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WrasslorMonkey
Mar 5, 2012

pillsburysoldier posted:

What happened to snoo

Died, badly.

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Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
snoo did the move of being able to dish it out but not take it, doomed to destruction

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

RealityWarCriminal posted:

hope Snoo is still reasonably okay

Soap Scum
Aug 8, 2003



also rubby ??

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


OK, we probably need to talk about Smart Air aka Smarter Hepa. I bought one of their (very expensive) large air purifiers really early on and have about two years continuous use on it. At first, I thought it was great: a simple design, nothing to go wrong, absolutely colossal filter area, and quiet. I recommended it in a prior iteration of the thread. Here's what's happened since then:

1. The fan unit developed an incredibly irritating rattle that I haven't been able to fix.
2. The power supply developed an incredibly irritating humming noise that I don't think can be fixed.
3. The simple design is actually incredibly fragile since if you slightly dent or bend any part of it, it loses the seal with the filter box and you start leaking air out from around the filter before it actually goes through the filter. There are several detectable pinhole leaks in mine now. It's still filtering a lot of air but I have no idea how bad those leaks are to the performance and I know it's going to get a little worse every time it gets bumped, moved, or jolted (including when changing the filter).

I'm planning to replace mine with a Levoit or Coway when the current filter is clogged up.

tldr I wouldn't buy anything from this brand at this point, there are other better options

StratGoatCom posted:

https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/covid-19

Figure it may be worth seeing if we could help here?

Looks like their current campaign is directly related to the HICPAC clusterfuck with respiratory infection control standards: https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/sites/default/files/nnu/documents/0723_BC_Letter_CDC_HICPAC.pdf

Hellequin
Feb 26, 2008

You Scream! You open your TORN, ROTTED, DECOMPOSED MOUTH AND SCREAM!
Thank you to everyone, it is much appreciated.

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


The kind of post we live for :kimchi:

Hellequin
Feb 26, 2008

You Scream! You open your TORN, ROTTED, DECOMPOSED MOUTH AND SCREAM!
Also goddamnit, the QT3 is sold out in Canada.

Soap Scum
Aug 8, 2003



bedpan posted:

expanded my paxlovid hoard today. went to the pharmacy and said I was the paxlovid inspector and walked away with 50 boxes

my hero

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Roommate is "schrodinger's sick" :frogbon:

Soap Scum
Aug 8, 2003



Shiroc posted:

I just saw posters for a Janelle Monáe show next week and now need to decide how much I trust my respirator.

wear respirator. go to show. hopefully this post isn't too late D:

pillsburysoldier
Feb 11, 2008

Yo, peep that shit

Bray Wyatt died from heart complications from covid

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

pillsburysoldier posted:

Bray Wyatt died from heart complications from covid

it's true

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

thanks driftingmouse

Bastard Tetris
Apr 27, 2005

L-Shaped


Nap Ghost

Homeless Friend posted:

We're hiring! gently caress You. always makes me lol

it’s so goddamn good, one of my favorite images of the era next to the “how tf am I an essential worker” mascot pic

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Soap Scum posted:

also rubby ??

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zkURv6wlOk

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Would this be an okay place to ask about the efforts to deprofessionalize nursing and the culture/culture war aspects of that?

I was reading a book for work about uniformed professional identities and I had no idea how important the nurse's cap and uniform were to the women wearing them. If you go on reddit you would think nurses themselves pushed for this because they wanted to be comfy and wear floral scrubs and CROCS instead of while leather shoes and a recognizable uniform, and I think culturally that's been reinforced (insert comment here about atomization and lack of group identity over individual comfort), but in the nursing journals I skimmed, these changes were all top-down in the 1980's and came from hospital administrators.

I don't know where to begin asking about this but I do know a lot of people in healthcare post in this thread.

I'm also curious why, on the culture war side, there were really fierce arguments in the nursing journals about how the nurses' uniform was seen as a source of pride by some women but considered oppressive because it was gendered by others. The dynamic about this that I don't get is that it greatly helped deprofessionalize nursing, because yes, it was considered a "women's" profession, but an incredibly respected one. By giving the hospital administrators what they wanted, I almost feel like the social standing of nursing has fallen dramatically, the work they've been expected to take on increase.

In countries where nurses are still uniformed, like Japan, the profession has been able to maintain its standards, select from the best applicants and maintain social prestige and salaries, as well as maintaining a strong place within the hospital hierarchy. I don't know which is the chicken and which is the egg though, which is why I'm putting it to this thread. The nurses on r/nursing threads about dress and deportment make it clear imo that some of them they would be proud to starch and bleach caps and wear clean shoes - if they were paid more and had time during the day. I think that's important too and ties into the professional aspect of it.

The last bit I want to ask about was nursing school. Apparently it was a very rigorous, ritualized apprenticeship before, with important symbols like a nursing pin or medal (?) as well as the cap. America then led the way to this being replaced by university and community college. Additionally, and while again some people on r/nursing said it was boring and pointless, the professional, group identity part of nursing school has been greatly reduced in favour of practical education in routine medical tasks. No one will say that's not relevant too, but it seems like hospital administrators trying to pass the cost of OJT onto someone else while at the same time eroding that strong professional pride an identity.

in 2020, it seemed like nursing had the most public visibility since the Nursing Movement and World Wars. It's just made me realize how much the profession has disappeared from sight, and I wonder if the cap is at least a part of that?

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

this seems like the wrong thread for that, somewhere in TGD or ask/tell or some poo poo is probably more likely to get useful responses

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

TGD?

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

the goon doctor

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Frosted Flake posted:

Would this be an okay place to ask about the efforts to deprofessionalize nursing and the culture/culture war aspects of that?

I was reading a book for work about uniformed professional identities and I had no idea how important the nurse's cap and uniform were to the women wearing them. If you go on reddit you would think nurses themselves pushed for this because they wanted to be comfy and wear floral scrubs and CROCS instead of while leather shoes and a recognizable uniform, and I think culturally that's been reinforced (insert comment here about atomization and lack of group identity over individual comfort), but in the nursing journals I skimmed, these changes were all top-down in the 1980's and came from hospital administrators.

I don't know where to begin asking about this but I do know a lot of people in healthcare post in this thread.

I'm also curious why, on the culture war side, there were really fierce arguments in the nursing journals about how the nurses' uniform was seen as a source of pride by some women but considered oppressive because it was gendered by others. The dynamic about this that I don't get is that it greatly helped deprofessionalize nursing, because yes, it was considered a "women's" profession, but an incredibly respected one. By giving the hospital administrators what they wanted, I almost feel like the social standing of nursing has fallen dramatically, the work they've been expected to take on increase.

In countries where nurses are still uniformed, like Japan, the profession has been able to maintain its standards, select from the best applicants and maintain social prestige and salaries, as well as maintaining a strong place within the hospital hierarchy. I don't know which is the chicken and which is the egg though, which is why I'm putting it to this thread. The nurses on r/nursing threads about dress and deportment make it clear imo that some of them they would be proud to starch and bleach caps and wear clean shoes - if they were paid more and had time during the day. I think that's important too and ties into the professional aspect of it.

The last bit I want to ask about was nursing school. Apparently it was a very rigorous, ritualized apprenticeship before, with important symbols like a nursing pin or medal (?) as well as the cap. America then led the way to this being replaced by university and community college. Additionally, and while again some people on r/nursing said it was boring and pointless, the professional, group identity part of nursing school has been greatly reduced in favour of practical education in routine medical tasks. No one will say that's not relevant too, but it seems like hospital administrators trying to pass the cost of OJT onto someone else while at the same time eroding that strong professional pride an identity.

in 2020, it seemed like nursing had the most public visibility since the Nursing Movement and World Wars. It's just made me realize how much the profession has disappeared from sight, and I wonder if the cap is at least a part of that?

what was the book? i just ordered a copy of The Sickness is the System: When Capitalism Fails to Save Us from Pandemics or Itself that i'm eager to dig into

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Lib and let die posted:

what was the book? i just ordered a copy of The Sickness is the System: When Capitalism Fails to Save Us from Pandemics or Itself that i'm eager to dig into

McPherson, Kathryn. Bedside Matters: The Transformation of Canadian Nursing, 1900-1990

but I saw a suggested reading list of:

Canada's Nursing Sisters.

Ewing, Elizabeth. Women in Uniform Through the Centuries.

Kalisch, Philip A. and Beatrice J Kalisch. The Changing Image of the Nurse.

MacFarlane, Ellen M. "Nurses' Caps and Uniforms: In Vogue or Obsolete?" Registered Nurses' Association of Nova Scotia, Nurse to Nurse (July 1990),

MacFarlane, Ellen M. "The Professional Nurse: With or Without a Uniform" Canadian Journal of Nursing Administration (Sept/Oct 1990),

Muff, Janet, ed. "Of Images and Ideals: A Look at Socialization and Sexism in Nursing" in A.H. Jones, ed., Images of Nurses

Poplin, Irene Schuessler. "Nursing Uniforms: Romantic Idea, Functional Attire, or Instrument of Social Change?" Nursing History Review, 2 (1994)

Steele, Valerie. "Men and Women in White" in Claudia Brush Kidwell and Valerie Steele, eds., Men and Women: Dressing the Part

Szasz, Shermalayne Southard. "The Tyranny of Uniforms" in Janet Muff, ed., Socialization, Sexism and Stereotyping: Women's Issues in Nursing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9IDvjaYGKwA

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

Lib and let die posted:

what was the book? i just ordered a copy of The Sickness is the System: When Capitalism Fails to Save Us from Pandemics or Itself that i'm eager to dig into

really curious how The Sickness goes. as a collection of like 50 essays on the same topic by the same person over only like 3 years, I wonder how his analysis changed and didn't change over that short period

Strep Vote
May 5, 2004

أنا أحب حليب الشوكولاتة
Capital is actively degrading all of the medical field from health specialists and support into "health service providers" and loving up nursing was the first big battle.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

fosborb posted:

really curious how The Sickness goes. as a collection of like 50 essays on the same topic by the same person over only like 3 years, I wonder how his analysis changed and didn't change over that short period

Wolff is usually pretty damning in his criticisms, I'm not sure how much of the book is attributed to him but I'm preparing for a very, very depressing read

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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Frosted Flake posted:

Would this be an okay place to ask about the efforts to deprofessionalize nursing and the culture/culture war aspects of that?

I was reading a book for work about uniformed professional identities and I had no idea how important the nurse's cap and uniform were to the women wearing them. If you go on reddit you would think nurses themselves pushed for this because they wanted to be comfy and wear floral scrubs and CROCS instead of while leather shoes and a recognizable uniform, and I think culturally that's been reinforced (insert comment here about atomization and lack of group identity over individual comfort), but in the nursing journals I skimmed, these changes were all top-down in the 1980's and came from hospital administrators.

I don't know where to begin asking about this but I do know a lot of people in healthcare post in this thread.

I'm also curious why, on the culture war side, there were really fierce arguments in the nursing journals about how the nurses' uniform was seen as a source of pride by some women but considered oppressive because it was gendered by others. The dynamic about this that I don't get is that it greatly helped deprofessionalize nursing, because yes, it was considered a "women's" profession, but an incredibly respected one. By giving the hospital administrators what they wanted, I almost feel like the social standing of nursing has fallen dramatically, the work they've been expected to take on increase.

In countries where nurses are still uniformed, like Japan, the profession has been able to maintain its standards, select from the best applicants and maintain social prestige and salaries, as well as maintaining a strong place within the hospital hierarchy. I don't know which is the chicken and which is the egg though, which is why I'm putting it to this thread. The nurses on r/nursing threads about dress and deportment make it clear imo that some of them they would be proud to starch and bleach caps and wear clean shoes - if they were paid more and had time during the day. I think that's important too and ties into the professional aspect of it.

The last bit I want to ask about was nursing school. Apparently it was a very rigorous, ritualized apprenticeship before, with important symbols like a nursing pin or medal (?) as well as the cap. America then led the way to this being replaced by university and community college. Additionally, and while again some people on r/nursing said it was boring and pointless, the professional, group identity part of nursing school has been greatly reduced in favour of practical education in routine medical tasks. No one will say that's not relevant too, but it seems like hospital administrators trying to pass the cost of OJT onto someone else while at the same time eroding that strong professional pride an identity.

in 2020, it seemed like nursing had the most public visibility since the Nursing Movement and World Wars. It's just made me realize how much the profession has disappeared from sight, and I wonder if the cap is at least a part of that?
perfect place.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Was there a German writer who wrote about skilled, respected. professional work, with a body overseeing intensive training, creating workers with high salaries, organization, group identity and social cache being broken down in many simple jobs with none of those things?

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme

Frosted Flake posted:

Was there a German writer who wrote about skilled, respected. professional work, with a body overseeing intensive training, creating workers with high salaries, organization, group identity and social cache being broken down in many simple jobs with none of those things?
:thunk:

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



I think Kafka was Bohemian.

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Strep Vote posted:

Capital is actively degrading all of the medical field from health specialists and support into "health service providers" and loving up nursing was the first big battle.

Capital is actively degrading everything, with the only push back being when the degradation kills enough people in public enough fashion that it can't be papered over. See: Boeing. People dying in hospitals is normal and accepted, so no serious push back can be expected.

Strep Vote
May 5, 2004

أنا أحب حليب الشوكولاتة
No argument here.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Complications posted:

People dying in hospitals is normal and accepted, so no serious push back can be expected.

Kind of undermines the whole Lady With the Lamp ethos though eh? Which is why I suppose hospital administrators have MBAs now and aren't doctors and nurses.

Soap Scum
Aug 8, 2003



some random covid stories from my posting vacation

a maybe 30yo dude I was playing some outdoor sports against had a wrist brace on which I assumed was for carpal tunnel, but later when we talked about it he was like, "no the doctors aren't sure exactly what it is but my whole hand is paralyzed. I don't want to sound paranoid but it happened a week after I got covid so I think it's that" and I was of course like "no that's not paranoid you're probably right and that sucks" (last I knew he's regained a minor amount of movement but still largely paralyzed)

also a friend's younger sister got asymmetric high tone hearing loss in one of her ears immediately following the second of two COVID infections in an eight week period. she's 25.

aside from continually finding new long COVID horrors, it continues to knock friends/family/coworkers/acquaintances on their rear end for a week or two in the acute phase, especially if they don't go for pax.

on the plus side, rapid tests and pax seem to still be generally highly effective when used correctly from everything I can tell so ... a win is a win

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Frosted Flake posted:

Kind of undermines the whole Lady With the Lamp ethos though eh? Which is why I suppose hospital administrators have MBAs now and aren't doctors and nurses.

Don't forget about MHAs

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

The Oldest Man posted:

Don't forget about MHAs

It's just crazy to me how short the period of time has been from Florence Nightingale developing statical methods of Public Health during a Cholera epidemic in India and developing the modern Nursing Movement to both of those ideas being destroyed.

We now educate people to ignore what their field stands for, I mean, doesn't that seem a little crazy? But hospital administrators are very well paid and I guess that's enough, the same as university administrators active working to destroy higher education.

DominoKitten
Aug 7, 2012

Evidence of leaky protection following COVID-19 vaccination and SARS-CoV-2 infection in an incarcerated population, Nature Communications, Open Access Published 19 August 2023

As summarized on Twitter by Prof. Akiko Iwasaki (Sterling Professor of Immunobiology and Molecular, Cellular, and Developmental Biology at Yale University, and an Investigator of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute):

https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1695731828206833769 posted:

A short 🧵on a recent study by @MaggieLind2 with @MHitchingsEpi @datcummings Albert Ko et al. Data show that immunity induced by vaccines, prior infection or both (hybrid) protects against SARS-CoV-2 infection when viral exposure is low to moderate (1/)

Question being asked: What is the risk of becoming *infected* with SARS-CoV-2 after developing immunity following a vaccine, prior infection, or both if exposure to the virus is very high, moderate, or low? They did not study the severity of symptoms. (2/)

How? The authors used the existing database of the Connecticut Department of Correction, where infection data based on high frequency of testing for SARS-CoV-2 on ~9300 residents across 13 facilities were available. (3/)

What did they find? Prior infection, vaccination, or both provided significant protection against infection when the exposure was moderate (index case was within their cellblock) or low (no exposure was documented in cellblock co-residents) against Delta or Omicron. (4/)



However, when the viral exposure was intense (with infected cellmate - exposure is 24/7), none of these groups had enough immunity to protect against infection with Delta or Omicron virus. (5/)

These findings suggest that protection conferred by prior infection and vaccination is dependent on the cumulative viral exposure dose. An important question for the future is to determine how much the viral load vs. duration of exposure plays a key role. (6/)

If the protection is indeed dose-dependent, coupling non-pharmaceutical interventions with vaccination would be beneficial because the non-pharmaceutical intervention (masking, ventilation, etc..) reduces viral exposure, resulting in improved levels of conferred protection. (7/)

More broadly, this study answers a fundamental question on the nature of immunity. While the field speculated that immune protection against infection is exposure dose-dependent, data in support were limited. Now this study directly demonstrated this for COVID. (8/)

Their findings suggest the “need for layered interventions to mitigate SARS-CoV-2 spread, especially within dense settings, such as congregate settings, and in settings where prolonged contact is likely, such as households with infected people.” An important message to end 🧵

Feels exploitative to incarcerated people to research like this instead of making things safer for them, but does allow for tracking in a way you can't in more humane conditions.

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Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry

DominoKitten posted:


Feels exploitative to incarcerated people to research like this instead of making things safer for them, but does allow for tracking in a way you can't in more humane conditions.

yeah, it's awful. Obviously the treatment of incarcerated people is a loving nightmare in this country.

Not that I'm against adding to the canon of covid related literature, but... I can't imagine it's actually controversial to say that "riskier situations result in more infections".

at least this is another blow to anyone who would suggest that "current" vaccines are adequate, especially during Omicron. Holy poo poo that ratio sucks rear end haha

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

DominoKitten posted:

Evidence of leaky protection following COVID-19 vaccination and SARS-CoV-2 infection in an incarcerated population, Nature Communications, Open Access Published 19 August 2023

As summarized on Twitter by Prof. Akiko Iwasaki (Sterling Professor of Immunobiology and Molecular, Cellular, and Developmental Biology at Yale University, and an Investigator of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute):

Feels exploitative to incarcerated people to research like this instead of making things safer for them, but does allow for tracking in a way you can't in more humane conditions.

the maladies of empire continue.

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Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Frosted Flake posted:

Would this be an okay place to ask about the efforts to deprofessionalize nursing and the culture/culture war aspects of that?

I was reading a book for work about uniformed professional identities and I had no idea how important the nurse's cap and uniform were to the women wearing them. If you go on reddit you would think nurses themselves pushed for this because they wanted to be comfy and wear floral scrubs and CROCS instead of while leather shoes and a recognizable uniform, and I think culturally that's been reinforced (insert comment here about atomization and lack of group identity over individual comfort), but in the nursing journals I skimmed, these changes were all top-down in the 1980's and came from hospital administrators.

I don't know where to begin asking about this but I do know a lot of people in healthcare post in this thread.

I'm also curious why, on the culture war side, there were really fierce arguments in the nursing journals about how the nurses' uniform was seen as a source of pride by some women but considered oppressive because it was gendered by others. The dynamic about this that I don't get is that it greatly helped deprofessionalize nursing, because yes, it was considered a "women's" profession, but an incredibly respected one. By giving the hospital administrators what they wanted, I almost feel like the social standing of nursing has fallen dramatically, the work they've been expected to take on increase.

In countries where nurses are still uniformed, like Japan, the profession has been able to maintain its standards, select from the best applicants and maintain social prestige and salaries, as well as maintaining a strong place within the hospital hierarchy. I don't know which is the chicken and which is the egg though, which is why I'm putting it to this thread. The nurses on r/nursing threads about dress and deportment make it clear imo that some of them they would be proud to starch and bleach caps and wear clean shoes - if they were paid more and had time during the day. I think that's important too and ties into the professional aspect of it.

The last bit I want to ask about was nursing school. Apparently it was a very rigorous, ritualized apprenticeship before, with important symbols like a nursing pin or medal (?) as well as the cap. America then led the way to this being replaced by university and community college. Additionally, and while again some people on r/nursing said it was boring and pointless, the professional, group identity part of nursing school has been greatly reduced in favour of practical education in routine medical tasks. No one will say that's not relevant too, but it seems like hospital administrators trying to pass the cost of OJT onto someone else while at the same time eroding that strong professional pride an identity.

in 2020, it seemed like nursing had the most public visibility since the Nursing Movement and World Wars. It's just made me realize how much the profession has disappeared from sight, and I wonder if the cap is at least a part of that?

I think this is a great place for this and thought this was quite interesting. I'll likely have to think a little more before I have real thoughts. I do think the part about "if they were paid more" is a valuable part of this: prestige of professions in the US is largely just a function of pay. The more paid the more prestige, the more dignity, the more benefits.

Complications posted:

Capital is actively degrading everything, with the only push back being when the degradation kills enough people in public enough fashion that it can't be papered over. See: Boeing. People dying in hospitals is normal and accepted, so no serious push back can be expected.

I wouldn't say everything. Its not degrading police powers or landlords. That is also bad though.

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