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MechanicalTomPetty posted:It's unreal that both those films had the same writer. It makes me wonder what was going on behind the scenes because it seems pretty clear in retrospect that Villeneuve is the only reason the first one turned out the way it
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:It's unreal that both those films had the same writer. It makes me wonder what was going on behind the scenes because it seems pretty clear in retrospect that Villeneuve is the only reason the first one turned out the way it did. If the cursory information about the movie's production on Wikipedia is accurate, it seems that the studio commissioned a sequel about Benicio del Toro's character after the first movie performed well, with Villeneuve & Blunt on board to return. Then for some reason people started dropping out of this studio-mandated sequel (which Sheridan calls a "stand-alone spin-off" and not a true sequel), and Villeneuve was replaced by an Italian TV director who had never directed a movie in English before.
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Snowman_McK posted:I'm genuinely surprised to see the first only has one writer. I figured Villeneuve or one of his guys (does Villeneuve have 'guys'? a lot of directors do) rewrote it. The usual formula for that story (military special forces vs. cartels) is that the ops are going well until government loses its nerve and cancels the operation. The hard men making hard decisions could have succeeded. Think the Clear and Present Danger book rather than film or the Cobra by Frederick Forsyth. The horror of Sicario is that the op succeeds, no one in the government loses their nerve or has any problem with what's going on. The op is horrifying, and it's not even intended to do any real good, just get the drug war back to a manageable state. It's that old saying: The only thing worse than not getting what you want is getting it. According to a quick google, directors can't claim a writing credit unless there are no other writers in the production. It definitely seems likely Villeneuve had a strong hand over the writing over the first one.
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Was the other writer active in the sequel or is he credited just from being involved in the first?
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Shageletic posted:According to a quick google, directors can't claim a writing credit unless there are no other writers in the production. It definitely seems likely Villeneuve had a strong hand over the writing over the first one. The WGA rules are that while someone who’s just credited as a writer gets credit if they’ve written 33% or more of the “final script”, but directors need 55% or more and producers need 65% or more, presumably on the logic that they’re getting a bigger chunk of residuals anyway and they don’t need to horn in on our cut. So yeah if a director’s not credited as a writer they still can have written quite a bit of it. And yeah often times if a director is there from early on the writer(s) will be taking them into consideration, like Evan Hunter wrote for Hitchcock and was very clear that Hitch was part of the writing process.
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Snowman_McK posted:They also took Brolin's flip flops away. When I saw that a sequel existed and what it looked like I was blown away. It made no sense at all!!! I'm going to watch some of the press interviews around 2 might actually be quite interesting
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distortion park posted:When I saw that a sequel existed and what it looked like I was blown away. It made no sense at all!!! I'm going to watch some of the press interviews around 2 might actually be quite interesting I can only assume they had hoped that Sicario 2 would be the Rambo to Sicario 1's Rambo: First Blood.
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Alan Smithee posted:Gal Gadot Cleopatra vs Jada Pinkett Cleopatra in the Hellenistic Cinematic Universe I'm tired of people being totemic about Ptolemaics.
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since we're on Sicario, part of the difference may very well lie in the execution. The tunnel sequence near the end, as it is exists, is about incomprehension. Blunt's character is completely out of her depth and is groping in the darkness. Because metaphors are difficult, the scene is in the dark. We can only see anything via night vision, muzzle flashes and a few small lamps. There's a gunfight happening, but we see very little of it and the camera isn't interested in it. We just see soldiers firing off down corridors. We don't see who they're aiming at or whether they hit anything (because the film's point is that it sort of doesn't matter if they do) and finally she emerges into light and discovers the titular character. And, while this answers some of her questions, there are many others it does not. It's a scene about how someone can only see a tiny part of the puzzle, and that's all in the execution. If you strip back the choices Villeneuve and Deakins made and just focus on the plot events or stage directions as they would be present in the script, you can boil it down to "some special forces guys get in a gunfight to insert their asset." Working off the exact same script that Villeneuve did, you could just get a straightforward action scene. I have to think that might have been what Sheridan was imagining when he wrote it. Similarly, the scene in the sequel where Brolin and his guys just (spoilered in case anyone wants to watch this terrible film) slaughter a bunch of surrendered cartel guys could have been very different. A better or more considered director could have made it a memorable scene. A nihilistic capstone to a failed mission. You could depict it as a scene of dispassionate violence, just clerks closing a particular account. It could be something the operators enjoy, a release of finally having something to shoot at. It could be blend or some other idea. Instead, it's a scene of righteous retribution. All the guys who shot our child kidnapping anti-hero getting their compeuppance. Don't worry, the one mildly ambiguous character already left, but we'll undo that scene in a coda. Sicario may be proof that you can make a good film out of a bad script, based on what the same writer did with more control.
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The number 3 movie Monday and Tuesday was Coraline thanks to Fanthom events, it made enough money they are adding more screenings later this month https://www.animationmagazine.net/2023/08/dates-added-for-coraline-5m-theatrical-return/
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Grendels Dad posted:I can only assume they had hoped that Sicario 2 would be the Rambo to Sicario 1's Rambo: First Blood. Rambo is the 4th movie, and Rambo: First Blood isn't the name of any of the movies. You might be thinking "Rambo: First Blood Part 2" and "First Blood" respectively.
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Baron von Eevl posted:Rambo is the 4th movie, and Rambo: First Blood isn't the name of any of the movies. You might be thinking "Rambo: First Blood Part 2" and "First Blood" respectively. I still can't believe they didn't call the fourth one FIRST BLOOD: Rambo Part II to bring it all the way around. But at least they never made a fifth one, that would probably suck with how Stallone is now.
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Neo Rasa posted:I still can't believe they didn't call the fourth one FIRST BLOOD: Rambo Part II to bring it all the way around. But at least they never made a fifth one, that would probably suck with how Stallone is now. 7m27s the soundtrack give it a few seconds lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVJYpMESr74
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tired: this film is dedicated... wired: THE STORY OF ME MUST BE TOLD I AM RAMBO YOU WILL BEHOLD
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Mortal Kombat 11 of all things actually gave a proper conclusion to Rambo's story. He received the power over time and tried to make history better but realised that there's too many consequences beyond his control, so in the end he just settled down in a quiet cabin in the mountains. Come to think of it, Terminator also had a good ending in that game. The Terminator tried to make it so that Skynet wins but every time it tries either Skynet loses or both it and humans destroy each other. So it logically concluded that it should make world where humans and AI coexist peacefully. Then to protect the world from obtaining its powers, the Terminator threw itself into Outworld's bottomless Sea of Blood. Edit: I have to mention Jax's ending where he ended slavery forever. The MSJ fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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I once heard a possibly apocryphal story that Rambo's name/title comes from the Japanese word 乱暴 (ranbou) meaning violence.
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Neo Rasa posted:I still can't believe they didn't call the fourth one FIRST BLOOD: Rambo Part II to bring it all the way around. But at least they never made a fifth one, that would probably suck with how Stallone is now. Hate to be the bearer of Bad News but just in case it’s not a  situation ….Rambo: Last Blood - Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambo:_Last_Blood
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The Great Burrito posted:Hate to be the bearer of Bad News but just in case it’s not a It's very rude to Rick Roll people with a Rambo movie that doesn't exist.
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hallo spacedog posted:I once heard a possibly apocryphal story that Rambo's name/title comes from the Japanese word 乱暴 (ranbou) meaning violence. No, I read recently where it came from but forget, but it was something simpler than that. “Saw a name, liked it” kind of stuff.
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The MSJ posted:Mortal Kombat 11 of all things actually gave a proper conclusion to Rambo's story. He received the power over time and tried to make history better but realised that there's too many consequences beyond his control, so in the end he just settled down in a quiet cabin in the mountains. This is the only Mortal Kombat ending that matters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaUvrr8ajkE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rjMwSTeVeo They're doing IMAX screenings starting Sept. 11 and then Sept. 29 elsewhere. Check your local listings. I can't loving wait.
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Professor Shark posted:No, I read recently where it came from but forget, but it was something simpler than that. “Saw a name, liked it” kind of stuff. I choose to believe it's after the gay French poet Rimbaud, pronounced the same
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Professor Shark posted:No, I read recently where it came from but forget, but it was something simpler than that. “Saw a name, liked it” kind of stuff. This dumb story has taken up brain space in my head for like about 23 years at this point so I'm kinda glad to be able to let go of it
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Neo Rasa posted:I still can't believe they didn't call the fourth one FIRST BLOOD: Rambo Part II to bring it all the way around. But at least they never made a fifth one, that would probably suck with how Stallone is now. It really does. Aside from being creatively bankrupt, deeply uninteresting, cynical and deeply racist, it's also just really boring for 90% of its length and the finale isn't nearly good enough to overcome the rest of it. It's like someone saw Sicario 2 and decided that was too politically nuanced. hallo spacedog posted:I once heard a possibly apocryphal story that Rambo's name/title comes from the Japanese word 乱暴 (ranbou) meaning violence. Nah he's named after an apple. Source: An interview with the book's author on one of the surprisingly good DVD packages the first three got around 2005.
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Snowman_McK posted:Nah he's named after an apple. Source: An interview with the book's author on one of the surprisingly good DVD packages the first three got around 2005. I wonder if that story was partially inspired by how a lot of Asian Rambo-inspired video games/movies/etc. from the time have really simple names along those lines in Asian regions like just FURY, BLOODY JUNGLE, BATTLEFIELD, WARGOD, etc.
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It's just Wikipedia but for whatever it's worth it just seems the author had many Vietnam war veteran students and was also fond of a 1930s pulp novel with a somewhat similar narrative arc. While he was trying to name the protagonist, his wife brought home the groceries, including some Rambo apples.
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Alternate Granny Smith timeline.
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Red Delicious First Blood
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Beachcomber posted:Alternate Granny Smith timeline. Fuji was a smash hit in Japan.
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Zach Snyder did two not-Star Wars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rHLOXbFZtI
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Tars Tarkas posted:Zach Snyder did two not-Star Wars Actually lost track with the amount of genres and movies being ripped off in that trailer I'll still watch that garbage
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lol how many hundreds of millions did netflix waste on that junk.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Actually lost track with the amount of genres and movies being ripped off in that trailer Username+post combo of the year
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Tars Tarkas posted:Zach Snyder did two not-Star Wars Yeah, the not-lightsabers are a bit much, but the overall level of cheesiness and throwing poo poo at the wall is flashing me back to Chronicles of Riddick. I've always been sad that one only got what was apparently a Pitch Black remake as a sequel, not a full-scale followup.
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Tars Tarkas posted:Zach Snyder did two not-Star Wars Zach Snyder presents: Jupiter Ascending But Without Any Whimsy
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istewart posted:Yeah, the not-lightsabers are a bit much, but the overall level of cheesiness and throwing poo poo at the wall is flashing me back to Chronicles of Riddick. I've always been sad that one only got what was apparently a Pitch Black remake as a sequel, not a full-scale followup.
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dr_rat posted:What if we made a space fantasy film but the good guys were also fascists! You're just making things up to be mad about now.
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