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Jaytan posted:Yeah it’s definitely the most boring solution. I’m very interested in how they hope to ever make itemization interesting when the (apparent) ideal decision tree for items is “pick the highest item level weapon, run defensive affixes where available. Nothing else matters” Vulnerable giving an additional effect rather than damage could be a nice way to go about it (spitballing let's say that vuln gives a flat increase to lucky hit chance for all classes and then class specific buffs like increased fury Gen against vuln for barb, increased crowd control duration/build up for sorc etc.) and change your vuln damage values to duration values on gear. Not sure if it's possible technically or if they'd want to tread down that road but I can see potential to open up gear options vastly like that.
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Changing vuln and crit isn’t going to make any of the other affixes better. Whatever they’re doing to allow more gear variety is going to have to improve everything else on top of making vuln and crit worse. If they want to make the problem simpler I’m sure nobody would miss most of the conditional affixes.
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Aug 23, 2023 16:30
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The S2 stuff looks like a bunch of bug fixes and QOL stuff but I guess we'll see. I pretty much tapped out of S1 at level 78 and it doesn't seem all that exciting to pull me back in. I'm actually kind of sad they are fixing resistances because I don't think we need another thing to try to care about on our 4 stats per gear piece.
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Aug 23, 2023 16:43
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Sets are cool and feel like a "Diablo"-thing since PoE has avoided adding them (except for those pseudo-sets from Bestiary league), would be cool if they added them but like someone else said at more of a "option" power-level like in D2 over the BiS status a lot of them had in D3.
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Jaytan posted:They said previously they’re going to make vulnerable additive. They could also make crit additive. Doing both these changes would solve those being the damage stats for every build. I mean you could make vulnerable status and crits into conditional chances to add +damage... but then why on earth would you want that instead of the already-present plethora of +damage options? You can have +50% damage or +50% damage but only when you proc vulnerable? That just reverses the situation there. Crits are weird because now taking crit chance becomes a sizable damage loss, but it's the only way to activate on-crit abilities, so those abilities would have to be amazing to compensate and you'd still never take crit damage over +damage so it'd just be for the procs. I guess you could seriously boost +vuln and +cd to compensate further for them being worse, but that's just racing the internet to figure out the math and that'll be done five minutes after the patch hits. Desperately clinging to having dozens of affixes doled out D2-style just reminds me of the builder/spender thing. Like the designers are in a room covering their ears and screaming "NO, IT'LL WORK! I'LL MAKE IT WORK" and you have to let them either burn out and leave or come to the realization on their own.
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The 2 item sets in D3 were cool in that they mostly allowed you some speedfarm variants and weren't as powerful as the main "pushing" sets. There's really no difference between D3 sets and D4 aspects though. You still collect a bunch of very specific multipliers for your damage and defense that work best for your build. Needing 5 specific aspects for your build to work is no different from needing 5 set pieces. Sure they super inflated the numbers in D3 but the end result is the same across both games.
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Aug 23, 2023 16:57
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Norse Code posted:uhh, what did I stumble in on here? Demon version of a rat king https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_king
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bamhand posted:The 2 item sets in D3 were cool in that they mostly allowed you some speedfarm variants and weren't as powerful as the main "pushing" sets. There's really no difference between D3 sets and D4 aspects though. You still collect a bunch of very specific multipliers for your damage and defense that work best for your build. Needing 5 specific aspects for your build to work is no different from needing 5 set pieces. Sure they super inflated the numbers in D3 but the end result is the same across both games. Yeah I was saying this. We're playing a slower D3 with a worse droprate due to the item pool and stat dilution. The loot filter is a bandaid to that dilution, but ultimately I'm seeing a Loot 2.0 in the game's future that will just get rid of the pointless 50 flavors of crowd control stats and introduce sets.
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Aug 23, 2023 17:18
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Cyrano4747 posted:They're idiots if they think it's making the side quests irrelevant. I agree with this post. I was pleasantly surprised by how many non-gamer folk had played or at least were aware of other people playing Diablo. Lots of them just beat the campaign and that was that. I like Diablo 4 and I hope it continues to improve.
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Tiny Timbs posted:Changing vuln and crit isn’t going to make any of the other affixes better. Whatever they’re doing to allow more gear variety is going to have to improve everything else on top of making vuln and crit worse. Yeah, I think removing some of the conditional affixes would be nice
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Aug 23, 2023 17:33
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Vic posted:The loot filter is a bandaid to that dilution According to the post they will let you filter the stash. Not the same as a loot filter where we can only pick up loot with certain stats. Sorting through loot is still going to be a headache without a true Last Epoch style loot filter.
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I feel like that kind of loot filter won't work here unless they rejigger the economy and crafting. Currently you need all those trash yellows and legendaries to break them down into mats and money. I wouldn't mind if that changed, to be clear.
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Norse Code posted:uhh, what did I stumble in on here? rear end to rear end to rear end to rear end to rear end Goddamn, I cannot beat the wt4 echo of varshan with my frost sorc. I get him down to 50% reliably, but that loving shield just keeps popping and I'm always seeming to run out of mana. I've also killed like three world bosses without the corresponding season task updating from 11/15. \/\/\/ ty Soonmot fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Aug 23, 2023 |
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Soonmot posted:rear end to rear end to rear end to rear end to rear end After the world boss dies, stick around in the zone for an extra 5 seconds. Five Miss. Is. Sip. Pi. If you immediately zoop right out of there you aren't getting your Tree of Whispers credit!
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Cyrano4747 posted:They're idiots if they think it's making the side quests irrelevant. Popularity is what sells your game to "normal" people. Not the quests, not the quality (well okay if it's a huge buggy mess that might be a problem), but the marketing. Duh.
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the season 2 stuff looks promising but lmao at the timing for these announcements. can't wait to see what they don't end up delivering on and what "fundamental changes to vuln and crit" looks like
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Tonetta posted:lmao at the timing for these announcements What happened?? Did he shidd & fart & came his pants while announcing it? I don't watch GamerCom or whatever it is
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Suppressor affix is making the post-game awful for me. I've run a bone spear necromancer through Season 1, and it's incidentally my first lv.100. I've been clawing my way up through the paragon boards and improving my glyphs, and I -could- potentially get past NM70, except suppressor affixed elites just stop my progress if they're encountered at all. Maybe it's because the ricochet on a bone spear is important to causing damage, but even getting point blank with a suppressor elite and magdumping my entire resource pool's worth of spears into them doesn't take them down, I'll always run out of corpses for my damage multipliers, and most of the big elites at that level just smear me in one hit anyhow. I feel like the only recourse you get for this is 'go play an alt that might not have problems with suppressor, enjoy grinding to cap again,' as I've heard other necro builds also don't deal with suppressor well.
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They confirmed that the 5 new bosses are permanent additions and going live on the Eternal Realm as well when Season 2 launches. Also, a fireside chat revealing new features and changes made based on Season 1 feedback coming "closer to launch" in September.
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5er posted:Suppressor affix is making the post-game awful for me. I've run a bone spear necromancer through Season 1, and it's incidentally my first lv.100. I've been clawing my way up through the paragon boards and improving my glyphs, and I -could- potentially get past NM70, except suppressor affixed elites just stop my progress if they're encountered at all. Maybe it's because the ricochet on a bone spear is important to causing damage, but even getting point blank with a suppressor elite and magdumping my entire resource pool's worth of spears into them doesn't take them down, I'll always run out of corpses for my damage multipliers, and most of the big elites at that level just smear me in one hit anyhow. I feel like the only recourse you get for this is 'go play an alt that might not have problems with suppressor, enjoy grinding to cap again,' as I've heard other necro builds also don't deal with suppressor well. As a ranged rogue I had some difficulties with suppressor as well. The thing that has worked the best for me is putting a Protector aspect in place, which lets me survive enough to kill them off point blank. Won't help your damage problem but may at least help the survivability side?
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Hulk Krogan posted:I feel like that kind of loot filter won't work here unless they rejigger the economy and crafting. Currently you need all those trash yellows and legendaries to break them down into mats and money. Maybe if it just highlighted the ones I need to look at twice vs instantly vendor that'd be good enough. My guess for the filter is that it's just going to work for stash and only highlight based on what you type, basically how search was implemented for D3.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They confirmed that the 5 new bosses are permanent additions and going live on the Eternal Realm as well when Season 2 launches. Good poo poo. That should mean they're in S3+ too.
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Hulk Krogan posted:I feel like that kind of loot filter won't work here unless they rejigger the economy and crafting. Currently you need all those trash yellows and legendaries to break them down into mats and money. At a certain point the mats become drops and you only need to spend money when you actually have a gear upgrade to shoot for (which becomes infrequent). In other games you'd handle this by making the filter more strict as you progress in the game.
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Wooo!!!! Wild to think October is 6 weeks away though, Jesus Christ
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Dr. Eldarion posted:As a ranged rogue I had some difficulties with suppressor as well. The thing that has worked the best for me is putting a Protector aspect in place, which lets me survive enough to kill them off point blank. Won't help your damage problem but may at least help the survivability side? I've got that aspect and a few other defensive ones in place, and I am just so god drat fragile at NM70+ that it just doesn't matter with most Suppressor encounters. If Suppressor is by itself I can usually get by okay, but if it's combined with poison enchant, cold enchant or especially fire enchant, I'm guaranteed hosed. I am considering that perhaps I can gearfarm for a bit, swap out my 2H for a 1H & shield. I've actually caught a couple good ilvl 810< shields before mulching/vending them and tucked them in the bank, but I haven't seen an enticing 1H to pair with it yet. My DPS may take a dip but the additional protection could be worth it.
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So there's no time gap between the end of season 1 and the start of season 2? That's different than what is done for D3 and D2R right?
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MrMidnight posted:So there's no time gap between the end of season 1 and the start of season 2? That's different than what is done for D3 and D2R right? Season 1 ends October 9th. Season 2 starts the next week on the 17th.
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Just two short months away.
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But I want more spaghetti Now!
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Cyrano4747 posted:They're idiots if they think it's making the side quests irrelevant. I get what you're saying but d4 is in that awkward spot where blizzard wants people to keep coming back and potentially spend more money on battlepasses. They're trying to sell a service so even normies who casually play need to be enticed enough to come back every 3 months. But the stuff they're doing to actually make it appealing don't seem to be working? It's different from games like street fighter 6 where people play for maybe a week and then dip out since we all know the core game was made for people who will continue grinding it. But even then capcom is doing cool stuff like ninja turtles dlc, what's blizzard doing except trying to fix their base game which seems deeply broken
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Uh.. Do you have any support for like... Any of that?
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You're asking for a source on Blizzard wanting people to buy battlepasses?
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Tiny Timbs posted:You're asking for a source on Blizzard wanting people to buy battlepasses? I don't care where you move the goal posts as long as you can make a better post than the one I was responding to.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:But I want more spaghetti Now! Calm down there's enough slop for you to enjoy until they sprinkle some dewormer on it
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Actually, Blizzard made Diablo 4 always online and brute forced all the half baked MMO elements into the game and added an embarrassingly bad battlepass as a prank. They did not intend to monetize the game at all!
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Season 1 ends October 9th. Season 2 starts the next week on the 17th. Blizzard needs to update their in-game news panel on character select. It's still saying Season of the Malignant doesn't end until Oct 17th.
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Vic posted:Calm down there's enough slop for you to enjoy until they sprinkle some dewormer on it I was responding to your whinging that spaghetti is 2 months away, silly. I've finished my plate for now and politely excused myself from the table
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I was responding to your whinging that spaghetti is 2 months away, silly. I've finished my plate for now and politely excused myself from the table 
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I don't care where you move the goal posts as long as you can make a better post than the one I was responding to. That's not moving the goal posts, that's their first point. I already figured you didn't read the posts you respond to after you tried to own me last time.
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