of transport] grants all these exemptions and such, and I doubt he has the insight into the air traffic system that God gave a goose.

So vote for someone other than the cons or libs.

Pleads
Jun 9, 2005

pew pew pew


The shittiest thing about the Libs bailing on electoral reform was they were and are the only (slim, vague, impossible, never-to-happen) chance of it happening in the future, still. The Cons never will, they only get majorities via our hosed system. The NDPs never will, they'll never hold power because they're feckless cowards.

We can punish the Libs by not voting for them because of it but best case it doesn't matter at all and worst case it vote-splits a tight riding.

Gutting the Libs from within and replacing them with actually good people is kinda the only way but also impossible because the gap between the people who want that change and the people who don't, when it comes to running a successful campaign, is just continuing to widen.

Gosh darnit.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Charles Bukowski posted:

So vote for someone other than the cons or libs.

I've tried that the past two elections, it doesn't appear to be working.

And with Jagmeet "Throw Money at Mortgages" Singh, even that option is fairly disgusting.

Arabidopsis
Apr 25, 2007
A model organism

Franks Happy Place posted:

I'm sure you are all sick of this derail and would like to get back to yelling about the Greenbelt or whatever, I'm just saying: I don't want to ever get my pilot's license, but if you told me that Transport Canada was loving up private pilot licensing so bad it looked like the long gun registry and the Phoenix payroll system had a baby and that baby cost ten billion dollars a year, and also just coincidentally not one single indigenous person in the country was ever granted their licenses for REASONS, I would probably take note and spread the word, just saying

This is a fascinating derail. Please continue it. I have no interest in going black market but found that edibles - the legal ones - have enabled me to completely quit drinking at very low doses. Legalizing weed was, in my laymans opinion, one of the few clear policy wins by the Trudeau government so to hear it's being undermined by a bunch of unaccountable assholes is really sad

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Pleads posted:

The shittiest thing about the Libs bailing on electoral reform was they were and are the only (slim, vague, impossible, never-to-happen) chance of it happening in the future, still. The Cons never will, they only get majorities via our hosed system. The NDPs never will, they'll never hold power because they're feckless cowards.

We can punish the Libs by not voting for them because of it but best case it doesn't matter at all and worst case it vote-splits a tight riding.

Gutting the Libs from within and replacing them with actually good people is kinda the only way but also impossible because the gap between the people who want that change and the people who don't, when it comes to running a successful campaign, is just continuing to widen.

Gosh darnit.

Or, how about we vote NDP and take more seats and force the liberals into a coalition government/supported minority govt. with the requirement for confidence in the House being effective electoral reform instead of whatever Singh is going to dribble out next.

Pleads
Jun 9, 2005

pew pew pew


Mederlock posted:

Or, how about we vote NDP and take more seats and force the liberals into a coalition government/supported minority govt. with the requirement for confidence in the House being effective electoral reform instead of whatever Singh is going to dribble out next.

I mean, I've voted NDP in every federal and provincial election and I'm approaching 40 having never been represented in my riding by the party I voted for. I've never been in a riding that was anywhere close to an NDP win.

The NDP have proven to be cowards who only think of shifting right as the solution to their electoral troubles. You're looking at either convincing THEM to take a "radical" approach contrary to their past politics, or try to gut the Liberals from within to replace them with progressives. I honestly don't know which is easier, given the institutional hurdles to both.

How do you motivate any party to change via "voting" when the one party that said they would change our elections won on the platform and then did poo poo all, and then won again. How do you motivate voters to overwhelmingly switch from con/lib to ndp when they've pushed so hard to draw the two-party lines established in the US (even if it's not true or doesn't have to be).

my morning jackass
Aug 24, 2009

I was wondering what the deal was with all the CBC and CBN stuff was coming up at the weed store. Also interestingly enough I went this week to get some stuff and there was basically nothing available for edibles anymore because of that new ban I suppose.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

ZShakespeare posted:

I don't know we could go back to jerking off about voting.

Guess we went with this then

Vasler
Feb 17, 2004
Greetings Earthling! Do you have any Zoom Boots?

PT6A posted:

I've tried that the past two elections, it doesn't appear to be working.

And with Jagmeet "Throw Money at Mortgages" Singh, even that option is fairly disgusting.

I fail to understand how voting for the cons will lead to anything aside from more rapid dismantling of every social system we have. You've made it clear that your issue is housing and that the NDP is for whatever reason not tenable for you.

But somehow the cons, that present no coherent policy on anything, is better than either the libs or NDP?

I almost can't believe I have to type this out, but if you think a con minister is somehow going to be more effective than a lib minister at doing anything (except dismantling social structures/shutting down programs/selling off assets), well, you ought to brush up on history, perhaps what happened under the last streak of con governments or the one just before that one).

I can't believe I'm defending the libs.

Lien
Oct 17, 2006
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Switching political parties will make poo poo-all difference to making the feds a more functional organization. The Cons might make it *worse* if they cut jobs/funding more than the Libs already are, but there's so many levels of dysfunction in government, I think it would take a solid twenty years to unfuck it, even a little.

(I also find the weed derail very interesting, especially the bit about cbn. I'm insomniac and weed candies have been the most reliable way I've found to knock myself out)

Arabian Jesus
Feb 15, 2008

We've got the American Jesus
Bolstering national faith

We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day

Don't think I'll vote NDP if they're committed to running it back with Singh. Maybe I can convince the Bloc to expand to other provinces

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Arabian Jesus posted:

Don't think I'll vote NDP if they're committed to running it back with Singh. Maybe I can convince the Bloc to expand to other provinces

Most people I've talked to feel this same way about Singh. The way he's handled working with the liberals since the last election has left a poor taste in a lot of people's mouths. I dunno, he comes across too much like one of these Laurentian elites we keep hearing about

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

He's a landlord too now lol. Voting ftmfw

Charles Bukowski
Aug 26, 2003

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PT6A posted:

I've tried that the past two elections, it doesn't appear to be working.

And with Jagmeet "Throw Money at Mortgages" Singh, even that option is fairly disgusting.

You don't abandon what you want just because it won't win. The libs want the status quo, the cons want this but worse for everyone. If you vote for either, you're voting for exactly what you say you don't want. With respect, what are your principles? Are you just being butt mad because powerlessness?

Capital Letdown
Oct 5, 2006
i still cant fix red text avs someone tell me the bbcode for that im an admin and dont know this lmao

Pleads posted:

I mean, I've voted NDP in every federal and provincial election and I'm approaching 40 having never been represented in my riding by the party I voted for. I've never been in a riding that was anywhere close to an NDP win.

Ive voted NDP and live in a riding that is NDP both provincially and federally, and it also doesn't really make a difference lmao

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Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

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OPP refers Ontario Greenbelt matter to RCMP to avoid ‘conflict of interest’


quote:

“Direct access to the Housing Minister’s chief of staff resulted in certain prominent developers receiving preferential treatment,” Ms. Lysyk wrote.

Both Mr. Ford and Mr. Clark have said they weren’t aware of the way Mr. Amato had chosen the specific sites and weren’t aware of the properties until just days before they were presented to cabinet. Mr. Amato told the Auditor-General that he didn’t inform the developers and landowners the government was considering removing land from the Greenbelt. But the report says he did tell them the government would consider their requests “if it decided to do so.”

After the release of the report, Mr. Ford asked the province’s Integrity Commissioner, J. David Wake, to review Mr. Amato’s conduct and determine if he violated the Public Service of Ontario Act. This was one of 15 recommendations Ms. Lysyk made in her report.

Ms. Lysyk has said she met with the Ontario Provincial Police about the matter.

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