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weg, Toxic Mental)
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zone posted:
is that rust just billowing about the treads like a cloud of pigpen stank?
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Aug 25, 2023 20:22
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Dick Bastardly posted:is that rust just billowing about the treads like a cloud of pigpen stank? russian patina, very valuable on these antiques
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Aug 25, 2023 20:32
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https://twitter.com/BlackRedGuard1/status/1694792051982745632 tankies: "Culture War Bad"
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Aug 25, 2023 21:00
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probably Khrushchev drawing on his stuff to make him look bad
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Aug 25, 2023 21:16
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he pounded it with his shoe
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Aug 25, 2023 21:18
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Word had different meanings back then idiots. Like how all fancy dresses used to be called toilets. He was giving him resounding comradic praise.
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Aug 25, 2023 21:21
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Don't sign other people's posts lmao
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Aug 25, 2023 21:23
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zone posted:
Sure, it would be foolhardy to employ them offensively, but as self-propelled artillery in defensive placements augmenting behind the trenches I'm sure they can be used effectively? Especially in numbers? Wouldn't want to crew one though. But even defensively, barrel fatigue is going to soon render them inaccurate but still able to gently caress up an infantry assault from a distance. I would imagine that's how Ukraine is using poo poo Soviet armor and they probably would want as many as they could get for their own defensive lines. On artillery, there was some sort of mention somewhere that Ukraine is beginning to feel that they have balanced the artillery ratio with Russia, or are getting more comfortable with the ratio, so that's one good thing.
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Aug 25, 2023 21:27
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the popes toes posted:Sure, it would be foolhardy to employ them offensively, but as self-propelled artillery in defensive placements augmenting behind the trenches I'm sure they can be used effectively? Especially in numbers? Wouldn't want to crew one though. But even defensively, barrel fatigue is going to soon render them inaccurate but still able to gently caress up an infantry assault from a distance. I would imagine that's how Ukraine is using poo poo Soviet armor and they probably would want as many as they could get for their own defensive lines. Yeah, like every death bucket T-10 is very good at being self-propelled artillery supporting infantry and it takes an antitank weapon to die. Its not useless as it is impervious to small arms fire and carries a big gun, but like all other Soviet scrapyard finds, its dead when actual modern tank, or IFV with DU ammo, sees it. EDIT: If it is real or not, the above is still true and covers basically all tanks that USSR ever had after the WW2. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Aug 25, 2023 |
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Aug 25, 2023 21:32
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zone posted:
That looks like CGI to me.
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Aug 25, 2023 21:37
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How reliable would the engine and drivetrain on something that old be? I'd be worried about a modern tank showing up and then the reverse gear fails... I can't imagine some of these mothballed tanks are gonna be reliable now, especially if they were kinda questionable back in the day. I suppose it's possible to restore one to brand new condition but I think we can probably agree that's not happening lol
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Aug 25, 2023 21:38
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having lots of bad shells deployed is also good cuz that way you sort out all the bad ones
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Aug 25, 2023 21:38
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Budzilla posted:That looks like CGI to me. Sanctions are hitting Russia so hard they're living in PS3 quality conditions.
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Aug 25, 2023 21:38
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the popes toes posted:Sure, it would be foolhardy to employ them offensively, but as self-propelled artillery in defensive placements augmenting behind the trenches I'm sure they can be used effectively? Especially in numbers? Wouldn't want to crew one though. But even defensively, barrel fatigue is going to soon render them inaccurate but still able to gently caress up an infantry assault from a distance. I would imagine that's how Ukraine is using poo poo Soviet armor and they probably would want as many as they could get for their own defensive lines. It has dogshit optics so it'll get blown up by a ukrainian tank before it can ever see them. If its a western tank were talking literally over 100% effective range difference.
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Aug 25, 2023 21:39
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weg posted:How reliable would the engine and drivetrain on something that old be? I'd be worried about a modern tank showing up and then the reverse gear fails... it being questionable is really a matter of what you ask of it. a lot of the reason these older engines get deprecated is less that they are hard to maintain or make reliable and more that they can't perform at the level you need them to perform. used as self-propelled infantry support that doesn't really need to move much, especially in a defensive line situation, there's likely going to be less difference between something from 1960 and 2000 than you might think. now that said, gfl using that sort of stuff offensively. part of the point behind the counterattack is calling into serious question whether or not russia's going to be able to resume an offensive posture after the shellacking they're taking ukranian forces. and in THAT context, these old engines are not going to be reliable at all because trying to go forward at any kind of speed, for any length of time, is functionally redlining the drat thing.
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Aug 25, 2023 21:53
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Coolguye posted:it being questionable is really a matter of what you ask of it. a lot of the reason these older engines get deprecated is less that they are hard to maintain or make reliable and more that they can't perform at the level you need them to perform. used as self-propelled infantry support that doesn't really need to move much, especially in a defensive line situation, there's likely going to be less difference between something from 1960 and 2000 than you might think. I think that if these are used, they are driven into pre-made dug in positions and used there as artillery, or direct fire bunkers. They need to drive that one time from the drop-off point to their positions, or dragged if necessary, so the engine or especially drivetrain reliability isn't an issue. They basically make an extra hurdle the UAF needs to take care of when breaking the defense lines.
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Aug 25, 2023 21:58
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After we plow though the 50’s junk where do we go? Are we going to get to like WW1 era kitbash stuff? Was Russia in WW1 long enough to get to the tank parts?
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Aug 25, 2023 22:02
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:After we plow though the 50’s junk where do we go? Are we going to get to like WW1 era kitbash stuff? Was Russia in WW1 long enough to get to the tank parts? Yeah, and it was a game changer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Tank EDIT: So no, but they did have a number of pre-WW2 designs but those you can kill with basically any modern high-power rifle such as .50 cal Barrett. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Aug 25, 2023 |
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Aug 25, 2023 22:05
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looking forward to the lada technical being the new official main battle tank of the russian army
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Aug 25, 2023 22:11
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  and stay out.
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Aug 25, 2023 22:12
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Der Kyhe posted:Yeah, and it was a game changer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Tank
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Aug 25, 2023 22:13
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CannonFodder posted:I wonder how well they would do in that dugout bunker if a quadcopter with some RPG rounds goes overhead and sees a target of opportunity. Those mortar drones they have will be enough to open them up like tin cans if they see them.
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Aug 25, 2023 22:15
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:After we plow though the 50’s junk where do we go? Are we going to get to like WW1 era kitbash stuff? Was Russia in WW1 long enough to get to the tank parts?
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Aug 25, 2023 22:22
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zone posted:
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Aug 25, 2023 22:28
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mobby_6kl posted:Haven't herd of these nazis in a while, what's the story here? What "extradition" are they talking about? The Nazis are in Ukraine, while Russia is totes cool with gay and trans people and having pride parades in Moscow. Wait they WHAT??
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Aug 25, 2023 22:30
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Dick Bastardly posted:is that rust just billowing about the treads like a cloud of pigpen stank? Hey, buddy, watch your words there
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Aug 25, 2023 22:31
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Rust Martialis posted:Hey, buddy, watch your words there He’s just asking a question and looking at Rust, here
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Aug 25, 2023 22:43
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mobby_6kl posted:Haven't herd of these nazis in a while, what's the story here? What "extradition" are they talking about? One of their number got recently arrested in Finland or Sweden. They're appealing to monke to get him extradited back home after Ukraine asked for him to be sent to them instead. If monke doesn't save him, they promised to quit fighting.
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Aug 25, 2023 22:45
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Rust Martialis posted:Hey, buddy, watch your words there you've been billowing about too long, time to pay
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Aug 25, 2023 22:46
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Budzilla posted:That looks like CGI to me. It's a screenshot from a video of it backing off the trailer. I am fairly sure I saw this exact video many years ago and this tank was being unloaded at a museum that was going to be restoring it for display. I could be mistaken and it was another IS series tank. While I guess it's possible that they would scrounge up some of these and try to deploy them in Ukraine, I have my doubts if for no other reason than they changed the main gun caliber when the T-54 was introduced so there probably isn't a whole lot of 122mm ammunition laying around to use in these things.
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Aug 25, 2023 22:48
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Should do a  on when we’ll see multiple instances of Hilux’s with rocket pods.
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Aug 25, 2023 23:03
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I doubt the T-10 is real. I'm pretty sure they'd dig up T-55s and more T-62s before we saw one of those on the frontline. But if it was real? No, it wouldn't be useful in any role. Modern FCS/rangefinders/optics are to tank cannons as the stirrup was to cavalry. A highly trained crew can work those pre-70s systems to get 1km hits pretty reliably, but not conscripts, even in (and especially as) an indirect fire role. As for engine/powertrain, also no. Heavy tanks and the heavier Medium/MBTs of the post-WW2 era had drive/power train issues and were expected to get pretty hefty refits on an operational basis. The IS-2 was the only tank in that series that didn't have some severe mechanical problems.
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Aug 25, 2023 23:09
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zone posted:One of their number got recently arrested in Finland or Sweden. They're appealing to monke to get him extradited back home after Ukraine asked for him to be sent to them instead. If monke doesn't save him, they promised to quit fighting. Wow, this gives Finland all the incentives to acquiesce and send him to Russia!
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Aug 25, 2023 23:19
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:After we plow though the 50’s junk where do we go? Are we going to get to like WW1 era kitbash stuff? Was Russia in WW1 long enough to get to the tank parts? Russian tank crew training material, circa early 2024 CE (colourised)...
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Aug 25, 2023 23:23
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Prig getting cold feet while barreling down on Moscow is still the most unrealistic part of this novel. It just makes no sense, who would do that? When success is almost in your hands you make a deal and just trust them? It gets even worse as they just kill him at the end of the next chapter, like wouldn't he at least be afraid for his life traveling in Russia? I know they haven't actually said it was Putin who ordered it, but come on, who else would it be. 2/5 plot and whoever is ghostwriting this for Clancy should move on.
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Aug 25, 2023 23:33
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Bondematt posted:Prig getting cold feet while barreling down on Moscow is still the most unrealistic part of this novel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwieiakHiaM&t=13s
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Aug 25, 2023 23:53
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Bondematt posted:Prig getting cold feet while barreling down on Moscow is still the most unrealistic part of this novel.
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Aug 26, 2023 00:03
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Budzilla posted:That looks like CGI to me. This looks like a screenshot from world of tanks.
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Aug 26, 2023 00:15
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The Locator posted:
picturing some Russian soldiers being sent to a long abandoned storage facility with a metal detector to try and find ammo for them.
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Aug 26, 2023 00:18
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Budzilla posted:That looks like CGI to me. The clip in question https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1694904449649844474?s=20
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