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It's honestly very telling that some of my favorite lines from 03 come from the dynamic between Splinter as the father of four teenagers and April as their new semi-mom/older sister. Off the top of my head there's like three: (Boys are eating very messily) April: So... one would think that table manners would be on the training regiment? Splinter: (tone of "believe me, I tried") One would think. (Mikey just let out a mondo burp) April: EUGH! Splinter: This is what I live with all the time. April: (good naturedly but still pointedly) I feel like I just went from 'happily single' to 'mother of four' overnight. Splinter: Tell me about it.
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There's a lot I never thought about that dynamic, but it makes sense. Especially with the 80s Turtles being more of a comedy troupe- the show is remembered for its goofiness in comparison to later versions, but it figures that it was actually pretty good at it. Also interesting that things like April being more of a peer and a potential love interest, and Splinter being an outright adoptive father, are later additions. The found family dynamic is a lot more interesting from a lot of angles, and can see why they wanted to play down the only initial female character being immediately assigned to a den mother role. That said, having a generation gap between them is an interesting angle I feel like they could do more with.
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Aug 25, 2023 11:14
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I'd forgotten TMNT 2003 just kind of goes for it. Just opens up with the Mousers tearing up their hideout and it almost feels like it expects you to sort of know about the Turtles beforehand?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's a lot I never thought about that dynamic, but it makes sense. Especially with the 80s Turtles being more of a comedy troupe- the show is remembered for its goofiness in comparison to later versions, but it figures that it was actually pretty good at it. All the same though, the 80’s Turtles weren’t total idiots (something Turtles Forever and to an extent, the 2012 crossover kind of unfairly portrayed them as). Also despite the show’s weird obsession with damseling her April still was pretty competent a lot of the time. Having rewatched it recently (also the first two seasons were recently added to Paramount+) some aspects of the OG show still hold up surprisingly well
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Dawgstar posted:I'd forgotten TMNT 2003 just kind of goes for it. Just opens up with the Mousers tearing up their hideout and it almost feels like it expects you to sort of know about the Turtles beforehand? Look, that's what they have an expository theme song for.
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Aug 25, 2023 15:04
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I think we had this discussion before. Teen Titans was the same way, it might have been the style at the time.
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Aug 25, 2023 15:17
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A bit of hte style at the time and a bit of "you probably know the baseline pitch for the TMNT" since the latest show (the awful live action one) was only like five years ago and I assume the toys kept going.
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Aug 25, 2023 15:23
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The baseline pitch is right in the title. They are teenage, mutant, ninjas and turtles. Where you go with that is up to you.
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BioEnchanted posted:The baseline pitch is right in the title. They are teenage, mutant, ninjas and turtles. Where you go with that is up to you.
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Aug 25, 2023 17:51
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Oh man, Episode 9 of MAWS was that good Studio MIR poo poo. Beautiful. It'd be cool if Kryptonians were like straight up Saiyans and part of Clark arc is saying gently caress you to his biological dad, which I keep wanting because they're shifting Goku to having an appreciation to Bardock which sucks, but I think We're heading into Braniac having taken over Krypton's tech, the destruction of the planet maybe being something done by Clark's dad to prevent an universal invasion.
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BioEnchanted posted:The baseline pitch is right in the title. They are teenage, mutant, ninjas and turtles. Where you go with that is up to you. Which is probably why the concept is so robust and enduring.
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Aug 25, 2023 18:53
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Larryb posted:All the same though, the 80’s Turtles weren’t total idiots (something Turtles Forever and to an extent, the 2012 crossover kind of unfairly portrayed them as). Also despite the show’s weird obsession with damseling her April still was pretty competent a lot of the time. Yeah I think what really struck me is that even though they’re partly vehicles for comedy, it’s not the same comedy all the time. They have different dynamics and quirks to play off of. Turtles Forever really doesn’t understand that nuance. Reached the first appearance of Casey Jones, who I didn’t expect to be so completely unhinged. Raph still has some fondness for the guy, but there’s a real sense that Casey has to be kept on a short leash to keep him from completely ruining their lives. It’s still nice to see the Turtles have outside friends in newer versions, but the early wild card aspect of his character is really appreciated.
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If I remember right I believe '87 is also the only show where April and Casey never meet (in fact I think the latter is only in about 2-3 episodes total), aside from Next Mutation where they just don't exist despite it allegedly taking place in the OG live action movie universe
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I don't know how I've only just now heard the news about this whole classic Cartoon Network block being at 5 now, but like... has CN just given the gently caress up now or what? I know cable in general is dying and of course the new management Also I know now in the age of DVRs actual schedules mean nothing but I also saw that the new Tiny Toons show is coming out at 9 AM which means that literally no actual child will see it unless they're out of school sick or something lol.
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TwoPair posted:I don't know how I've only just now heard the news about this whole classic Cartoon Network block being at 5 now, but like... has CN just given the gently caress up now or what? I know cable in general is dying and of course the new management The new management seems to believe that animation is either ADULT COMEDY or BABY SHOWS. My guess here is that anything that would have otherwise been all-ages is most likely going to be shoved into the BABY SHOWS time slots when older kids are at school and when adults at home need something to distract the baby while doing other stuff, whether it makes demographic sense or not. CN is now folded into Warner Animation completely, with Adult Swim being given a 2nd chance of being somewhat separate as an identity. come to think of it, the new Tiny Toons was likely commissioned and approved by the old regime, so Zaslav and co likely don't have much love or attachment to it, and would be willing to just burn off the episodes in that time slot to fulfill some kind of contractural obligation.
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Speaking of Warner, is that new Batman cartoon they mentioned a little while back still happening?
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Also good Superman this week, seems like so fair they’re painting the Kryptonians as the baddies in this series which makes me curious how they’re ultimately going to handle Brainiac. Nice to see Lois’s dad isn’t a total rear end in a top hat and I hope he gets to interact with his daughter at some point
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Aug 26, 2023 00:15
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Larryb posted:Also good Superman this week, seems like so fair they’re painting the Kryptonians as the baddies in this series which makes me curious how they’re ultimately going to handle Brainiac. Brainiac is gonna be the Frieza to the Kryptonian Saiyans
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Xelkelvos posted:Brainiac is gonna be the Frieza to the Kryptonian Saiyans Makes sense
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Xelkelvos posted:Brainiac is gonna be the Frieza to the Kryptonian Saiyans You see Brainiac, you're not dealing with the average Kryptonian...
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Larryb posted:Speaking of Warner, is that new Batman cartoon they mentioned a little while back still happening? Prime picked it up.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Prime picked it up. Ah, right. Seems we still don’t have a release date for Caped Crusader yet though aside from “end of 2023” Larryb fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Aug 26, 2023 |
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Larryb posted:Also good Superman this week, seems like so fair they’re painting the Kryptonians as the baddies in this series which makes me curious how they’re ultimately going to handle Brainiac. I'm assuming that they'll go with the STAS version of Brainiac who's an evil Kryptonian supercomputer that hijacked and destroyed their civilisation. He killed Clark's old family, and now he's coming for his new one.
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Darth Walrus posted:I'm assuming that they'll go with the STAS version of Brainiac who's an evil Kryptonian supercomputer that hijacked and destroyed their civilisation. He killed Clark's old family, and now he's coming for his new one. Oh yeah, I forgot Brainiac being created on Krypton was purely an invention of the Bruce Timm show (though I also wouldn’t be surprised if they went with a similar origin here) Larryb fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Aug 26, 2023 |
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Larryb posted:Also good Superman this week, seems like so fair they’re painting the Kryptonians as the baddies in this series which makes me curious how they’re ultimately going to handle Brainiac. Yeah General Lane, while a dude carrying a lot of baggage, can see around that baggage. He probably wishes he couldn’t though. Waller is…well. She’s Waller. 
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MorningMoon posted:Oh man, Episode 9 of MAWS was that good Studio MIR poo poo. Beautiful. Seems like they might be setting up Brainiac as the BBEG (at least for now), so that looks cool. Seriously, I'm really happy that they're going this route instead of having Lex Luthor be the 24/7 archnemesis of Superman. I admit, I'd have much preferred General Zod as the main nemesis, but eh, that's just me. Larryb posted:Nice to see Lois’s dad isn’t a total rear end in a top hat and I hope he gets to interact with his daughter at some point Same here! I do hope he meets Clark as an in-law  Nice to see Waller being Waller as well- despite my earlier opinion on Lex being a tired archnemesis, I do like Amanda Waller doing CADMUS stuff. I also hope we get to see more of Livewire- I found her meh at best in the original Superman animated series, but this incarnation kicks all kinds of rear end, and basically started off this whole mess, after all. It'd be a waste if she didn't become more of a major character.
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related to the current turtles discussion: have you guys ever come across a show that definitely existed around the time you were a kid but somehow missed it? i used to be an extremely religious T.V. watcher as a kid and i was confident that i came across pretty much anything that was remotely animated that existed on network T.V. in the 90s and yet...somehow, i didn't know about the existence of the Red Sky TMNT episodes until several years after they came out. i'm not saying i discovered them at some point into adulthood or something (like that weird Avengers cartoon from the 90s). no i was still a kid but i somehow missed the initial run. i watched a handful of episodes back in the day but i didn't discover them until like 97/98. that's around the time i thought they were released(specifically because it was after the first power rangers movie). but no! apparently they were aired as far back as 1994! it's made all the weirder considering it being TMNT they didn't put it in some lovely, pre-5 AM time slot or anything like that either. just wanted to rant on that a bit
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Mr Interweb posted:related to the current turtles discussion: Back in the OL' DAYS syndication and broadcast was much more at the discretion of local channels, so there are tons of cartoons that were just shuffled around and flat-out unseen by pockets of the country.
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Yeah when seasonal changes like the Red Sky Turtles you mention are accompanied by station and/or timeslot changes then it's easy to lose track of things. These weren't even cable shows, they were on whatever your local channels were. The last episode of Roughnecks The Starship Troopers Chronicles that millions of kids watched was the end of the jungle planet arc where the main character appears to die because that's when the BKN syndication package lost half of the channels carrying it.
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Later seasons of cartoons are also very often barely aired and dumped forgotten while earlier seasons get rerun.
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On the evil Kryptonian idea, let me just place this here: "Jor-El was an average warrior, but a BRILLIANT scientist!"
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Assepoester posted:Yeah when seasonal changes like the Red Sky Turtles you mention are accompanied by station and/or timeslot changes then it's easy to lose track of things. These weren't even cable shows, they were on whatever your local channels were. The last episode of Roughnecks The Starship Troopers Chronicles that millions of kids watched was the end of the jungle planet arc where the main character appears to die because that's when the BKN syndication package lost half of the channels carrying it. Yeah, I'm not sure the Red Sky stuff was ever broadcast around here. I didn't find out about it until much later and thought the 2003 TMNT special was completely in the right to make such fun of the original cartoon because I wasn't even aware the Red Sky stuff existed which, amusingly, is itself closer in tone to the 2003 series.
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, I'm not sure the Red Sky stuff was ever broadcast around here. I didn't find out about it until much later and thought the 2003 TMNT special was completely in the right to make such fun of the original cartoon because I wasn't even aware the Red Sky stuff existed which, amusingly, is itself closer in tone to the 2003 series.
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BioEnchanted posted:On the evil Kryptonian idea, let me just place this here: "Jor-El was an average scientist, but a BRILLIANT warrior!" Fixed that for you
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In MAWS, I assume that was General Zod? I got the impression that the hardware was all powered from Krypton, and the planet exploded at the moment Earth was about to be invaded, so it all just died. I’d love to know more about the arrival of the, uh, Arrival-esque obelisks, that was truly alien and a great visual. Did they travel all the way to Earth through space, a necessary end point for the portal? Maybe it was a different multiverse version of Kal-El? How much did it match up with Lois’s sphere hologram? Was Earth about to be invaded by Krypton from another dimension?? Tune in next time, flamers! 
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Assepoester posted:Well sorta, there's more continuity and the new main villain is an alien Also April finally ditched the yellow jumpsuit for something more sensible for a reporter to wear. It even gave the show an ending (of sorts anyway) Speaking of, it’s kind of a pity Renae Jacobs didn’t really seem to do a whole lot of note career wise other than TMNT and a guest appearance in the 2012 series (her last role appears to be a documentary from 2020) Larryb fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Aug 26, 2023 |
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Mr Interweb posted:related to the current turtles discussion: I'm like that with TMNT in general. I don't know how I missed them because I was certainly aware of who the Turtles were, hell I even had a toy of some old vehicle of theirs that shot pizzas, but the only episodes I ever watched were a collection of 2 or 3 that my cousin had on VHS. After that the most interaction I had was the episode of Power Rangers In Space where they showed up where again, I thought they were neat, but not enough to sell me on actually watching their show (which I hear was ultimately a dodged bullet as no one likes talking about the Next Mutation).
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Next Mutation had a few fun villains but that’s about the best I can say regarding that show
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, I'm not sure the Red Sky stuff was ever broadcast around here. I didn't find out about it until much later and thought the 2003 TMNT special was completely in the right to make such fun of the original cartoon because I wasn't even aware the Red Sky stuff existed which, amusingly, is itself closer in tone to the 2003 series. Yeah, poking around a little, it sounds like the later seasons were on a separate syndication deal from the rest of the show, so whether or not you saw them would be entirely dependent on your local stations. Later on, a lot of shows would be more closely tied to a specific network.
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Larryb posted:Next Mutation had a few fun villains but that’s about the best I can say regarding that show Yeah, I have a friend who watched it (they are braver than I ever could be) and the one thing they remembered liking is a bit where Splinter has a friendship with a blind guy who he plays chess with, which I thought was a neat idea (and someone else probably did because I'm 85% sure that was the inspiration behind Murakami, the blind chef from the CGI show).
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