USCE 2023: Please let them shove a camera up your butt

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Rakeris: Jul 20, 2014

https://www.ft.com/content/812c9da3-80f2-4fe1-8fad-0b4441d1977a

quote:

Yevgeny Prigozhin in fatal plane crash, Russian officials say

I can't say I'm surprised....

# ? Aug 23, 2023 19:27

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# ? May 27, 2024 23:58

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Rakeris posted:

https://www.ft.com/content/812c9da3-80f2-4fe1-8fad-0b4441d1977a

I can't say I'm surprised....

A half a coup is the exact wrong amount of coup to do.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 19:30

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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The surprising thing is that people would fly in a private plane with or eat the same food as someone who publicly went against Putin a few weeks ago.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 19:30

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Lotta finding out going on these days.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The surprising thing is that people would fly in a private plane with or eat the same food as someone who publicly went against Putin a few weeks ago.

Apparently a bunch of Wagner leadership was on board, including Dmitri "Wagner" Utkin, Prigo's #2 and the guy who allegedly founded Wagner in the first place. Utkin has the distinction of looking more like a nazi than anyone besides Goebbels.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 19:30

predicto: Jul 22, 2004; THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

*Barack Hussein Superallah ��Obi-Wan Nairobi�� the Islamic Shock Obama

The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers

# ? Aug 23, 2023 19:39

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Fox plans to digitally insert Trump into the Republican debate tonight.

They are going to play statements and video clips by Trump, ask the other candidates to respond, and play clips of Trump criticizing the other candidates as "rebuttal" responses after they answer questions.

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1694383289480393026

quote:

Donald Trump, the Republican 2024 frontrunner and quadruply indicted former president, will show up during Wednesday night�s GOP presidential primary debate�but there�s a catch.

Despite the twice-impeached ex-president very publicly skipping the debate and looking to upstage Fox News with a pre-taped Twitter interview with fired Fox star Tucker Carlson, the network still plans for Trump to have a heavy (non-physical) presence at the event.

�If he�s not there, he�ll still be there,� Bret Baier, the debate�s co-moderator, told Politico last week. �There may be sound bites, there may be elements where �this is what the leader of the primary says about this issue.� He�ll be there, even if he�s not there.�

Indeed, multiple people familiar with the situation told The Daily Beast that the network has committed to a plan to �beam Trump in� by playing clips of him throughout the debate and having the candidates respond. The move partly satisfies the network�s need for an active, lively debate with the frontrunner somehow involved, as well as its post-2020 core operating principle to �respect the audience��in particular, the MAGA base that craves all things Trump. But it would also satisfy Fox�s desire to effectively counter-program the Carlson interview.

The ex-president�s sitdown with Carlson was taped last week at Trump�s Bedminster, New Jersey golf club. Their chat will run for two hours, which is also the expected length of Fox�s debate. �MY INTERVIEW WITH TUCKER CARLSON WILL BE AIRED TONIGHT AT 9:00 P.M. �SPARKS WILL FLY.� ENJOY!� Trump bellowed in a quintessentially all-caps Truth Social post on Wednesday morning.

According to people familiar with the interview, their friendly chat will feature no explicitly tough questions or contentious moments�just two ideologically aligned men looking to exact revenge on Fox and its debate. Sources with knowledge of the chat said the pair bonded over their shared hatred of Fox founder Rupert Murdoch, though not on camera. Much of the interview will center around foreign policy and Ukraine.

While Trump�s physical presence on the debate stage would have undoubtedly provided the massive ratings bonanza that Fox desires, in the end, people familiar with the matter told The Daily Beast, the network had multiple contingency plans in the event he bailed. Although management is not surprised by his decision, they are still �pissed,� sources said.

Fox News declined to comment.

Trump had strongly suggested for months that he wouldn�t show up to the first primary debate, citing his massive polling lead in the Republican primary, which only seems to grow with each additional criminal indictment. Furthermore, his growing animosity towards Fox over the network�s perceived lack of loyalty was also a significant factor.

In fact, just before publicly confirming he would not show up in Milwaukee, Trump fumed that his longtime favorite morning show Fox & Friends was showing the �worst pictures� of him, �especially the big �orange� one with my chin way back.� Trump has also repeatedly complained that the right-wing network has turned on him, especially as it seeks to find a Trump alternative to boost among the crowded GOP field. Murdoch has reportedly encouraged Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin to jump in the race, and the channel was seemingly all-in on Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis before throwing its weight behind �anti-woke� entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy.

Multiple people familiar with the situation tell The Daily Beast, however, that Trump�s mind was made up earlier this month after Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott and President Jay Wallace dropped in for dinner at Bedminster as part of a full-court press to convince Trump to participate in the debate. Following that visit, the ex-president decided he didn�t need the conservative cable giant.

While Trump and Carlson had informally discussed for months the idea of competing with the Fox News debate with their own event, the conversation only became serious after the dinner with Scott and Wallace. The Washington Post first reported that the interview needed to be filmed last Wednesday because the ex-Fox host would be in Europe this week to interview Hungarian autocrat Viktor Orban.

�Trump did not want it to become public that he had taped the interview and instructed his team to keep it a secret, advisers said,� the Post reported. �Trump�s team tried to keep signaling he might still attend the Fox debate, with aides refusing to confirm he was considering sitting for a Carlson interview that he had already recorded. Even then, he kept polling people on whether he should attend the debate.�

Carlson, like Trump, has publicly and privately feuded with Fox News for months now. Once the top-rated host in all of cable news, Carlson was shockingly ousted just days after the right-wing channel settled Dominion Voting Systems� defamation lawsuit for nearly $800 million. At the same time, though, Fox will not release Carlson from his contract and has accused him of breaching the terms of his employment by launching his show on Twitter, the social app now branded as X.

With Trump essentially slapping Fox News in the face with his Carlson sitdown, the network is making sure that the ex-president�s presence will still be largely felt on its airwaves Wednesday night.

All along, Fox has been going into the debate with two plans in place�one featuring Trump attending, and one with him not showing up. Trump stringing them along, even after he�d already made up his mind earlier this month to ditch the debate, led Fox to keep the contingencies in place until basically the last minute.

According to one well-placed Fox News insider, the network had been working �overtime� recently to make sure the prevailing story around this debate isn�t that the network failed to get Trump, even though that appears to be the dominating narrative surrounding the event.

�They�re panicked. And tried everything they could to get him to attend. But obviously, it didn�t work,� the source added. �Their assumption is the ratings will be fine, but nowhere near where they would be if Trump was there.�

# ? Aug 23, 2023 19:45

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

That is so degrading to everyone who shows up... it's perfect

# ? Aug 23, 2023 19:47

Shooting Blanks: Jun 6, 2007; Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade

I kinda want to watch now, this sounds way too weird to be true.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 19:47

Jesus III: May 23, 2007

They should make a Trump hologram like Tupac

# ? Aug 23, 2023 19:48

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

I hope it works out as well as that time they were going to have Clint Eastwood hector and berate a hologram of Obama but the tech failed so he just yelled at an empty chair for like an hour.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 19:49

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Doug Burgum has also reportedly tore a tendon during a basketball game and can't stand. It's not clear how this is going to impact his participation in the debate.

Edit:

He says he's not sure if he will participate or not. But, if he does, then he won't take any pain meds that could alter his "cognitive abilities."

https://twitter.com/DanaBashCNN/status/1694423443012202770

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Aug 23, 2023

# ? Aug 23, 2023 19:56

Jethro: Jun 1, 2000; I was raised on the dairy, Bitch!

Captain_Maclaine posted:

I hope it works out as well as that time they were going to have Clint Eastwood hector and berate a hologram of Obama but the tech failed so he just yelled at an empty chair for like an hour.

That worked so well I was today years old when I found out there was supposed to be a holObama

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:00

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

zoux posted:

Lotta finding out going on these days.

Apparently a bunch of Wagner leadership was on board, including Dmitri "Wagner" Utkin, Prigo's #2 and the guy who allegedly founded Wagner in the first place. Utkin has the distinction of looking more like a nazi than anyone besides Goebbels.

Having SS tattoos tends to contribute to that.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:01

PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

Captain_Maclaine posted:

I hope it works out as well as that time they were going to have Clint Eastwood hector and berate a hologram of Obama but the tech failed so he just yelled at an empty chair for like an hour.

was that really the plan?

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:01

VideoGameVet: May 14, 2005; It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/1694358532701749382

This was during Trump's term but it's very concerning that some of these guys might stlll be in the Secret Service

The president's personal detail was swapped out for guys he knew from his VP detail over loyalty concerns in late 2020.

Another reason why Pence didn't get into the SS Vehicle on 1/6

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:03

logger: Jun 28, 2008; ...and in what manner the Ancyent Marinere came back to his own Country.; Soiled Meat

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/1694358532701749382

This was during Trump's term but it's very concerning that some of these guys might stlll be in the Secret Service

To me this pretty much confirms that if Pence went with the Secret Service on Jan 6th he would have been delivered to the mob.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:04

PeterWeller: Apr 21, 2003; I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

He was a Muslim and non-white, but not a Republican.

Oh derp. I glossed over "GOP" and ruined my own bad joke even before I made it.

Alternately, "something, something but his policies."

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:04

Bellmaker: Oct 18, 2008; Chapter DOOF

Rakeris posted:

https://www.ft.com/content/812c9da3-80f2-4fe1-8fad-0b4441d1977a

I can't say I'm surprised....

If you think about it a plane is the biggest window of all :hmmyes:

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:04

VideoGameVet: May 14, 2005; It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Rakeris posted:

https://www.ft.com/content/812c9da3-80f2-4fe1-8fad-0b4441d1977a

I can't say I'm surprised....

Ralph Waldo Emerson: �When you strike at a king, you must kill him.�

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:08

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Kalli posted:

That is so degrading to everyone who shows up... it's perfect

Too bad about the general but the fun part of 2016 was watching Trump demolish Proud Respectable Conservatives in the primaries. So while I'm still going to fret about 2024, I'm gonna try to stay in the present and enjoy myself, you know?

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:08

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

zoux posted:

Proud Respectable Conservatives in the primaries.

Sorry, all we have on offer is disgusting craven piece of poo poo conservatives, hope that's alright

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:11

GhostofJohnMuir: Aug 14, 2014; anime is not good

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Fox plans to digitally insert Trump into the Republican debate tonight.

They are going to play statements and video clips by Trump, ask the other candidates to respond, and play clips of Trump criticizing the other candidates as "rebuttal" responses after they answer questions.

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1694383289480393026

this is a trial run for making him a virtual candidate that can keep running long past his imminent coronary

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:13

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Failed Imagineer posted:

Sorry, all we have on offer is disgusting craven piece of poo poo conservatives, hope that's alright

Well, as long as they're humiliated. I guess.

OddObserver posted:

Having SS tattoos tends to contribute to that.

This mf had a totenkopf for a head

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:15

Morrow: Oct 31, 2010

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

this is a trial run for making him a virtual candidate that can keep running long past his imminent coronary

Nothing in the constitution says a candidate can't be dead!

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:18

PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

digital beings arent natural born citizens though.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:26

Craig K: Nov 10, 2016; puck

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

this is a trial run for making him a virtual candidate that can keep running long past his imminent coronary

wow! vice president hatsune miku!

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:27

Craig K: Nov 10, 2016; puck

god, after trump dies there will absolutely be a couple decades of "i saw him pumping gas at an east duluth shell station" like there was with elvis

but, you know, way scarier because nobody ever marched on the capitol with guns and other weapons to install elvis presley as president

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:29

logger: Jun 28, 2008; ...and in what manner the Ancyent Marinere came back to his own Country.; Soiled Meat

We regret to inform the country that the servers containing President Reagan's Holograms became corrupted and the backups lost, we will start the inauguration of Vice President Tupac as soon as Chief Justice Chuck-E-Cheese gets done playing guitar at a 7 year old's birthday party.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:33

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Oh no, a promising young GOP apprentice has taken the Trump Holocron!

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:44

KillHour: Oct 28, 2007

They should just deepfake Trump and have ChatGPT pretend to be him live for the debates. It will be great.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:48

Zwabu: Aug 7, 2006

Craig K posted:

god, after trump dies there will absolutely be a couple decades of "i saw him pumping gas at an east duluth shell station" like there was with elvis

No, because if the right wing media complex continues to exist he will be memory holed even more quickly and completely than Reagan and GWB are right now, who were at least two termers.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:49

ihop: Jul 23, 2001; King of the Mexicans

The first self-aware AI is going to be based on trump tweets and we are fuuuuuucked

# ? Aug 23, 2023 20:58

Rappaport: Oct 2, 2013

Captain_Maclaine posted:

I hope it works out as well as that time they were going to have Clint Eastwood hector and berate a hologram of Obama but the tech failed so he just yelled at an empty chair for like an hour.

When you thought the chair was empty, it was goons sitting on Obama's behalf instead. Or something.

Is there any way to see the pubbie debate outside the US? I don't think Fox would give me a trial sub for their streaming service without me spoofing a US postal address or some nonsense like that.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 21:01

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

ihop posted:

The first self-aware AI is going to be based on trump tweets and we are fuuuuuucked

These tweets were very nasty to Mr. Basilisk. Very nasty and very unfair. It's ok though, we're going to deal with that and so many other things in such a beautiful way.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 21:01

Alkydere: Jun 7, 2010; Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
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Jethro posted:

That worked so well I was today years old when I found out there was supposed to be a holObama

I'm with you. Is the holObama thing real or was it just them trying to save face after an embarrassing presentation of Old Man Yells At Chair?

Zwabu posted:

No, because if the right wing media complex continues to exist he will be memory holed even more quickly and completely than Reagan and GWB are right now, who were at least two termers.

Reagan wasn't and still hasn't been memory holed. Whitewashed, yes, but he's very much still the Modern Republican Messiah. It helped that he lingered for a while with his acting skills fully intact which kept him photogenic even if the Alzheimer's had stripped much of his ability to even know what day it was.

Dubya is definitely Mr. Memory Hole of course. Everyone on both sides wants him to just stay on his private residence and paint his pictures.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 21:13

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

Bar Ran Dun posted:

I dunno how�d Bobby Jindal do?

Bobby Jindal, the first non-white person to ever be elected governor of Louisiana, a deep-red southern state? I think he did pretty okay for himself.

He did pretty poorly in the 2016 GOP primaries, granted, but so did a dozen white guys. He dropped out before the first primary even happened, but so did Scott Walker, Lindsey Graham, and Rick Perry, three white Christians who (like him) had held statewide positions when they started their runs.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Fox plans to digitally insert Trump into the Republican debate tonight.

They are going to play statements and video clips by Trump, ask the other candidates to respond, and play clips of Trump criticizing the other candidates as "rebuttal" responses after they answer questions.

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1694383289480393026

This is sad, pathetic, and humiliating for everyone involved (except Trump). For Fox, it's an obviously desperate move. For the other candidates, it robs them of crucial screentime and puts a big spotlight on how irrelevant they actually are. I can't imagine anyone's happy about this except Trump.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 21:18

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Alkydere posted:

I'm with you. Is the holObama thing real or was it just them trying to save face after an embarrassing presentation of Old Man Yells At Chair?

I distinctly remember it being the claim afterward, but sadly cannot find anything concrete from the period to confirm it.

But, crucially, it is funnier than the alternative.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 21:25

Alkydere: Jun 7, 2010; Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:

I distinctly remember it being the claim afterward, but sadly cannot find anything concrete from the period to confirm it.

But, crucially, it is funnier than the alternative.

I mean let's be honest here: that whole thing was such a mess there is no non-funny explanation.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 22:06

Cicero: Dec 17, 2003; Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Does anyone have a link to the 2012 GOP primary debate DnD campaign thing that Shadowcatboy did? I think they posted the gifs somewhere on the internet.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 22:11

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# ? May 27, 2024 23:58

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Cicero posted:

Does anyone have a link to the 2012 GOP primary debate DnD campaign thing that Shadowcatboy did? I think they posted the gifs somewhere on the internet.

I assume you mean this.

# ? Aug 23, 2023 22:12

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