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Runa posted:Turns out humans are capable of conceptualizing things they cannot themselves experience regardless of what generation they were born in. yeah, like that goon who dedicated his entire life to giantess porn.
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Runa posted:Turns out humans are capable of conceptualizing things they cannot themselves experience regardless of what generation they were born in. I dunno, that's not what Rau said.
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NikkolasKing posted:I dunno, that's not what Rau said. It's also not what Mikazuki said, either. I mean, to be fair, though, there may be multiple interpretations for "What should I do next? Who should I kill next? What should I destroy next?"
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Aug 20, 2023 00:55
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Rau should've stuck to cookware
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Gaius Marius posted:Rau should've stuck to cookware big fan of his line of dutch ovens
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Runa posted:big fan of his line of dutch ovens I'm not they're loving $200 now.
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Can't believe I forgot Windmill Gundam was in the Dark History Files in Turn A. Should of been Gun Cannon
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So I sure did miss a lot of implied subtext in Guin's final speech to Lily in the last episode of Turn A or lacked the media savvy to see it at the time.....
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Aug 21, 2023 06:25
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Is it even subtext with Guin? That's like saying its Subtext with Suletta and Miorine.
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Aug 21, 2023 21:08
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Guin's feelings are clearly up for interpretation.
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Fivemarks posted:Is it even subtext with Guin? That's like saying its Subtext with Suletta and Miorine. Didn't stop Bandai from trying.
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I wonder how much of that came from the changes in the real world. I can't help but see how newtype-ism paralleling the shift from IRL 70s hippies and counterculture inspiring an unimaginable future to the boomers of today. They began as literally psychic psychedelics, and they ended up being just another part of the world that didn't really change things after all.
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golden bubble posted:I wonder how much of that came from the changes in the real world. I can't help but see how newtype-ism paralleling the shift from IRL 70s hippies and counterculture inspiring an unimaginable future to the boomers of today. They began as literally psychic psychedelics, and they ended up being just another part of the world that didn't really change things after all. This was kinda Amuro's thesis in CCA. Newtypes weren't some magic bullet. They might inspire hope, they might even be able to do some of the things Deikun stumbled upon. But "make everyone Newtypes now" wouldn't fix the structural issues with humanity overnight. That will take a concerted push over generations, but it can be done if we put in the work. Dropping a big loving rock on Earth wouldn't achieve this.
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Warmachine posted:This was kinda Amuro's thesis in CCA. Newtypes weren't some magic bullet. They might inspire hope, they might even be able to do some of the things Deikun stumbled upon. But "make everyone Newtypes now" wouldn't fix the structural issues with humanity overnight. That will take a concerted push over generations, but it can be done if we put in the work. Dropping a big loving rock on Earth wouldn't achieve this. The idea Newtypes aren't a magic bullet was always stressed to me by other fans who point to Amuro and Char. Their "understanding each other" didn't help poo poo, they hated each other even more, perhaps. Then you got folks like Scirocco who is a fantastically powerful Newtype and an even worse person than Char.
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Aug 23, 2023 01:52
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Scirocco betrayed people unlike my man Char.
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Otoh char and amuro bonding over wanting a mommy gf did save the planet from destruction so who can say for sure
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Actually Earth was saved because the Nu Gundam's basketball skills weren't just for show. Funny thing about the movie is how Mirai sounds the whole time in her plot looking like she is completely done with all this poo poo.
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Arc Hammer posted:Actually Earth was saved because the Nu Gundam's basketball skills weren't just for show. Mirai was one of the first Newtypes, and has been stuck pulling double parenting duty because insane space fascists keep forcing her husband to work overtime. She is very done with this poo poo.
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I can't blame anyone from the White Base crew for being done with this poo poo, it just keeps happening, they never get a break.
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Blaze Dragon posted:I can't blame anyone from the White Base crew for being done with this poo poo, it just keeps happening, they never get a break. It's a small miracle Bright kept going. Sayla and Kai got out, and Fraw and Mirai married out, but the other folks who stayed in seem to have a rather high mortality rate.
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golden bubble posted:I wonder how much of that came from the changes in the real world. I can't help but see how newtype-ism paralleling the shift from IRL 70s hippies and counterculture inspiring an unimaginable future to the boomers of today. They began as literally psychic psychedelics, and they ended up being just another part of the world that didn't really change things after all. We need to complete the arc. We need a Gundam where Newtypes are part of the problem and making things worse for everyone.
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Wouldn't that be Unicorn?
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Vord posted:Wouldn't that be Unicorn? No, Unicorn's message is the same as Yamato 2202. It's different from "Newtypes have hosed thigns up for everyone."
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Endorph posted:also gundam x I choose to blame the UNE and SRA.
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Stairmaster posted:Otoh char and amuro bonding over wanting a mommy gf did save the planet from destruction so who can say for sure I don’t know if I’d say Amuro bonded with Char over that.
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haypliss posted:UNE When did they change it from 'New Federation', that has a much better mouthfeel.
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I'd join the Lady UNE Federation if I wasn't afraid of getting tossed out of a plane and then shot in the head on my way down.
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Arc Hammer posted:I'd join the Lady UNE Federation if I wasn't afraid of getting tossed out of a plane and then shot in the head on my way down. Probably better than just getting chucked out of the plane.
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Arc Hammer posted:I'd join the Lady UNE Federation if I wasn't afraid of getting tossed out of a plane and then shot in the head on my way down. Sign me up to follow a woman of such skill and talent as to hit me cleanly in the forehead as I fall out of a moving airplane. That's the kind of competence you can trust to carry you to the promised land.
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Vord posted:Wouldn't that be Unicorn? Riddhe's thesis statement in Unicorn was "newtypes are a curse that ruin everything", and his entire arc was realizing that that line of thinking was hosed up and wrong, since the point of Unicorn was basically the opposite. Unicorn makes a standard pattern statement that *weaponizing* newtypes ruins everything, but newtypes themselves are the future. Endorph posted:also gundam x This also probably falls into "assholes weaponizing newtypes is the problem, not newtypes themselves" category, though it does come out swinging differently with the "newtypes are a weird mutant offshoot and not the future of humanity" bit.
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Kanos posted:This also probably falls into "assholes weaponizing newtypes is the problem, not newtypes themselves" category, though it does come out swinging differently with the "newtypes are a weird mutant offshoot and not the future of humanity" bit. Gundam X ultimately leans towards the idea that Newtypes exist, but that people obsessing over them are going down a blind alley. The idea of them as "weird mutation" and not "the future of mankind" is in line with the thesis that the real problem with Newtypes are all the people who won't shut up about Newtypes already.
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Omnicrom posted:Gundam X ultimately leans towards the idea that Newtypes exist, but that people obsessing over them are going down a blind alley. The idea of them as "weird mutation" and not "the future of mankind" is in line with the thesis that the real problem with Newtypes are all the people who won't shut up about Newtypes already. I feel like this... didn't really work in a setting where one brain could remote-control an entire army of citykilling doom-robots? Sorry, DOME, you're important enough to reshape human history in the most apocalyptic possible way. Learn to deal with it.
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Darth Walrus posted:I feel like this... didn't really work in a setting where one brain could remote-control an entire army of citykilling doom-robots? Sorry, DOME, you're important enough to reshape human history in the most apocalyptic possible way. Learn to deal with it. https://youtu.be/ncYQ6GUtLwc?si=aE5JqlOJOTNbNPyw
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Darth Walrus posted:I feel like this... didn't really work in a setting where one brain could remote-control an entire army of citykilling doom-robots? Sorry, DOME, you're important enough to reshape human history in the most apocalyptic possible way. Learn to deal with it. There's like fifty qualifying statements you have to append to that I think.
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Darth Walrus posted:I feel like this... didn't really work in a setting where one brain could remote-control an entire army of citykilling doom-robots? Sorry, DOME, you're important enough to reshape human history in the most apocalyptic possible way. Learn to deal with it. I think one of Gundam X's big problems is that it's more reacting to previous Gundam than it is to the actual setting. So, as commentary, it doesn't quite mesh with the in-world logic, just like how the massive armies to let it do Gundam things don't fit well with the whole "fifteen years after the end" bit. (Actually, it might be the fastest Gundam show to escalate that way, looking back. Most shows stick to the skirmishing stage a little longer.)
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The thing about Newtypes in X is that it isn't saying people being able to do these things isn't important, it's saying that the term "Newtype" has been rendered useless as a description of humanity's future by being overdefined by people with power. There was a vision of tomorrow, and then it got defined by people who saw it and said "how do we use these people to reinforce existing power and rebuild our glorious past?" instead of looking forwards. They have said a Newtype is someone with traits A, B, and C that are useful militarily, anything else is of no interest, and that definition has become so ingrained that we have to move on from the idea of "Newtypes" to reach a wider vision of what humanity can become. Obviously, this can't be applied 1-to-1 to the UC-CC-RC timeline, but it's an interesting lens.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:I don’t know if I’d say Amuro bonded with Char over that. Few people know that the real reason for the Axis Shock was the psycommu on the Nu Gundam reacting to intense cringe at the very last moment
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Azran posted:Few people know that the real reason for the Axis Shock was the psycommu on the Nu Gundam reacting to intense cringe at the very last moment Becoming a full Newtype to rewind time on Twitter back to before it was ever coded.
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1st Stage Midboss posted:The thing about Newtypes in X is that it isn't saying people being able to do these things isn't important, it's saying that the term "Newtype" has been rendered useless as a description of humanity's future by being overdefined by people with power. There was a vision of tomorrow, and then it got defined by people who saw it and said "how do we use these people to reinforce existing power and rebuild our glorious past?" instead of looking forwards. They have said a Newtype is someone with traits A, B, and C that are useful militarily, anything else is of no interest, and that definition has become so ingrained that we have to move on from the idea of "Newtypes" to reach a wider vision of what humanity can become. I think Gundam ought to expand and explore the concept elsewhere, but they're going to keep loving the chicken that is the UC, you might get similar effects by either having the key antagonist of the perspective group be a Newtype when nobody else is, or by having a Newtype who for whatever reason doesn't want to open up to that part of themselves, but is being compelled to do so in order to survive, without having the reluctance turn into "oh I guess I just had to get over it."
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