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redshirt posted:That episode pissed me off. I get it, they are new to space! But even basic common sense says you don't bring your dog with you on a first contact. Was it even a first contact? I thought it was the same species who are weird about people eating in public. Like they knew that they were weird in comparison to humans and that the tree was sacred but Archer still insisted on bringing his dog with him.
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Aug 23, 2023 16:47
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FlamingLiberal posted:I live there and I laughed because (at least currently) the part of the state they took out has very few people in it Sadly, they managed to hit the New Florida Arcology dead-on and take out fifty million people.
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Aug 23, 2023 16:58
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FlamingLiberal posted:The problem is that especially in seasons 1 and 2, the show is clearly recycling stories from TNG and VOY but not in a creative way Eh, and? TNG recycled plots from itself, Voyager recycled plots from TNG and itself The cycle continues
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Aug 23, 2023 17:08
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FlamingLiberal posted:The 3rd and 4th seasons at least try and do something different I actually feel that late TNG is worse than this tbh
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Aug 23, 2023 17:09
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Early Enterprise has the novelty of a crew that isn't prepared for the weirdness of the galaxy and doesn't entirely know what the hell they're doing, which I think makes even the most TNG Lite episodes a little more interesting. Early Voyager in comparison is just boring.
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Seasons 1-2 of Voyager are mostly rough yeah
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Voyager is just bland the entire way through. Sure theres a little bit of spicy but its mixed in with the bland
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I bet Patrick Stewart was super mad when he saw how much fuckin and fightin Archer was getting to do.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Was it even a first contact? I thought it was the same species who are weird about people eating in public. Like they knew that they were weird in comparison to humans and that the tree was sacred but Archer still insisted on bringing his dog with him. I don’t think they knew the tree was sacred but yeah Archer already knew this race was extremely easy to offend and still thought bringing his filthy animal down to the planet with him was a good idea. He clearly only got the job cuz of nepotism.
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Yes and then he gets extremely upset at the aliens instead of having any self-awareness
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alexandriao posted:I started watching ENT because I'm so deprived of new Trek, and it's not nearly as bad yet as people make out. Its LEAGUES ahead of Discovery ENT's worst sin is aggressively recycling scripts from previous shows and outside that relying on 3-4 basic plots which are repeated in very non-creative ways until it gets mediocre (S3) and good (S4). Being dull and repetitive for majority of the run makes it better than DISCO or PIC, both which hope to being just dull and repetitive instead of aggressively stupid and somehow finding ways to underperform season after season.
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Der Kyhe posted:ENT's worst sin is aggressively recycling scripts from previous shows and outside that relying on 3-4 basic plots which are repeated in very non-creative ways until it gets mediocre (S3) and good (S4). I'm not seeing any of this. So far we've had cave hallucinations, alien techno-vampirism, mpreg fanfic (gene would be proud 🥹🫡), cave people, and in the episode I just watched, Vulcan espionage. So far it's super different to prior Treks, and I've had most of TNG on repeat for 5 years
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Wait I’m remembering the episode where they offended the aliens by eating in front of them. Granted that seems like an easy mistake to make in a first contact, but the captain refusing to apologize even in the face of Death By Cum is incredible, with it being the goddamn helmsman that makes an honest apology and saves everyone instead.
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Yeah, I do think the script recycling complaint is a tad overblown. For sure, there’s more than a few in there (and one down the road that is so blatant I thought they just did a name find/replace from a Voyager script), but it’s not everywhere. Now the repeated plot beat of Archer and/or Trip getting kidnapped…that was overdone.
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HD DAD posted:Yeah, I do think the script recycling complaint is a tad overblown. For sure, there’s more than a few in there (and one down the road that is so blatant I thought they just did a name find/replace from a Voyager script), but it’s not everywhere. After avoiding TOS for a long time it was eye opening when I finally gave it a chance and discovered that more than a few TNG episodes were “recycled” plots from TOS
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HD DAD posted:Now the repeated plot beat of Archer and/or Trip getting kidnapped…that was overdone. ...and shuttle getting stranded, and Enterprise is boarded and/or captured. I think there were 3 episodes of shuttle gets stranded within 4 episodes somewhere in the original run order.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Was it even a first contact? I thought it was the same species who are weird about people eating in public. Like they knew that they were weird in comparison to humans and that the tree was sacred but Archer still insisted on bringing his dog with him. That's pretty accurate for a lot of dog people. <Purchase "service dog vest" from Amazon> <Put vest on your "not" service dog"> <Take your dog where it isn't supposed to go> <Untrained dog does something it shouldn't> <People are understandably upset>
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Endless Trash posted:After avoiding TOS for a long time it was eye opening when I finally gave it a chance and discovered that more than a few TNG episodes were “recycled” plots from TOS That's not so objectionable when you're an entire era of television separated from the last iteration. You can repeat the same basic plot and get totally different results. The Gorn episode isn't that much different in setup from Darmok Production wise, VOY is a slight technological upgrade over TNG, and ENT only a slight technological upgrade over that
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Neddy Seagoon posted:A lot of Enterprise season 1&2 can be described as "American tourists on vacation, and their long-suffering Lord Hydronium posted:Early Enterprise has the novelty of a crew that isn't prepared for the weirdness of the galaxy and doesn't entirely know what the hell they're doing, which I think makes even the most TNG Lite episodes a little more interesting. Early Voyager in comparison is just boring. Wii Spawn Camper posted:I bet Patrick Stewart was super mad when he saw how much fuckin and fightin Archer was getting to do. There has to be a way to introduce the idea that hey this is pre-federation star trek to existing trek fans, to explain non-standard captain behavior. They didn’t explain very well imo there has to be a way to make an easy on the eyes anyone can watch sci-fi for the general masses, I get the producers wanted that for money reasons. attractive people rubbing gel on each other in their underpants isn’t like, not entertaining, some of that is ok. fun even. meshing all that together was hard. A fifth season of Enterprise could have tied it all together and ended with “Hey look at our new uniforms” and they all dress and act like TOS. Jolene Blalock could start Spocking really hard and, Archer can start emoting like Shatner SNW is smashing it out of the park on some of those things Enterprise tried, waiting for the decontamination chamber episode to be sure
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naem posted:SNW is smashing it out of the park on some of those things Enterprise tried, waiting for the decontamination chamber episode to be sure 52 minutes of M’Benga sternly monitoring two transporter duplicated Sam Kirks gelling each other up. “Uh Doctor, what are you doing?” “Research, Christine!”
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naem posted:SNW is smashing it out of the park on some of those things Enterprise tried, waiting for the decontamination chamber episode to be sure "The biofilters have broken down so either we slather gel.over each other in a special room with special (bisexual) lighting, or it's Hose Town for u. Pick one and forever hold your peace"
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alexandriao posted:Eh, and? Ah yes, the "a bad thing happened once so no bad things are ever to be judged again" deflection.
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It's not that bad, at least they reuse good plots.
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McSpanky posted:Ah yes, the "a bad thing happened once so no bad things are ever to be judged again" deflection. It's not that, it's that if you're stupid enough to let things like "This plot has a lot of similarities with this other episode" bother you, your opinion doesn't matter.
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Enterprise in Seasons 1-2 tended to pretty lazily recycle plots, and it makes a lot more sense when you see comments from Brannon Braga about how he regrets taking the showrunner job because he was so burned out coming off of Voyager. You can see it on screen.
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alexandriao posted:"The biofilters have broken down so either we slather gel.over each other in a special room with special (bisexual) lighting, or it's Hose Town for u. Pick one and forever hold your peace" no no only women are bisexual in the star treks, and only in the mirror universe you can tell when they are bisexual because they wear crop tops and you can see their belly buttons and they have knives and like to wrestle
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FlamingLiberal posted:Enterprise in Seasons 1-2 tended to pretty lazily recycle plots, and it makes a lot more sense when you see comments from Brannon Braga about how he regrets taking the showrunner job because he was so burned out coming off of Voyager. You can see it on screen. McSpanky posted:This was damning enough on Voyager, when it was all about a lone ship stranded in a whole new part of the galaxy where everything was supposed to be fresh and exciting. For a prequel about mankind's first journey into... a whole new... where everything was sup... Decompress the main shuttlebay!
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I liked Season 3 of Enterprise. I especially liked how being in the the expanse early on was all crazy and horrific because of those spacial anomalies.
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The Vulcan zombie episode was tons of fun. There’s a lot of great stuff in S3 - my favorite probably being the one where they fake-kidnap Degra to get intel on him, and we start to see his side of the story.
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Oh they also rip off TNG in that season where Archer and a few others get turned into frog people like what happens to Geordi
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naem posted:no no only women are bisexual in the star treks, and only in the mirror universe Evil Mirror Kira was the most feral IMO
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Lord Hydronium posted:Early Enterprise has the novelty of a crew that isn't prepared for the weirdness of the galaxy and doesn't entirely know what the hell they're doing, which I think makes even the most TNG Lite episodes a little more interesting. Early Voyager in comparison is just boring. I like that the transporter is unreliable and dangerous and everyone is afraid of it. It's not a lot better in the 2400s but everyone has normalised it. Sometimes you get scattered to subspace, sometimes you get cloned or Tuvix'd NBD.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Enterprise in Seasons 1-2 tended to pretty lazily recycle plots, and it makes a lot more sense when you see comments from Brannon Braga about how he regrets taking the showrunner job because he was so burned out coming off of Voyager. You can see it on screen. Funny. Watching Voyager one could easily believe he was long burnt out long before the series was half way done, or even finished the first season.
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ReelBigLizard posted:I like that the transporter is unreliable and dangerous and everyone is afraid of it. TMP dir the best job at this. "What came back didn't live long" so instead of a transporter accident being a philosophical dilemma it's like a horrific car accident without a violent crash. Pretty chilling actually. Imagine what Paul Verhoeven would have done wity that scene.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:TMP dir the best job at this. "What came back didn't live long" so instead of a transporter accident being a philosophical dilemma it's like a horrific car accident without a violent crash. Pretty chilling actually. Imagine what Paul Verhoeven would have done wity that scene. The "screams" is what made that scene during the transporter malfunction.
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ReelBigLizard posted:I like that the transporter is unreliable and dangerous and everyone is afraid of it. My uncle Steve got "Tuvix'd" you callous son of a Did it hurt when I pressed the phaser against Uncle Stevarry's temple and did the only thing that made any god drat sense? You bet, but I hope any of you bastards would do the same if it happened to me.
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davidspackage posted:My uncle Steve got "Tuvix'd" you callous son of a He got teleport mixed with Neelix? Dear god, how many people has Neelix done this too!!!!!!
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