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I don't remember any other FROM games being technical messes on PC other than PTDE.
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K8.0 posted:You can like their games, denying that they are lazy when they put out technical mess after technical mess and are years and years behind everyone else in adopting technological improvements is ridiculous. They might make good games, but from a technical perspective that kind of sustained failure is unquestionably poo poo and/or lazy. But is the ER port a technical mess? Because that doesn't seem to be the general consensus. Its not perfect, but I think you're letting that be the enemy of the good here
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Jack Trades posted:Japanese devs are notoriously bad at PC games.  
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https://store.steampowered.com/app/1026420/WARSAW_RISING_City_of_Heroes/ Warsaw, the historical Darkest Dungeon about Warsaw uprising is now free on Steam (indefinitely)
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K8.0 posted:You can like their games, denying that they are lazy when they put out technical mess after technical mess and are years and years behind everyone else in adopting technological improvements is ridiculous. They might make good games, but from a technical perspective that kind of sustained failure is unquestionably poo poo and/or lazy. yeah, especially when there's issues that have come up in game after game after game and never been resolved, like their 30fps limiter on consoles having awful frame pacing in every title from bloodborne through to elden ring
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It’s kinda true though. Go back and look at the PC release for FF11 lol
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MarcusSA posted:It’s kinda true though. Go back and look at the PC release for FF11 lol Just wanna be super clear which FF11 you're talking about before we proceed here
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A long time ago it was true that Japanese devs only did lazy/bad PC releases, but Capcom has been doing mostly competent PC ports for a long time, Kojima's PC releases have been good... Among big Japanese PC releases, it's only From that has been consistently bad for the last ~10 years.MMF Freeway posted:But is the ER port a technical mess? Because that doesn't seem to be the general consensus. Its not perfect, but I think you're letting that be the enemy of the good here Objectively speaking in terms of features it's well behind, the performance leaves a lot to be desired, and the stuttering seems to go well beyond the shader compilation issues that plague Unreal Engine games. Are they getting better? Maybe. But not at a pace acceptable for a studio with well over a decade of major success. K8.0 fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Aug 23, 2023 |
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Jack Trades posted:Japanese devs are notoriously bad at PC games. Compared to who?
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is there a carbon monoxide leak in this thread
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MGSV was a masterclass in PC optimization.
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I’ve purchased FROM’s last three PC games day 1 and thought they were all good  Idk that I will with AC because the genre just doesn’t appeal to me all that much but I’ll probably pick it up eventually on sale
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its been slightly better with Capcoms own middleware which is great and others utilizing Unreal (f.e. Tekken/SF) but From Software or Platinum are just the worst.
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Western devs optimize games like this while Japanese devs optimize games like this
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MMF Freeway posted:But is the ER port a technical mess? Because that doesn't seem to be the general consensus. Its not perfect, but I think you're letting that be the enemy of the good here just look at the drawcalls of the image in the tweet I linked on the previous page. Speaks for itself, and thats just unnecessary drawcalls.
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K8.0 posted:A long time ago it was true that Japanese devs only did lazy/bad PC releases, but Capcom has been doing mostly competent PC ports for a long time, Kojima's PC releases have been good... Among big Japanese PC releases, it's only From that has been consistently bad for the last ~10 years. Read something a while back which said Capcom designs their games for PC first and then ports them to consoles which is why they're consistently one of the best publishers when it comes to PC performance.
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PC port quality is so dependent on the publisher and in-house team that it's ludicrous to consider it a function of where it is made. Most of the time what counts as "Western vs Japanese" is immaterial anyway since nowadays the work of porting is often outsourced to Singapore or Malaysia. That being said recent Capcom ports are generally pretty solid to great while Square-Enix is always a big  . Could be fine, could be terrible, usually just comes down to how much you paid for it.
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MarcusSA posted:It’s kinda true though. Go back and look at the PC release for FF11 lol
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who would win, the fromsoft quadrillion polygon occluded terrain or the team ninja quadrillion polygon character models https://twitter.com/DeathChaos25/status/1505243871009247234
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Read something a while back which said Capcom designs their games for PC first and then ports them to consoles which is why they're consistently one of the best publishers when it comes to PC performance. Yeah a few years ago after failing at a number of games they had a big statement where they pretty much said they're focusing on making PC first then porting and with the RE engine that's evidently fairly simple. Also said their goal was to make games fun first which seems to be the case with everything they've released recently except for the making GBS threads multiplayer Resident Evil games. exquisite tea posted:PC port quality is so dependent on the publisher and in-house team that it's ludicrous to consider it a function of where it is made. Most of the time what counts as "Western vs Japanese" is immaterial anyway since nowadays the work of porting is often outsourced to Singapore or Malaysia. That being said recent Capcom ports are generally pretty solid to great while Square-Enix is always a big Agreed, maybe 15-20 years ago you could say that Japanese PC ports sucked in general but in the current and last generation it seemed to be more how high profile of a game it was more than where it was made. Unless like you said you're Squeenix where their ports are sometimes pretty great and sometimes awful with no way to predict.
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Jack Trades posted:Japanese devs are notoriously bad at PC games. you are notoriously bad at posting
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Unrelated to performance, fromsoft’s netcode is definitely antiquated compared to team ninja’s at this point and playing elden ring multiplayer (or trying to) after nioh 2 was a stark contrast. I wonder how AC6 multiplayer is going to fare because elden ring’s netcode quality is not something that felt like it would fly in a much faster paced framework.
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repiv posted:who would win, the fromsoft quadrillion polygon occluded terrain or the team ninja quadrillion polygon character models This is chump poo poo. 1.0 of Final Fantasy XIV did all this and then some on barrels.
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repiv posted:who would win, the fromsoft quadrillion polygon occluded terrain or the team ninja quadrillion polygon character models Fair, but they also do this: https://twitter.com/mightykeef/status/1636557497656811520?s=46&t=IW0MSOWK0Lh4VsB3wVLoOA
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the only good game devs are from Christmas Island
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K8.0 posted:You can like their games, denying that they are lazy when they put out technical mess after technical mess and are years and years behind everyone else in adopting technological improvements is ridiculous. They might make good games, but from a technical perspective that kind of sustained failure is unquestionably poo poo and/or lazy. yeah i wish elden ring ran like the technical masterpieces from ea, ubisoft and bethesda lol stupid gently caress
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So uh ... what was the last bug-free PC 3D game out?
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System Shock Remake is UE4 with no stutters and rock solid performance.
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teethgrinder posted:So uh ... what was the last bug-free PC 3D game out? Bubsy 3D that's why it rhymes
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more release dates/news coming out of Gamescom - Mega Man X Dive Offline: Sep 1st ($30). wait, did i type that right. $30???? lol - House Flipper 2: December 14th - Steamworld Build: December 1st - Wandering Sword let slip a September 15th date but then undid it, so that's still in flux - Worldless: October 4th - Dune Spice Wars: September for 1.0 release  - Grime II announced - Broken Sword 6 announced, Broken Sword 1 re-remaster announced  - Tormented Souls 2 announced - The Last Faith beta test is live now, you can sign up to access the playtest on Steam The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Aug 23, 2023 |
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That’s good to see, it deserves a sequel. Similar: blasphemous 2 comes out tomorrow and I will be playing it
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Owl Inspector posted:That’s good to see, it deserves a sequel. Similar: blasphemous 2 comes out tomorrow and I will be playing it Same. Although I quit Grime because of all the hardcore platform puzzling involved. Which is a shame because it had some good and interesting things going on, just a bit too tough for me.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:is there a carbon monoxide leak in this thread lmao It's a pet peeve of mine when people call game devs 'lazy' like that. Yeah, From totally could have fixed these technical issues on time and within budget, if they'd just cared, but they didn't FEEL like it. They were all 'gently caress it, good enough' but not because deadlines or budget or anything. Just sheer laziness.
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FFXI was on the cusp of consoles being able to connect to the internet at all so while Play Online is a terrible experience today it feels unfair to compare it to anything not similarly ambitious for the time.
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HopperUK posted:lmao Yea, it's very easy for anyone who has no idea how software -- be it 3D games or dumb business software -- works that think making something just run good is the easiest, most straight forward thing. Not every programmer knows every single best practice of all the tools they're expected to work with.
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Sab669 posted:Yea, it's very easy for anyone who has no idea how software -- be it 3D games or dumb business software -- works that think making something just run good is the easiest, most straight forward thing. Not every programmer knows every single best practice of all the tools they're expected to work with. Just don't put the bugs in in the first place. Duh.
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Speaking of western devs and/or development mistakes, apparently Bioware is slicing 50 jobs and swears Dragon Age 4 will https://blog.bioware.com/2023/08/23/an-update-on-the-state-of-bioware/
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Sab669 posted:Yea, it's very easy for anyone who has no idea how software -- be it 3D games or dumb business software -- works that think making something just run good is the easiest, most straight forward thing. Not every programmer knows every single best practice of all the tools they're expected to work with. Sure, with limited resources and experience managing projects you won't make optimal decisions. After a decade of printing money, if you give a poo poo you've refined processes and hired people to solve problems. Liking their games doesn't mean you should make excuses for them in a way you never would for any other business.
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