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So it looks like the big holdouts are Netflix and Disney. Amazon and Apple probably feel the same way because they’re tech, but they have so much other revenue streams they probably don’t care either way. The remaining studios associated with AMPTP probably have way more to lose than Netflix and Disney. If I were WGA/SAG I’d try to score interim agreements with them. The AMPTP is trying to get infighting to happen on WGA/SAG side, so they may as well try the same.
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I know for sure it was reported that Netflix were big holdouts, at least when it came to SAG. Like the AMPTP's entire purpose seems to be to prevent studios from striking separate deals. Does it do anything when the guilds aren't negotiating?
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Maxwell Lord posted:I know for sure it was reported that Netflix were big holdouts, at least when it came to SAG. If I recall correctly the last WGA strike ended when studios broke away to do interim deals and they all fell like dominoes not long after.
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https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1694755160650629459 I didn't know he was also good at delivering speeches.
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fart blood posted:I’m starting to think the people that run the studios are incredibly stupid. Funny you should say that... quote:In a 2017 interview, Zaslav told a story of staying at the office late one night to wait for a call from Malone. When Bob Wright arrived the next morning and found him still there, Zaslav explained why he hadn’t left his post: “You said I should wait for John Malone to call, so I did.” Wright, he said, “got Jack [Welch] on the phone and goes, ‘This guy stayed all night. Can you believe this guy?’ Years later, Bob said to me, ‘That was it. We said, you’re our guy.’ ”
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Aug 24, 2023 23:09
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Was this story at least in an era before cell phones because it's stupid either way but double lol if not
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Aug 24, 2023 23:34
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Khanstant posted:Was this story at least in an era before cell phones because it's stupid either way but double lol if not Sounds like it was late Eighties/early Nineties, so you'd think they'd have cell phones, but I guess not for important business?
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The idea that they can’t get proper residuals for streaming now seems insane because I swear I remember in 2008 that was a sticking point that the wga caved in because streaming was so new and was worth nothing - at the time. I remember South Park guys making fun of them for blocking a deal over such small potatoes. Fast forward to now and streaming ate the world and this was SUPPOSED to be the true-up contract, where we saw how streaming shook out and paid out accordingly. The optics on this are clear enough that most Americans are on board and the fact that despite that the studios still won’t deal, because they both want to crush unions and also desperately, howlingly need the stock price to go up (oh, and streaming may be a scam!), is a leading indicator of how the us is near crumbling. I don’t want to get too doomy, but between climate change surging and the almighty stock market forcing exponential gains, something has to break. The copper is almost completely ripped out of the walls at this point. edit: like they just got movies back on track after a pandemic and now they’re blowing up the pipeline? Something is seriously wrong here and they may have finally untethered enough from the rest of us that they can’t even see it.
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Enderzero posted:The idea that they can’t get proper residuals for streaming now seems insane because I swear I remember in 2008 that was a sticking point that the wga caved in because streaming was so new and was worth nothing - at the time. I remember South Park guys making fun of them for blocking a deal over such small potatoes. The studios — Netflix especially — are terrified of streaming numbers becoming public. They’ll proudly tout big numbers if it’s a gigantic smash hit like Wednesday, Squid Game, or Stranger Things, but beyond that they won’t. There’s only two possible reasons: 1) so many people are watching streaming that they’ll go broke paying actors residuals, and no-name actors become millionaires almost overnight, or 2) nobody is watching this poo poo and it’s all a house of cards, and investors are going to be extremely unhappy that they invested all this time and money to produce content no one is watching, and they bail. It’s fun guessing which.
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It's probably both in different piles plus a lot of them making bizarre choices regardless of the data involved.
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I'm going to guess it's just weird, like the Cocomelon/Blippi crew is about to be Bezos rich because of kids parked in front of streaming.
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Enderzero posted:I don’t want to get too doomy, but between climate change surging and the almighty stock market forcing exponential gains, something has to break. The copper is almost completely ripped out of the walls at this point. We've been through worse and have come back from it. But then again, past performance is no guarantee of future success. Everyone predicts that the world will end and it never does. But empires - empires do fall.
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Aug 25, 2023 01:23
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If there was no money from streaming, wouldn't they be crying about that since day one?
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Cheesus posted:If there was no money from streaming, wouldn't they be crying about that since day one? No, because the way you get rich is stock market pumping. The problem is that the stock market is predicated on exponential growth - not even big exponential! If you make x^1.01 the stock market will love you. But the second you drop below that, even if you’re still growing at 2% or whatever, you’re not worth investing in. So I suspect growing via debt Netflix WAS profitable, but the second they say that they are mature and growth will be slow and hard won, the stock will crater and then, only then, does streaming become unprofitable. And this strike is their attempt to remain in the first regime, and not get diverted to the second.
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Enderzero posted:
Most Americans have insanely short memories. The strikes matter now, because nothing else has grabbed national attention. With the first RNC debate last night, and the primaries coming, I'd expect the average attention to change. The billionaires who control the media will be cramming the election down our throats. The biggest issue that Americans on both sides of the aisle agree on the most is that China is a threat, so both sides will be pushing that in the coming months. I know nobody that is specifically impacted by this labor dispute personally, though I always side with labor. My point is not to dishearten anyone, or encourage y'all to take a lovely deal. I'm just giving my opinion on how much focus the strike is likely to keep receiving going forward. Push hard, and make lots of noise. Social media is still effective at spreading an even and honest message. But the upcoming election has the potential to completely dominate the news cycle.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Like the AMPTP's entire purpose seems to be to prevent studios from striking separate deals. Does it do anything when the guilds aren't negotiating? The Hollywood union contracts are staggered, so there’s almost always a negotiation to prepare for or finalize. DGA/SAG/WGA negotiate this year, I believe IATSE and Teamsters are next year. There’s also Animation Guild, and LIUNA (laborers union) has a small Hollywood local that has to get in there too at some point. There’s enough work to keep some lawyers and negotiators busy throughout the contract cycles. But yeah it’s a peculiar enterprise because its members are competitors who only come together with the collective goal of loving over their employees. G-Spot Run posted:I'm going to guess it's just weird, like the Cocomelon/Blippi crew is about to be Bezos rich because of kids parked in front of streaming. Unfortunately most childrens’ animation is covered by The Animation Guild, not WGA, and the writers are paid way less and get pretty much zero residuals. But they will definitely be paying attention to how the WGA contract shapes up on the residuals side so they can hopefully get some leverage for their own negotiation. Bizarrely, it’s the studios who get to decide whether or not an animated show is covered by WGA or TAG. On the SAG-AFTRA side, the SAG contract that covers animation is separate from the TV/film theatrical contract, so I don’t know if the VO residuals schedule will be affected by the current negotiations. Having done a tiny bit of voice acting myself, I assure you the streaming residuals for animation are just as terrible as the live-action residuals.
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Maxwell Lord posted:I know for sure it was reported that Netflix were big holdouts, at least when it came to SAG. That is literally their reason for existing. As I understand it the strikes in the 60s were a nightmare for the studios because the unions were able to negotiate with them individually and chip away, so the AMPTP was formed to prevent that from happening again.
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In 2024 all movies come from A24…coincidence???
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fart blood posted:The studios — Netflix especially — are terrified of streaming numbers becoming public. They’ll proudly tout big numbers if it’s a gigantic smash hit like Wednesday, Squid Game, or Stranger Things, but beyond that they won’t. There’s only two possible reasons: I mean. - there are only so many hours in a day. 20 years ago we had network and cable and premium but still a minuscule amount of decent programming. Now we have so much content out there - I’ve got such a backlog.
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Oh noes, did the big bad WGA huwt poor Bob's feewings?
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This will all be fixed with the new one world government, fair rights for everyone
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Gaz-L posted:That is literally their reason for existing. As I understand it the strikes in the 60s were a nightmare for the studios because the unions were able to negotiate with them individually and chip away, so the AMPTP was formed to prevent that from happening again. Studios: Hmmm, apart we're weaker but together we're stronger? Let's unite together so together we are united and can present a united front that makes us strong through our united status. Then we can defeat the evil that is a Union forever!
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Remember the idea that Bob Iger coming back would be an improvement? Good times. (This was, admittedly, a view held primarily by Disney Park Habitués - like the ones who go every day - who felt his predecessor neglected them or something.)
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I mean Iger was never praised for being good to labor. He was just more competent than Bob Chapek who seemed to have no idea what he was doing.
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Dawgstar posted:Remember the idea that Bob Iger coming back would be an improvement? Good times. Iger, much like most famous CEOs, benefitted from multiple strokes of luck and left before all the rot started to become noticeable.
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I started reading DisneyWar after an earlier discussion and that does ring true: Did you know Eisner and Katzenberg wanted to shut down the animation studio?
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Dawgstar posted:(This was, admittedly, a view held primarily by Disney Park Habitués - like the ones who go every day - who felt his predecessor neglected them or something.) Chapek really did make the parks worse and charged considerably more for services at every level so it's a valid criticism, Iger just sucks in a lot of different ways.
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“Good as a human being” is not necessarily the same as “good as a CEO of a billion-dollar company”, yes.
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Enderzero posted:The idea that they can’t get proper residuals for streaming now seems insane because I swear I remember in 2008 that was a sticking point that the wga caved in because streaming was so new and was worth nothing - at the time. I remember South Park guys making fun of them for blocking a deal over such small potatoes. For what it's worth though, South Park made fun of WGA wanting streaming residuals... after Matt & Trey (mostly Matt) had negotiated their own contract which included digital streaming. Arguably a lot of their ongoing success is from holding out for that... They get 50% of all ad revenue & syndication from South Park.
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Dawgstar posted:Remember the idea that Bob Iger coming back would be an improvement? Good times. That kind of Disney fan is exactly the kind of person Disney would've wanted for his company town
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FlamingLiberal posted:I mean Iger was never praised for being good to labor. He was just more competent than Bob Chapek who seemed to have no idea what he was doing. Scarlett Johansson sure liked Iger better!
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Dawgstar posted:Remember the idea that Bob Iger coming back would be an improvement? Good times. To be fair Bob Chapek was openly starting to court chuds and was no friendlier to labor
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Crackbone posted:Iger, much like most famous CEOs, benefitted from multiple strokes of luck and left before all the rot started to become noticeable. That really is the story of all CEOs, the company I work has gone through 3 CEO since the start of pandemic and the guy we currently have is basically having the company deal with all the tech debt in our software the two preview guys ran up.
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:For what it's worth though, South Park made fun of WGA wanting streaming residuals... after Matt & Trey (mostly Matt) had negotiated their own contract which included digital streaming. Arguably a lot of their ongoing success is from holding out for that... They get 50% of all ad revenue & syndication from South Park. What pieces of poo poo.
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So. I have a question. Did Zack Snyder get a pass or something to advertise Rebel Moon? I'm surprised there's been no visible blowback for that. He's part of the WGA right? He's not just the director, he's a writer on it too. He was in Germany at gamescom advertising it and has been interviewed in several articles written about it in the past few days due to the new trailer.
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MagusDraco posted:So. I have a question. Did Zack Snyder get a pass or something to advertise Rebel Moon? I'm surprised there's been no visible blowback for that. He's part of the WGA right? He's not just the director, he's a writer on it too. The DGA has a contract, and that contract states that DGA members are not allowed to assist any strike against the employer. This isn't unique to the DGA, all the guilds have that clause in their contract, it just happens that the DGA's clause is relevant right now. Publicity is part of Snyder's duties as a director, so studios can ask him to do it regardless of the "writer" side of him being on strike. (He still isn't allowed to perform duties as a writer, though there are some grey areas that the DGA considers directorial and the WGA considers writing.) He also has the right to refuse to cross a picket line if there's one present. quote:17-101 No Strike, No Lockout Provisions Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Aug 26, 2023 |
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:For what it's worth though, South Park made fun of WGA wanting streaming residuals... after Matt & Trey (mostly Matt) had negotiated their own contract which included digital streaming. Arguably a lot of their ongoing success is from holding out for that... They get 50% of all ad revenue & syndication from South Park. Yep, that was the real twist of the knife.
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